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16 May 2007 @ 04:07 pm
Heroes 1.22 Landslide  
Heroes didn't really do it for me last night, so bear that in mind before you clicky. This episode contained one of my most hated devices. The 'learn martial arts in a day' device. And yes, I know it is ridiculous of me, in a comic-book universe, to fixate on this one piece of implausibility, but it bothered Greg Beeman too, damn it! I read it in his blog! (While shaking my head and thinking 'yeah, you should have listened to that small voice of reason, Greg!') So skip the rest of this para if you don't want to hear me rant. I guess I should have seen it coming... but I was hoping there would at least be a bit more offscreen time. Instead, no, Hiro magically learns to fight in an afternoon. Not only that, but he spouts some philosophy as well! *headdesk* Eeeeeeek! It couldn't get worse. I'm sorry, but it takes years, YEARS, to learn even the basics of a martial art (in my club it was a mantra that black belt was where your learning began), and as for philosophical insights... well those are even harder to come by, and completely meaningless unless you've lived them. I understand that most people will just run with it, but it's one of those things that just always is a sticking point for me. Especially because it is so often avoidable. Why wouldn't Hiro's father have had him train in a martial art (even a different martial art would have helped) as a child? Then he could have just been taking a 'masterclass', so to speak. I could have handwaved that a LOT easier. Of course I understand that heroes will always be shown to be able to absorb the requisite skills/knowledge faster than 'mere mortals', but Hiro's power has got nothing to do with martial arts! And I'm not even sure his cardiovascular capacity is that great. *frowns at him* He'd need to train dammit. Ok. Fine. I'm going to fanwank that he time travelled back to relive the same hour over and over and over and over again, for, like, TEN YEARS. *is slightly appeased*

On to the rest of the episode... I have to admit that I *lol*'d at Peter's last-minute 'wait! don't shoot me in the head like I asked you to!' reaction. Oh, Peter! *facepalm* That was one of the most obvious fakeouts they've had yet. On the other end of the scale, I really loved Sylar acquiring Ted's power and the last sequence with him standing on the rooftop playing with it and saying 'boom'. The melodramatic villainy was fun.

It is, of course, encouraging to see all the heroes drawing closer and closer together and I liked the way they crossed paths in this episode. I'm really glad that Hiro made his appeal to Nathan, and that Nathan turned it down. While I don't think Nathan's choice is the right or noble one, their altercation helped convince me of his position and it seems convincing of his character that he's been swayed by Lindermann. He's not happy about it, but he thinks the future can't be changed. That was the most chilling thing he could possibly say to Hiro, who already has good reason to fear that very fact. But Nathan could have made a different decision, which that scene also showed--that was a possible turning point--and he didn't. So I found the scene powerful and effective, even if it means Nathan's gone over to the 'dark' side.

I thought it was very cool that Lindermann healed Nathan's wife--his power is an incredible one. But he's been killed now? That's a little hard to process. DL punching into his skull was extremely gross. I wished I cared more that DL was dying... I think it's bad news for Micah since I don't believe either Nikki or Jessica is a good parent. He should hang with the shapechanger some more, especially since we finally learnt a bit more about her character--her true form is presumably the one that we saw at the election booth, I assume.

Speaking of the election rigging, I found that kind of stupid and implausible too. Surely there would be an investigation into that kind of turnaround in the election results. Yes, yes, I know--it's a comic book universe--but... but... *frustrated*

The final sequence was more satisfying in its suspensefulness, but I'm really just itching for them to get to the final showdown now. Enough with the developments I have to handwave! Get to the good stuff!
 
 
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K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Clex showdownbop_radar on May 16th, 2007 06:46 am (UTC)
Yes. I'm all too aware that it's a device; it's just it's a device I personally hate. I know others won't blink about it--it's just one of those things for me.

didn't Hiro have previous sword training?
Did he? I didn't pick up reference to that, but I'd be more than happy to find out if it's the case.
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K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Ericabop_radar on May 16th, 2007 06:59 am (UTC)
Oh, cool! That appeases my crankiness somewhat! ;-) And it was certainly true that he's well-versed in the mythology surrounding Japanese swordsmanship--that's definitely come up before, but I just don't recall the mention of training.

It's a daft, dorky thing to hate, I know, but I watch a LOT of martial arts movies and I always eyeroll when it comes up. I admire the movies that avoid this device with grace. And I heart the Matrix for having a convincing (and spectacular) speedy-martial-arts-absorption sequence. They're hard to pull off well.
Nora Norwich: claire hironorwich36 on May 16th, 2007 07:44 am (UTC)
I totally agree with you about the whole "learn martial arts in a day" thing--though I actually thought that Hiro's dad was deliberately distracting him so Ando would go off and be killed because it's secretly part of the plan.

I squealed a lot during the episode, at various reveals that were probably obvious to everyone: Sylar following Claire, Peter and Ted; Sylar turning Ted over to the FBI lady, Lindemann healing Heidi, Jessica transferring control to Niki, Lindermann's death. I really can't wait to see what happens next week.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Hirobop_radar on May 16th, 2007 08:55 am (UTC)
I actually thought that Hiro's dad was deliberately distracting him so Ando would go off and be killed because it's secretly part of the plan.
Oh dear! Poor Nora! :-( I didn't comment on it. *proud*

I think I've maxed out on the amount of squealing I can do. For some reason most of the reveals fell a bit flat with me this week--I think I've OD'd on them! But Lindermann's death was unexpected and I haven't really thought that one through yet.
Elli: sg1 >> Teamelli on May 16th, 2007 08:04 am (UTC)
I totally agreed about the Martial Arts thing.
It also seemed weird that Hiro would forget Ando is there and that ando would just take off on his own.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Hirobop_radar on May 16th, 2007 08:59 am (UTC)
Yeah, I agree it was weird that Ando took off. I have no idea why he would do that. I'm a bit more forgiving of Hiro--as a martial arts nerd, I can sympathise with his excitement and focus on learning. *g* But it is still awfully convenient for the plot.
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K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lee polite facebop_radar on May 16th, 2007 12:24 pm (UTC)
That's very well explained. However, I don't think the show did a good job of putting us in Ando's perspective--no doubt because they'd rather have their 50th 'reveal' moment for the ep. (Plus, I'm particularly un-attuned to Ando because I find him a dull and rather insipid little man.) I agree that Mr Nakamura and Hiro were thoughtless and short-sighted in not filling Ando in. If Hiro insists on having a sidekick, he should keep him in the loop! ;-)

I don't think it's unreasonable of Ando to lose faith in Hiro--though I also don't think he did a good job of reasoning with Hiro, bolstering his faith or otherwise offering alternative solutions. Also, surely he could have interrupted them at least once before taking off? *shrugs* If Ando ends up being the one to stop Sylar, I will be very unhappy!
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K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Jamie Bamber smrt is sexybop_radar on May 16th, 2007 01:14 pm (UTC)
I think it might have helped to hear Ando's conversation with the shop owner
Yes, I think so. Though I definitely don't find the idea that Ando might want to save his own life unreasonable--I'm sure I'd be doing all I could to stop it too.

I could fanwank it that Mr. N. had the robes in his briefcase and, thus, they didn't have to leave that backroom, but there was still a pause in the proceedings. Hiro couldn't have checked on Ando at that point? Whatever, Tim Kring.
Right! It was all so daft. Apart from my grumbles about the improbability factor, the 'learn martial arts in a day' device has been done so many times, in so many spectacular ways, that you have to be damn good and damn original in your choreography/storytelling to hold my attention--and this wasn't. It just distracted me with its obvious construction.

I think the bomb can be stopped or the course of its destruction can be altered, but I think everything else Isaac foretold up until that point of divergence will occur as he foretold it, including Ando's death
That seems highly probable, yes.
Elli: heroes >> desertedelli on May 16th, 2007 02:37 pm (UTC)
You're right, I didn't think of that. It's interesting how everything leads to a self-fulfilling prophecy.

And I agree. I think Hiro should have gone out from time to time and not forgotten that Ando was there. Same goes for Ando. They should have communicated everything.

I just think that Ando, knowing he will die, shouldn't have rushed into something.
Crisduskwillow on May 16th, 2007 10:00 am (UTC)
Hm, this is how I saw 'learn martial arts in a day' - it wasn't really about martial arts, it was about making Hiro realize that his emotions are stopping his from doing what he has to do. During the training his father makes him remember the stories he told him when he was a kid, and the one where the hero stabs his heart and gives it to the dragon because "his love isn't there". I thought it was cool for two reasons. First because it's obvious Hiro's father knew all along what Hiro's destiny might be one day and was preparing him for it since he was a kid. And also because he practically half turned him into emotionally closed off FutureHiro in front of our eyes. I liked the sword fighting, but the lesson on how to be the best kensei worrior underneath was more fun for me.

And squee - that last Sylar scene! So awesome!
It was so pretty comic book like it reminded me of Vessel and Zod on the LuthorCorp building roof.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Hirobop_radar on May 16th, 2007 10:25 am (UTC)
I'm glad the scene worked for you. For me, it would have been more effective without the martial arts--recalling the stories his father had read to him was cool, and a good way of showing that Hiro had the knowledge he needed all along. But I found it really hard to 'buy' that moment where Hiro says 'I have to be willing to cut out my heart' because there's a world of difference between realising what you need to do and being able to do it, and it felt like the show was conflating the two.

Yes! Very Zod-like! (Though Zod had a sweeping leather coat so he gets extra points!)
The First Evil: Heroes - carmendoveasta77 on May 16th, 2007 12:48 pm (UTC)
I only really watched the last half hour due to an overlap with Dancing with the Stars, but I saw enough to think your points are very valid. And considering your background it makes perfect sense that the 'Learn martial arts in a night!' program would be very irritating. I got cranky with an episode of Ugly Betty because of the way they depicted the accounting department and their procedures (I do accounts payable work ;).

The thing that amused me was after me complaining most of the season about the cast being too big they suddenly decided to thin out the herd in the penultimate ep!
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Nathanbop_radar on May 16th, 2007 01:10 pm (UTC)
I got cranky with an episode of Ugly Betty because of the way they depicted the accounting department and their procedures (I do accounts payable work ;).
Heee! Thank you. I'm glad I'm not the only one that finds it harder to suspend disbelief when shows take liberties in an area you know well.

The cast IS big! I like big casts, but I don't feel I get invested in any of the characters on Heroes--we're flitting around too much. But so far they seem to have bumped off all the characters I don't like--Eden, Simone, Ted ... Ando's looking probable...
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katiebugs18katiebugs18 on May 16th, 2007 05:34 pm (UTC)
HAHAHA...I caught that too. I work in politics and trust me...I've stayed up into the wee hours of the morning waiting for results. You don't get them in the middle of the afternoon/early evening.

The other part that really bothered me was the whole "landslide" victory. You can't make it a landslide if polls are consistently showing Nathan behind. You can have him win, that's not a shock, but a landslide...someone is going to ask questions. Even if they are the lunatic fringe.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Flying Manbop_radar on May 16th, 2007 11:01 pm (UTC)
the polls DON'T CLOSE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FREAKIN' DAY
I love it! I have to say the election results really bugged me too, but I didn't want to get into it in case the US system was just a whole lot weirder and more different than I knew! But I work as an election official here in Australia, and it's a loooooooong day!

(a) Peter's such a drama queen sometimes and (2) way to make your niece second-guess herself in the midst of impending crisis, Pete.
Exactly! He's lucky Claire's a smart and thoughtful little cookie, otherwise he'd have been offed already. As uncles go, he kinda sucks!

he's so lucky he won me over during Homecoming because now when I mock, it's entirely with love instead of growling irritation
*nods* Truly!

Nathan could still surprise all of us -- after all, there's one more hour of story to go and no one anticipated that he was working with the FBI to take Linderman down earlier in the season until we were given that reveal -- but I'd be lying if I said that I'm not disappointed in him right now.
True. I think he might still surprise us, and if that's the case I'm still glad that the Nathan/Hiro scene played the way it did--it would have been too easy for Hiro to run up and persuade him. In the battle for Nathan's conscience it's Hiro versus Nathan's mother, institutional power and political influence--Nathan likes Hiro but that's not enough to sway him. I don't think Nathan's abandonned his conscience entirely--I think he just believes that political means are his best way of exercising influence. However, what I wouuld really really love is for him to use his flying powers to save the world, after all. He's dismissed them, and they've been mocked, but... I hold out hope.
katiebugs18katiebugs18 on May 16th, 2007 05:48 pm (UTC)
I agree with pretty much everything you said. I actually said, out loud, 'do they actually have time for a whole do jo lesson when the world is about go to boom?' And I didn't get the part about Hiro having previously trained with a sword either. Though it would make sense given that most Asian children (I forgot where he's from) train in martial arts from a young age.

Hiro's reaction to Nathan - "You villain" - was cute and all but is he still really that naive? Maybe Ando really does need to die for Hiro to finally grow up.

If Ando ends up being the one to stop Sylar, I will be very unhappy!

Ummm, I think I might throw something if that happens. And the show will have completely lost me because they've been building Peter v. Sylar for nearly the entire season and if they suddenly back away from that...I'm gone. It's one thing to pull a "shocking twist" it's another to completely blow a season's worth of plot/build-up out of the water for that twist.

I thought it was very cool that Lindermann healed Nathan's wife--his power is an incredible one. But he's been killed now? That's a little hard to process.

Yes it was very nice of Lindermann to heal Nathan's wife but COME ON! She's suddenly healed after Lindermann told her he was giving her a gift and held her hand and she doesn't ask questions?! She doesn't think it's strange? She just takes Nathan's word that it's a miracle?! As far as we know she's completely in the dark about the Petrelli family abilities (especially Nathan's) so wouldn't this be a little, oh I don't know, shocking and suspicious for her? Just asking.

And I don't really buy Linderman really being dead either. If Claire can heal herself hours after she's died and was cut open; if Peter can come back from a big shard of glass to his brain then it's quite probably that Linderman could heal as well. Of course his brain got ripped out (and was that really necessary?) but still, Claire was practically burned alive so...guess that'll be the first BIG REVEAL of next week.

Is it bad that I'm suddenly so cynical? Next week has a lot riding on it.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Flying Manbop_radar on May 16th, 2007 11:10 pm (UTC)
Hiro's from Japan. I think there's a world of difference between learning a martial art as part of a standard school program (kind of like PE) and training properly, but I won't get started on that again...

It's one thing to pull a "shocking twist" it's another to completely blow a season's worth of plot/build-up out of the water for that twist.
Oh, I really don't think they'll do that! Fear not. I was just toying with my worst case scenarios in my own mind. ;-)

She doesn't think it's strange? She just takes Nathan's word that it's a miracle?! As far as we know she's completely in the dark about the Petrelli family abilities (especially Nathan's) so wouldn't this be a little, oh I don't know, shocking and suspicious for her? Just asking.
Completely valid questions! I think, for me, I'm running with the idea that Heidi knows a lot more than she's letting on. There's something about the actress that implies she's quite clued on... but to be honest there's no real textual sign of that on the show. *sigh* If it turns out she truly knows nothing, then yes, that is RIDICULOUS. You would at least get yourself along to a doctor if you were suddenly able to move, surely!

Is it bad that I'm suddenly so cynical? Next week has a lot riding on it.
I've definitely hit cynicism where Heroes is concerned. I think I maxed out on the number of reveals I can be impressed by. It's a bit sad, really... but next week I want BOOM! \o/