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25 April 2007 @ 11:16 am
Heroes 1.19 0.07%  
Oh, I'd forgotten how much fun this show is!

The strength of Heroes lies in the plotting. The plotting and the gloriously shiny comic-book cinematography. The script isn't the strong point, and this means pivotal character moments can be a bit hit or miss. Sometimes the overall impact of the 'twist' and the imagery is enough to carry the viewer through the scene... but listen too closely to the dialogue and it can fall a little flat. This episode had, for me, a few of those 'oops, we dropped the beat' moments, but so many great new twists that I can easily forgive it. After all, how can I complain about an episode that had no Simone but gallons of Nathan eye-candy and angst? ;-)

So abilities are hereditary, but not the same abilities. Interesting. I loved the reveal that Lindermann himself has a power--and what power! He's moulded into this universe wonderfully--even if we've only just got to see him at episode 18. I also liked the little meta commentary on HRM not knowing who runs his company. That worked well for the viewer who's one jump ahead of the characters on this one.

The Nathan-Lindermann scene was entirely made of win. I love the premise of a generation of 'heroes' who have already gone through this journey, and who have 'wised up' (aka become jaded and cynical). It's putting Nathan in a more sympathetic position, since he gets to call Lindermann a 'lousy humanitarian' and be shocked about Lindermann's (completely callous) willingness to nuke New York. (I have to admit that I was very amused by Lindermann's 'meh, we're overpopulated anyway' argument, especially since he clearly feels that large swathes of the population of one of the most influential capitals in the world are dispensible... teh evol!) Nathan's capable of being pretty ruthless in his own right, but set him against megalomania on this scale and it seems like a surefire way to set him on the path to heroism...

And then there's the family connection. So Mama Petrelli has powers too! Whoo! I like the reveal of her as puppet-master, especially because I think Nathan thinks he has his mother's measure--she's cold and shows steely determination to keep the family's public image intact, but this hides a deep love and loyalty for her family. How will he take the news that she's been manipulating his life on a far deeper level? Very interesting!

Still loving HRM. He even got Matt and nuclear!dude to be proactive--whoo! that takes talent! And our favourite neighbourhood psychopath (in Sylar) was totally on form as well. I particularly enjoyed his encounter with Peter. :-) His encounter with Isaac was overshadowed by Isaac's prattling... which I liked in theory but not in execution. (Oh dear, dialogue of clunk!) On the theory level, I can definitely get behind Isaac embracing his role as a sacrificial one--his has been a very masochistic power from the outset. He's wrestled with how 'powerless' it makes him (he can paint but not shape the future), and he's been drawn back to abusing heroin, despite his determination to be a hero. If his life serves a positive purpose--especially if it's linked to that of Hiro and Ando, who he bonded with, then he's willing to sacrifice himself. Very interesting take on heroism--especially with Peter set to go nuclear and Lindermann arguing that this 'sacrifice' may serve the greater good. (I also thought Isaac's courier fanboy was adorable and I loved the maze-like quality of the timeline.)

Jessica > Nikki. It was refreshing not to have to put up with Nikki's snivelling, though I found it annoying that Micah apparently can't tell the difference between them any more--more than that, he couldn't even suss the impersonator, which was even more obvious. I hope his powers aren't as unreliable as his intuition!

Peter's death was the low point of the episode for me. It had zero suspense for me, and while I obviously enjoyed Nathan sobbing over his brother's body, I was kind of disappointed that Claire's first meeting with Nathan was overshadowed by the non-death. It was very cool that Claire got to 'save' Peter and repay the favour though. So I had mixed feelings--it was definitely a case of the characterisation/dialogue taking a back seat to the plotting for me.

Loved Nathan's angst-out in the face of Peter's death, especially juxtaposed with Peter's apparent zen! And Nathan's smirky 'no matter what happens?' eyes were wonderful. But COULD Peter survive that explosion? Seems a bit more difficult than pulling a splinter of glass out of your brain...

Claire got a little swallowed up in this episode, I felt. She's usually a highlight for me, and I did feel for her in her scene with Nathan, where Nathan played into her worst fears. But I felt like I lost touch with her a little bit... I hope we get some good Claire-centric action soon--she was more of a pawn in this episode.

Meanwhile Mohinder is busy being a daft idiot again. Gah! I'd be more frustrated if I didn't find it both wonderfully comic and also awesome commentary on how well-intentioned people without smarts can be dangerous.

I'm glad Hiro (and the inevitable Ando) have a new puzzle to unravel--that bodes well for lots more awesome plotting in the eps to come. Oh, yes, it is shaping up very well indeed! I don't know what to make of Hiro meeting future!Hiro, but I'm sure it will be interesting...

*bounces off to read people's meta*
 
 
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K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Nathan Hirobop_radar on April 25th, 2007 08:17 am (UTC)
Oh, you have the cutest Nathan & Hiro icon EVER!
Becky: mylar is such a good word. idk why.sadface on April 25th, 2007 07:22 am (UTC)
I thought Issacs chattiness was more in character than clunky, like earlier with the delivery guy it was supposed to be intentional 'bigging himself up'. Like, Issac really, really wanted someone to know he was about to make this huge sacrifice so that later on delivery man could be hey...he knew! and with Sylar, hey, he just wanted to say 'well, i'm better than you still and I knew you were going to do it so really it doesn't mean anything NER' and then his 'but i know something you don't know' was just him being childish (and clearly stupid,but if he's shown us anything, it's that Issac is an idiot). Issac always struck me as the kind of yeah, he's a good guy but damned if he's not going to get recognition for it.

At this point, I'd be pretty happy for a second season where it was all about mummy Petrelli and Linderman fighting crime and trying to save the world. I'm still kind of in awe at how well the universe is set up, you know, like they planned stuff. Wierd.

I love Heroes' nods to the audience, they're so subtle and well done, like with Ando's 'I'm confused' at the end, he said it just after my brother went 'what the hell is Hiro talking about' and I was lol'ing and lol'ing.

I can't decide whether I want New York to blow up yet. Linderman for me was entirely convincing in his speech about all the good it will do [there is a rest of this sentence, but I don't know whether you read the tie-in comics on the NBC website and I think this weeks - which follows 0.7% - may contain a lot of the plot elements coming up in the next episode, which could be heavily spoilery so I won't say but er. yes]. I've grown to become quite fond of Linderman but I am still as yet unsure of his ambitions as his methods (kidnapping Micah, killing people) leave me with a feeling of distrust towards him.

Mohinder is so funny, he's pretty much the definition of why Giles should stay in the library. Sure, he's occasionally helpful but he's much better suited to the books.
Beckysadface on April 25th, 2007 07:23 am (UTC)
pretend I spelt Isaac right a lot.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Helobop_radar on April 25th, 2007 09:56 am (UTC)
Hee!
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Petrellicestbop_radar on April 25th, 2007 08:22 am (UTC)
Yeah, I agree that Isaac was totally in character--I just find the actual writing rather blah. Which is true of pretty much all of Heroes, always, for me, not just Isaac's scenes.

he's a good guy but damned if he's not going to get recognition for it.
He definitely reads that way.

Mama Petrelli and Lindermann must have hooked up in the past, right? Coz I'm so shipping them...

I'm still kind of in awe at how well the universe is set up, you know, like they planned stuff. Wierd.
Yeah it's such a novelty! *giggles*

I usually read the tie-in comics but I haven't yet. But yeah I really loved Lindermann's speech. I particularly like that he's nuking the first-world idiots, not the third world. ;-)

I like Mohinder best when he gets all angry in that 'terribly nice' way. He's the definition of ineffectual.
Nora Norwich: smoochesnorwich36 on April 26th, 2007 12:25 am (UTC)
Ooh, I love Lindermann too! Yay!

(Just sort of drive-by waving at you!!!)
Juxtoppozed: HeroesPeterjuxtoppozed on April 25th, 2007 08:10 am (UTC)
The strength of Heroes lies in the plotting. The plotting and the gloriously shiny comic-book cinematography. The script isn't the strong point, and this means pivotal character moments can be a bit hit or miss. Sometimes the overall impact of the 'twist' and the imagery is enough to carry the viewer through the scene... but listen too closely to the dialogue and it can fall a little flat.

You summarized perfectly what I like and dislike about this show. The imagery is so comic book, the transitions from scene to scene themselves sometimes make the impact where the character moments didn't.


The Nathan-Lindermann scene was entirely made of win. I love the premise of a generation of 'heroes' who have already gone through this journey, and who have 'wised up' (aka become jaded and cynical).


I really, really hope we get more on this, even if it's filtered in via flashback scenes. This sounds potentially fascinating, a villian that started out idealistic and naive and had a plan of action that seemed to fail and eventually convincing himself that he's just going about things the wrong way. It would flesh him out so much more. I love how this show doesnt just have several different kinds of "heroes" but several types of "villians" (who can be completely wrong about what camp they fall in).
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Ericabop_radar on April 25th, 2007 09:55 am (UTC)
The imagery is so comic book, the transitions from scene to scene themselves sometimes make the impact where the character moments didn't.
Yeah, that's it exactly. It gives it this weird flavour--it also makes it fun to mock, even while still engaged by it. ;-)

a villian that started out idealistic and naive and had a plan of action that seemed to fail and eventually convincing himself that he's just going about things the wrong way.
I'm optimistic that we will get more of this--the show's built Lindemann up as a very important character and the reveals on the past have been coming thick and fast recently... fingers crossed, because I agree that it would be great to learn more of that journey.

several types of "villians"
Yes! that is a good point--it is rare to see different kinds of villains. It makes the Heroes universe instantly feel more sophisticated than many others.
Cris: brunettesduskwillow on April 25th, 2007 08:52 am (UTC)
It's so good to have the show back! \o/

I love the premise of a generation of 'heroes' who have already gone through this journey, and who have 'wised up' (aka become jaded and cynical).
Oh yes!!
I'd love to see that story. I'm thinking Linderman, Mom Petrelli and maybe Claude?
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Nathanbop_radar on April 25th, 2007 09:50 am (UTC)
It is good, yes. And yeah--I'd love to see the backstory on the three of them.
Nora Norwich: Nathannorwich36 on April 26th, 2007 12:23 am (UTC)
The Nathan-Lindermann scene was entirely made of win. I love the premise of a generation of 'heroes' who have already gone through this journey, and who have 'wised up' (aka become jaded and cynical). It's putting Nathan in a more sympathetic position, since he gets to call Lindermann a 'lousy humanitarian' and be shocked about Lindermann's (completely callous) willingness to nuke New York. (I have to admit that I was very amused by Lindermann's 'meh, we're overpopulated anyway' argument, especially since he clearly feels that large swathes of the population of one of the most influential capitals in the world are dispensible... teh evol!) Nathan's capable of being pretty ruthless in his own right, but set him against megalomania on this scale and it seems like a surefire way to set him on the path to heroism...

Ooh, good point abouthow structurally this makes Nathan look better *and* gives him the possibility of actually acting better, to foil Lindermann's plot. (And I really hope that's what he's planning, though I'm a little concerned that now that he's found out Peter's invulnerable he may go along with it.)

Peter's death was the low point of the episode for me. It had zero suspense for me, and while I obviously enjoyed Nathan sobbing over his brother's body, I was kind of disappointed that Claire's first meeting with Nathan was overshadowed by the non-death. It was very cool that Claire got to 'save' Peter and repay the favour though.

What, you didn't think they'd kill off Peter? (I was SO keeping my fingers crossed, but yeah, basically I agree on the zero suspense thing, though I did think it was cool Claire got to do the actual saving).

I'm sure there will be more, and better, Nathan Claire scenes in the future so I wasn't *too* disappointed.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Nathanbop_radar on April 26th, 2007 01:02 am (UTC)
I'm a little concerned that now that he's found out Peter's invulnerable he may go along with it
Heee. I'm kinda hoping he does. *iz evol* I like him dark. :-) But yeah, I think defining him against Lindermann is an effective way for the show to go.

I'm sure you're right about Nathan-Claire scenes, but I love both of them so much, I reckon my expectations were just too high. He did look beautiful in that pink room though...
(no subject) - bloodygoodgirl on April 27th, 2007 01:33 am (UTC) (Expand)
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Nathanbop_radar on April 27th, 2007 03:28 am (UTC)
Yeah, they're gorgeous, aren't they?! The Petrellis are made of awesome (pretty). ;-)
Parul: HRG - controlnakhrewali on April 27th, 2007 01:09 pm (UTC)
The strength of Heroes lies in the plotting. The plotting and the gloriously shiny comic-book cinematography.
Absolutely agree with you! I love the directions they keep going in with this show.

Interesting. I loved the reveal that Lindermann himself has a power--and what power! He's moulded into this universe wonderfully--even if we've only just got to see him at episode 18.
I take it that you don't follow the online comics then? Because if you read the 2nd latest one boy does linderman's implications about the previous generation of heroes become clearer or what. Also yes he has absolutely fit into the Heroes world even though we saw him so late. I think I actually kinda like him in a he-is-quirky-and-amusing-way.

I also liked the little meta commentary on HRM not knowing who runs his company. That worked well for the viewer who's one jump ahead of the characters on this one.
It does? I thought we weren't aware about who runs the company till now...did I miss something?

Nathan's capable of being pretty ruthless in his own right, but set him against megalomania on this scale and it seems like a surefire way to set him on the path to heroism...
Yes villany is all relative LOL.

--she's cold and shows steely determination to keep the family's public image intact, but this hides a deep love and loyalty for her family.
Funnily enough that is how I used to describe Nathan a lot of episodes back (before he became such a totally obvious sap that no one can doubt he is a good man). I love how he has learnt all that from his mother.

How will he take the news that she's been manipulating his life on a far deeper level? Very interesting!
It certainly will be!

Peter's death was the low point of the episode for me.
Meh. Agreed. Maybe they should have been a little less dramatic. Then again I suppose if he look at it from the characters POV it was very dramatic for them because they don't know Peter can heal.

The next ep is going to rock!
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Kara glowybop_radar on April 28th, 2007 01:54 am (UTC)
Oh, I was reading the comics to begin with and then just kind of forgot/trailed off. I'm not sure why... I must go and catch up!

I thought we weren't aware about who runs the company till now...did I miss something?
Well, I guess we've only just found out--I didn't express that well. It allowed us to have sympathy for Mr Bennett, while still being in a slightly privileged position as viewers.

Nathan's mother's influence on him is one of the most well-crafted parts of their family dynamic, I think. He's both like and unlike her, but he certainly recognises the efficacy of her methods.
(Anonymous) on April 30th, 2007 10:23 am (UTC)
The old-generation-of-heroes thing is straight out of 'the Watchmen'. In fact, Linderman's character is pretty much a retelling of Ozymandias from that book.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Hirobop_radar on April 30th, 2007 11:23 pm (UTC)
Oh, interesting! Thanks!