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03 November 2007 @ 04:35 pm
Smallville 7.06 Lara  
Hmm. That was... odd.

I'm pretty there for Kryptonian backstory, but I'm not really sure this was what I was looking for. It was a little melodramatic or something. I didn't really like the actress who played Lara either. Her looks are not ones I find naturally attractive so she felt too 'constructed' to me. I also found that my thoughts on this week's ep are quite disjointed. So I have more a series of observations than a coherent reading of this episode. Apologies in advance!

So Zor-El was the emotive brother. Interesting. My theory that all Kryptonians are quite emotionally aloof is debunked to some extent. However it's possible that he's an exception--he's cast as emotionally unstable so perhaps it's not GOOD for Kryptonians to be this expressive/dramatic. It's interesting that he gives his daughter the 'destiny' line at the same time as he's so determined to control his own and Lara's destiny. That kind of strange dichotomy between what he says he believes and what he actually does (and the reasons for which he does it) made him heavily paralleled to Lex in my mind. Especially when they played the 'we could rule this planet together' idea.

Of course that line also echoed the message Clark heard from the ship back in Season Two: 'rule them with strength'. I'm not really sure how I feel about that. Zor-El was clearly a villain figure--he'd tried to kill his own brother to marry his wife who clearly wasn't actually in love with him anyway. He was delusional. And yet we're not supposed to believe that his desire to rule Earth was unique to him? It was a goal of Jor-El's too? This just felt a bit off to me. I've always expected that 'rule them with strength' would be decoded one day as a mistranslation or misunderstanding--that it was really meant to be 'guide them' or something equivalent. So hearing those words from the mouth of a true villain was a bit perplexing.

Zor-El's 'if not now than one day through my science' line just made me LOL. I didn't think the actor was very good and it was one of those lines that only Michael could pull off without it seeming farcical. The sexualising of science though, and the way that he talked so reverentially about her DNA was again a real reminder of Lex and how he tried to clone Lana so they could be together at any cost.

And wow! They pulled the Memoria treatment on Kara. And it was extra creepy with the intravenous technique. I actually really appreciated that it turned out that both J'onn and Kara were telling the truth. I found it pretty creepy to watch Kara and Lara in the Kents' kitchen and found it hard to get past that.

Clark's rescue of Kara was pretty dramatic. It was brave of him to confront so much green K directly and it seems like his tolerance for it has gone up since he really fought against the crippling nature of it on him very effectively. And his power-punch to the chest to revive her was awesome. But, um, how did he know to do that? *headtilt*

The other thing that worked for me about this plot is that Kara's experience of learning the truth about her father is the opposite of Clark's. Clark started out by viewing Jor-El as a pure villain but is coming to learn that there's more to him than that. Kara started out thinking her father was a god, but has learnt he had a hidden dark past.

I would have loved to have seen Martha uncover a photo of a random blonde in the back of her portrait. There would have been some interesting conversations with Jonathan--hee hee hee!

Loved Kara running into a plane! So cute and at least someone gets to fly on this show! But wow that girl is the opposite of subtle. Seeing her play the lab technician was amusing but painful at the same time. In a completely different way, she's as clumsy as Clark first was when he started using his powers to investigate things. She's also completely driven by her own agenda--not balanced by any morality. I thought seeing Kara loose on her own showed a good contrast to the way Clark (nearly) always had others balancing him or reminding him of his values. I liked seeing that the genuine nature of her affections for Jimmy meant she went back and apologised to him though.

Jimmy was wonderful in this episode. I was really gratified to see someone appreciating him. I think Clark and Chloe gave him too much of a hard time about not telling them about Kara's interest in the space ship--he doesn't know she's an alien! When he did think she was in some sort of trouble, he DID tell them. His 'you are a very mysterious girl' call in response to Kara hacking into national security was really adorable.

Cute kiss between the two of them though doing it right at Chloe's desk was a bit much! And it was pretty painful that Chloe walked in right then. I'm glad Chloe was restrained in what she said to Jimmy to warn him--she wasn't very critical of Kara and that's good. But there's really nothing that Chloe can say in this situation.

Lionel: THE HAND! OMG, the hand. *dies* You know when that trap thing happened last week, I didn't think for a moment that it was so they could do that. Wow. This show still brings out the surprises. I found it really chilling, especially when he hugged Clark.

The Clark-Lionel dynamic was weird. Clark is amicable but he doesn't share the truth with Lionel which seems like a mistake given that he knows Lionel and J'onn J'onzz are in touch with each other anyway. It seems naive of Clark to think Lionel doesn't already know everything. Tsk! He demonstrated in the rest of that exchange that he still has uncanny knowledge about ... everything! He knows all about that Domestic Security project.

Domestic Security Guy was very creepy. I guess now that Lex is not being villain!Lexy, we need someone to take on that mantle. He did quite well, especially with his creepy Kryptonite handcuffs. And of course he referred to Lex as 'so blinded by devotion he couldn't see the danger you (Kara) pose this planet'. Actually we know that Lex DOES view Kara (and Clark) as a potential threat. But only if he can't win their affection.

Lex: time to give up your fixation with Clark?
I'm really in to Lex again this season. (talitha78's Cobrastyle vid has helped escalate my squee exponentially as well!!) It was great fun seeing him alpha it over Domestic Security Guy. He clearly thinks he's above even the government. Ah, Lex. Your ego is incredible but somehow it's wonderful to watch.

Beautiful performance from Michael in the scene where Domestic Security Guy (really must get a name!) arrested Kara too. It was great to see Kara bust into the mansion, and I was all ready to give her points for actually disabling the security (unlike Clark) but turns out that wasn't her. Indeed, it would seem out of character for her to do so since she's far more reckless than Clark and superspeeds into the room. (Part of me REALLY wishes Lex had seen that!) I really want to know how long Domestic Security Dude had been hanging out in Lex's mansion! How did he know Kara was going to turn up right then?

I also am always fond of seeing Lex lose it with people on the phone. :D He really shows a different side of himself in phone conversations--that restrained wry humour is abandonned and he's much more with the direct yelling. *giggles* It's a good thing he never rang Clark when they were friends... speaking of which, the Clex scene was most enjoyable. I loved how Lex's first words were 'take it easy, Clark!' Get them in quick before the alien thumps you! ;) I also loved how passionate he was with his 'I swear!' And Clark's silent jaw-clench in response to 'why would they arrest her?' was brilliant. But I wish they wouldn't cut away from these moments. One day I want to see Lex's eyeroll at Clark's silence.

Best line of the episode: Don't you think it's time to give up your fixation with Clark and everyone connected to him?

Wow, Lionel. Way to reduce an entire marriage, and two seasons of Lex courting Lana, as a footnote in the history of Lex's obsession with Clark! Not that i disagree with that reading, but still. Wow. And it triggered Lex into more active anger than he usually shows with Lionel these days. Michael's delivery of 'so that's it? your fatherly advice for the day?' was beautiful. And I really liked him calling Lionel on the way that he is more a father to Clark than to Lex these days.

The big lines just kept coming in that scene--I can't believe Lex actually verbalised that he had modelled his relationship with Lana directly on that of Lionel with Lillian. As always, Lionel as a strong read on Lex--he CAN fool himself. But Lex also has a read on Lionel. The two feel far more equal these days. And I had to laugh at Lionel saying Lex wasn't the same man any more because he was more competent now. Hee!

I REALLY want to know what Lana's up to with Isis. I don't believe her plans are all good and I think that 'right angle' that Chloe spoke of does exist. However that scene didn't work for me very well since it seems impossible that Lana would buy that Chloe would be happy about her supporting the meteor-infected. I hope she clues on that that was odd. And while I understand why Lana asked Chloe not to tell Clark anything, I don't think she should feel particularly confident that Chloe won't. Their friendship is in an odd place post-non-death of Lana and I sort of wanted more from this scene.

Finally a note to Clark: Honey, are you COMPLETELY batshit? You're going to resurrect your mother. Wow, you're a lot more like Lex than I thought. I get that you've always craved connection with your true parents, flesh and blood ones, not fortresses. But just have a think about this for a moment! Waaah!

On the other hand, I can't WAIT to see what Jor-El has to say about this... *rubs hands in anticipation of another restrained Fortress slapdown*
 
 
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daybreak777: laughing in the wrong placesdaybreak777 on November 3rd, 2007 07:05 am (UTC)
So this was an odd episode for Smallville? I guess I don't know the show well enough to know.

I found it pretty creepy to watch Kara and Lara in the Kents' kitchen and found it hard to get past that.
I actually found this whole scene transfixing and that's the first time I've felt that way watching this show. A lot went on, they were on earth in the house touching things, Zor-El found them, he came on to Clark's mom, Kara saw it, he wiped her memory, I mean whoa. And it was all dreamy-like. And Kara was really in trouble. I don't know, it all worked for me. I don't know any backstory so I was glad to see it.

I liked Clark's mom too. I later on found out she played Supergirl in the movie long ago so that's interesting.

But, um, how did he know to do that?
Was it some sort of superpower chest compressions? I only say that because the monitor had her flatlined. CPR? I don't know either! But it was cool.

I'm really in to Lex again this season.
He reminds me a little of Lee Adama. Especially with the daddy issues. He's trying to grow away from Lionel but he isn't there yet. And that kind of annoyed me. There is a point where you are responsible for your own actions. Even though I think Lex is trying.

I REALLY want to know what Lana's up to with Isis.
Me too! But like you, I think she's up to Not Good Things. She's so interesting to watch. You really don't know what she might do.

Finally a note to Clark: Honey, are you COMPLETELY batshit?
He is! That's what I said last week. He is completely CLUELESS. I mean it's sweet and all but dude, that's the crystal!

You're going to resurrect your mother.
What? I totally missed that. How much cloning does this show do? There's a strange obsession with it. Well, I guess when your plots don't have people who can download into other bodies or you can't make clone-like robots, you do what you can. Gotta love sci-fi!
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lex juicebop_radar on November 3rd, 2007 07:15 am (UTC)
. I don't know, it all worked for me. I don't know any backstory so I was glad to see it.
That's really good to hear--perhaps it worked better for new fans than long-timers. For me there were too many things that didn't fit with what we've been shown earlier but I'm glad the scene worked at an emotive level for you.

He reminds me a little of Lee Adama. Especially with the daddy issues.
What are you trying to say about me?! ;p

There is a point where you are responsible for your own actions. Even though I think Lex is trying.
Well on the one hand I totally agree with you--he's an adult and he's responsible for his own decisions. But if ever there was a parent it was hard to shake yourself of, it was Lionel. If you'd told me in season two that Lionel would still have an iron grip on affairs and be dominating his son in season seven I'd have thought you were crazy but they've really played him as the power figure. Lex won't be clear of him until he's dead but when he is, it's already been foreshadowed that Lex will take his father's place. :(

What? I totally missed that. How much cloning does this show do?
Hee! Quite a lot. I'm interpreting Clark's last line to Lana as implying he's going to try and use his mother's DNA in the crystal to bring her back to life. Cloning's been in the show since, hmm, season three. Lionel started it. ;)
tragicllyhiptragicllyhip on November 3rd, 2007 11:09 am (UTC)

That's really good to hear--perhaps it worked better for new fans than long-timers. For me there were too many things that didn't fit with what we've been shown earlier but I'm glad the scene worked at an emotive level for you.


Just curious, what didn't fit. Maybe I wasn't paying close attention(i tend to do that when Clark isn't onscreen), i know back in Season 3 Jor-el-Clark visited earth and they figured out that jor el chose the Kents to raise Clark, other than that, I'm not sure we knew anything about Lara really.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Clex fascinated with youbop_radar on November 3rd, 2007 11:17 am (UTC)
It was more the portrayal of Kryptonians overall. Until this season they've played all of them as being very cool and emotionless--think of Zod's minions at the start of season five, for example, and the original Kara. The melodrama here really seemed to debunk that and show that some Kryptonians were very dramatic.

Then I didn't really like the look of Lara or the actress. She didn't seem maternal to me but she also didn't fit with how I imagined Clark's Kryptonian mother. I guess these things are persona.

Then as I mentioned in my review I had issues with the use of the 'rule them with strength' line. It just all sat a little awkwardly with me.
tragicllyhiptragicllyhip on November 3rd, 2007 11:23 am (UTC)
That makes sense, but all we've known of kryptonians is Jor el's disembodied voice and criminals, I don't think Zod and his minions would be indicative of the average kryptonian. Clark's mother seemed gentle to me, but I knew beforehand she was being cast, but she seemed fine to me, but I've never really imagined Clark's mother physically, I just imagined her to be kind and gentle, as she was portrayed.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Bop_radar TWbop_radar on November 3rd, 2007 11:26 am (UTC)
There was also the girl that Clark met in the Phantom Zone--she was very gentle but also quite aloof and non-demonstrative. She's more how I imagined Clark's mother, I guess, even though she was too young.

I'm glad the actress worked for you. I found her looks hard to get past. She was a bit too 'Hollywood glamour' for me.
daybreak777: laughing in the wrong placesdaybreak777 on November 3rd, 2007 02:45 pm (UTC)
That's really good to hear--perhaps it worked better for new fans than long-timers.
Yay, for once it's good to be new to the show. I know none of the mythology. It's all new to me.

What are you trying to say about me?!
Hee! I think you know. But when Lex said the thing about his mother and father, I flashed back to Adama and Caroline and well, talk about replicating your childhood, you know?

But if ever there was a parent it was hard to shake yourself of, it was Lionel.
Lionel does seem a powerful figure, from what little I've seen of him. But then so is Lex. What's intriguing is Lex could be different. Really we know how it all ends, it's like watching Anakin Skywalker or something. 'There is good in him.' (Gosh, I am so totally sucked in.)

Cloning's been in the show since, hmm, season three. Lionel started it. ;)
Of course he did. :-)
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Clois Crimsonbop_radar on November 4th, 2007 01:45 am (UTC)
when Lex said the thing about his mother and father, I flashed back to Adama and Caroline and well, talk about replicating your childhood, you know?
Yikes! Yes, I do know.

Really we know how it all ends, it's like watching Anakin Skywalker or something. 'There is good in him.' (Gosh, I am so totally sucked in.)
Yes, it is EXACTLY like that--it makes it tragic. They showed a lot of potential for good in Lex.
Nora Norwichnorwich36 on November 3rd, 2007 07:06 am (UTC)
So Zor-El was the emotive brother. Interesting. My theory that all Kryptonians are quite emotionally aloof is debunked to some extent. However it's possible that he's an exception--he's cast as emotionally unstable so perhaps it's not GOOD for Kryptonians to be this expressive/dramatic.

I had the same thought, initially--but honestly, Kara and Lara were also so very emotive that I guess SV has just decided to avoid the whole emotionless Kryptonian canon.

Oh, and I totally agree with you about the whole Lara plot falling flat, and the creepiness of Kara and Lara hanging out in the Kent's kitchen.

The big lines just kept coming in that scene--I can't believe Lex actually verbalised that he had modelled his relationship with Lana directly on that of Lionel with Lillian.

I KNOW! I was stunned he actually said that. Though wow, that was a truth Lionel really needed to hear.

I REALLY want to know what Lana's up to with Isis. I don't believe her plans are all good and I think that 'right angle' that Chloe spoke of does exist. However that scene didn't work for me very well since it seems impossible that Lana would buy that Chloe would be happy about her supporting the meteor-infected. I hope she clues on that that was odd.

bagheera_san wrote a Chlana coda to this ep that points out that if Lana had access to Lex's research, she would actually know Chloe was infected. Which I hadn't thought of, but which is probably true.

And while I understand why Lana asked Chloe not to tell Clark anything, I don't think she should feel particularly confident that Chloe won't. Their friendship is in an odd place post-non-death of Lana and I sort of wanted more from this scene. Considering it was the first time they interacted onscreen since Lana faked her death, I really wanted more out of this scene, too. Still, with Lana being so skeery these days, I was happy that Chloe didn't just spill the truth to her.

Finally a note to Clark: Honey, are you COMPLETELY batshit? You're going to resurrect your mother. Wow, you're a lot more like Lex than I thought.

I KNOW!!! I thought I was being crazy in my reading of that scene, but a lot of people also got the same idea. And DAMN, if they actually go there? I will be completely flabbergasted.

All in all this was a VERY odd episode.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!bop_radar on November 3rd, 2007 07:11 am (UTC)
Kara and Lara were also so very emotive that I guess SV has just decided to avoid the whole emotionless Kryptonian canon.
I know. :( It no longer hangs together, that idea.

Which I hadn't thought of, but which is probably true.
Ohhh, yes, probably! That would explain her eagle-eyed look when Chloe showed up. The scene makes a lot more sense with that reading.

VERY ODD, Nora! Very odd! And there were plot holes you could drive the Kent's tractor through. :( I hope this is the dud ep for the season--at least it's out of the way.
svgurl: clark adorablesvgurl on November 3rd, 2007 07:20 am (UTC)
I liked this episode. It was interesting. The flashbacks were kind of cool but what is about Kryptonians barging into the farm? :\ And did you know? Apparently, English is taught as a second language in Krypton. LOL

The Lionel/Clark hug creeped me out to no end. That was a little too weird.

"Domestic Security Guy was very creepy. I guess now that Lex is not being villain!Lexy, we need someone to take on that mantle. He did quite well, especially with his creepy Kryptonite handcuffs."

I thought that guy was creepy too. He was a little like a robot, with that monotone voice and one facial expression. Clark saving her was cool but hello? Do you think about x-raying the place before you barge in so you're not surprised by loads of kryptonite?

I mean, he must've assumed it was there because how else would Kara have been taken away? *sighs* He's such a BDA.

"Finally a note to Clark: Honey, are you COMPLETELY batshit? You're going to resurrect your mother. Wow, you're a lot more like Lex than I thought. I get that you've always craved connection with your true parents, flesh and blood ones, not fortresses. But just have a think about this for a moment! Waaah!"

And the award for the most disturbing scene in the show goes to . . . :\ That was just a big "WTF" moment for me. I'm a little worried about Clark's sanity at this point. And they cut the show off at an odd point. I really want to see how they spin this.

The next episode is Lana-heavy. But I want to see if Clark has a reaction to her going all badass with his powers. If he forgives her again, I swear . . . >:(

Sorry for ranting. I'm done now, I promise. :D


K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lana Luthorbop_radar on November 3rd, 2007 08:34 am (UTC)
Do you think about x-raying the place before you barge in so you're not surprised by loads of kryptonite?
I read that as Clark willing to rescue Kara even if it meant facing green-K himself. He risked getting captured--it was very reckless but very heroic.

I'm a little worried about Clark's sanity at this point. And they cut the show off at an odd point. I really want to see how they spin this.
Yeah I guess I hope I'm wrong about the cloning? But it seemed to be HEAVILY implied.

Sounds like next eppy could be interesting! But then I like Lana.
Tom is my Clark: CLARK_teh_sex_Amandajane5_Rose_ettaprim_rose_etta on November 3rd, 2007 08:18 am (UTC)
...note to Clark: Honey, are you COMPLETELY batshit? You're going to resurrect your mother. Wow, you're a lot more like Lex than I thought. I get that you've always craved connection with your true parents, flesh and blood ones, not fortresses. But just have a think about this for a moment! Waaah!

On the other hand, I can't WAIT to see what Jor-El has to say about this... *rubs hands in anticipation of another restrained Fortress slapdown*


He did show-off his Mom's DNA-crystal to the person who knows all about getting cloned from itty bitty leftovers [do we really want to know what Lex used to achieve Model 546 or whatever it was?]

I didn't like the choice of actress for Clark's Mom, either. It was very forced, the way everyone had to add it their, "Oh, she was so beautiful" like a round robin. dude, she is not beautiful like her offspring, ya know? She was acceptable. And when she had to fight off Z-Dog, her strained facial expressions were even less attractive...

Where's the pretty?? Is this the CW?

*pouts*

*is ssoooo spoiled by TW*
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: TW smilebop_radar on November 3rd, 2007 08:31 am (UTC)
o we really want to know what Lex used to achieve Model 546 or whatever it was?
Yeah, the mind boggles. Or shudders. I'm not sure which.

It was very forced, the way everyone had to add it their, "Oh, she was so beautiful" like a round robin
Absolutely! They shouldn't have to TELL her that. Although apparently she played Supergirl at some stage and that is why she was chosen. PIty she looked nothing like TW, but I guess that explains WHY.
Nora Norwichnorwich36 on November 3rd, 2007 05:59 pm (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that actress was cast because she had actually played "Supergirl" somewhere along the line.
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Tom is my Clarkprim_rose_etta on November 4th, 2007 03:09 am (UTC)
Oh, yeah, Clark wouldn't know about the clone!Lana -- yet.

It's so hard for me to hold all this magnificent plottiness in my AlMiles-damaged mind.

And yeah, I remember that bit with Clark mentioning the DNA at the scene, but then it became Apocrypha, just like that! wow.

*g* thnx
Everywhere and Nowhere: Bill fist under jaw smilesallzugern on November 3rd, 2007 12:46 pm (UTC)
But, um, how did he know to do that? *headtilt*

Oh bop! He's spent so much time with his boyfriend in hospitals, he must have picked up a thing or two ;-)

I loved the Lex and Lionel in this ep. Lex finally calling Lionel out as a shitty husband and father. It's amazing how effective Lex can be when his balls aren't being clawed by Lana.

Despite a couple of eyerolls of doom (I mean really, Lara's picture has just been hanging out there for what 22 years?) I liked the eppy. Thats 7 for 7 WOOT!
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lex purple evilbop_radar on November 3rd, 2007 11:50 pm (UTC)
Lex and Lionel were old-school brilliance in this ep! And it's SO great that you're liking this season! *beams*
mahaliemmahaliem on November 3rd, 2007 04:10 pm (UTC)
Finally a note to Clark: Honey, are you COMPLETELY batshit?

He is! That look on his face was a bit scary.

K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Clark identity crisisbop_radar on November 3rd, 2007 11:49 pm (UTC)
It made me feel like he'd always secretly had the capacity to just go completely bonkers. Which given he's a superpowered alien is REALLY SCARY. *g*
Beck: SV - Clark Lois Oliver by Carmendovebeck_liz on November 3rd, 2007 08:34 pm (UTC)
Finally a note to Clark: Honey, are you COMPLETELY batshit? You're going to resurrect your mother.

Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I had a few issues with the rest of the episode, but I was mostly OK with it, plotholes aside... up till the end. When I feel like Clark gave me whiplash. WTF? That seemed to come straight out of nowhere.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Clex showdownbop_radar on November 3rd, 2007 11:48 pm (UTC)
Yuh. I worry about his brain. And he's been doing so WELL recently. Well apart from letting Kara fly off... *sighs*
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K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Boppybop_radar on November 4th, 2007 03:12 am (UTC)
That vaguely sing-song, little girlesque voice grated on my last nerve.instead of, I don't know, shoving him back out the door. It was like, "You have superpowers right now. You can totally kick his ass because he won't expect it."</i>
That too was ridiculous. I was too lethargic about this episode to even mention it but I had the same issues with that scene and I just couldn't get into it at all.

I wouldn't put it past Zor-El at all. He came off to me as just that whacked, first of all, and secondly, "rule them with strength" is a very specific phrase within the show's intratext.
I'm so glad you said that because I agree, but I didn't want to be the one to say that since I'd come off like I'd been looking for an excuse for Jor-El all along. But it is SO specific, and Zor-El did just seem THAT whacked.

Clark's entire response to Jor-El, is wholly shaped by those four words; I don't think it's coincidence that Zor-El specifically used them here. I think we were meant to take note of Zor-El saying it, I really do.
That's what I'd really like to believe. Because it would be a cool twist--that Clark's response to Jor-El is based on those words. It would get around the mistranslation issue (it was always going to be a BIT of a stretch if they went with that retcon) and it would tie him and Kara a bit closer in their history.

it would have been less creepy and invasive then going through their home and things.
Aha. Even if they're kindly aliens they're still aliens and personal space has SUCH strong resonance on SV--it felt so wrong it through me out of the whole ep.

Sure, he should anticipate that J'onn will tell Lionel about Kara, but I like it that Clark's instincts are to not trust Lionel ... because Lionel is not trustworthy.
He's not but I'm not sure it does any good to lie to him about things he knows you are lying about. Surely that will just annoy him? Though there's a strong parallel to Lex there. At a certain point I'd like to see Clark take a different tack with Lionel and confound him with the truth, but in a limited way. I don't believe it would really have changed anything for Clark to say that Kara was from his real father's side of his family. If Lionel's a risk to the two of them, he's a risk already.

Tom is my Clark: CLARK_Hugs&Kisses_Linabean1prim_rose_etta on November 4th, 2007 03:15 am (UTC)
Zor-El seemed pretty all up in Lara & Jor-El's business, so I'll just say it right now: I will not be at all surprised if he somehow screwed with Jor-El's A.I./the message inside Kal-El's ship once he learned L&J were (a) having a kid together and (2) sending the kid to Earth. I wouldn't put it past Zor-El at all. He came off to me as just that whacked, first of all, and secondly, "rule them with strength" is a very specific phrase within the show's intratext. The last five minutes of Rosetta, indeed, Clark's entire response to Jor-El, is wholly shaped by those four words; I don't think it's coincidence that Zor-El specifically used them here. I think we were meant to take note of Zor-El saying it, I really do.

This makes good sense. Way way back in the day, the K-Site crew were saying they felt Zod must have corrupted the Jor-El AI as well as the message in the space pod. Your hypothesis makes much better sense.
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K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: DW Sally Sparrowbop_radar on November 4th, 2007 05:13 am (UTC)
Re: part II
He apparently really does have so much power that a US Senator tries to placate him when he has a fit!
Yes! Lex > US government. Already. *blinks*

Or I could just be making that up to explain the giant plot hole. *g*
Your reading is generous but possible. I still think he'd have had to hang out there for a while, and the idea of him hiding behind a statue or in an alcove in Lex's study greatly amuses me. :)

it's not even that I object to Lex being lectured about his moral lapses; he should be lectured about them. It's just that Lionel "I'm a Moral Cretin, Ask Me How!" Luthor isn't the one who gets to do it!
Oh, I'm with you. The nerve of the man is beyond belief. I guess I'm just so inured to it now... I wish there was SOMEone who could slap Lionel down, I really do. That man's seriously got it coming. He has not repented for any of his past wrongs, the biggest of which is Lex himself.
Kate: Mskatejmskatej on November 4th, 2007 12:39 pm (UTC)
Cute kiss between the two of them though doing it right at Chloe's desk was a bit much! And it was pretty painful that Chloe walked in right then. I'm glad Chloe was restrained in what she said to Jimmy to warn him--she wasn't very critical of Kara and that's good. But there's really nothing that Chloe can say in this situation.

Yes, I'm finding that particular drama a bit hard to comprehend. Jimmy and Kara are being really insensitive to Chloe by courting each other at Chloe's place of work. It feels like they're kind of shoving it in her face. But OTOH I'm not feeling all that much sympathy for Chloe because she doesn't really seem all that jealous or hurt by it. She's concerned for Jimmy but otherwise doesn't appear to be that bothered, which makes me think she never really loved him (in that way). I don't get it.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lois smirkbop_radar on November 4th, 2007 09:17 pm (UTC)
I don't get it at all. I find Jimmy and Kara great together, but unsympathetic in pushing it in Chloe's face. But I feel the writers at work there more than the characters themselves... and I'm not inclined to be that sympathetic to Chloe either--she put Clark first the entire time they were dating, I'm not really sure what she expected, and perhaps that does mean she never really loved him.
Fleegull: Crown's Minefleegull on November 5th, 2007 01:07 am (UTC)
I'm pretty there for Kryptonian backstory, but I'm not really sure this was what I was looking for. It was a little melodramatic or something.

Agreed, it was not what I was expecting after years of hints of Krypton and the House of El, it turned out that everything was a sub par episode of Dynasty. Now, if they could have gotten Joan Collins to play Lara, I would be all over it!

I actually really appreciated that it turned out that both J'onn and Kara were telling the truth.

That was a nice touch and now I'm looking forward to their nexr meeting.

And his power-punch to the chest to revive her was awesome. But, um, how did he know to do that? *headtilt*


More to the point, why would it work? That stuff was in her bloodstream, a fist to the chest isn't going to change that.

I would have loved to have seen Martha uncover a photo of a random blonde in the back of her portrait. There would have been some interesting conversations with Jonathan--hee hee hee!


Ha! That would have been something to see.

Actually we know that Lex DOES view Kara (and Clark) as a potential threat. But only if he can't win their affection.


It's calssic Lex: either you are with him or you are his sworn enemy.

I REALLY want to know what Lana's up to with Isis. I don't believe her plans are all good and I think that 'right angle' that Chloe spoke of does exist.

She is going down a very slippery slope and I hope the payoff is worth it.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Bop_radar TWbop_radar on November 5th, 2007 01:58 am (UTC)
everything was a sub par episode of Dynasty
Ha! So true.

That stuff was in her bloodstream, a fist to the chest isn't going to change that.
*baffled* I actually burst out laughing. It was SO RANDOM. I'm praying it's some comic book canon move I don't know of...
atemkpjmm on November 7th, 2007 01:31 am (UTC)
I was so looking forward to seeing HS as Lara and was sooo let down! She was so timid and soft spoken and was just too 'sweet'. It was sort of like watching Lana try and pretend to be Martha.

I think that Agent Carter thought Lex stole the crystal and just took out security and disabled the cameras just when Kara came in. Now, why did he have a handy set of GreenK cuffs...IDK!

Also, there had to be a scene cut, because how did Lionel know where Clark went?

I also didn't get Lionel's 'No man is an island' comment. I mean, was Lex supposed to invite himself to Clark's home? In this series, if it isn't the main cast, you don't know anybody else nevermind spend time with them! So, what's up with that comment?
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lex purple evilbop_radar on November 7th, 2007 02:28 am (UTC)
It was sort of like watching Lana try and pretend to be Martha.
Ha! What a great description and yes, it definitely felt forced.

there had to be a scene cut, because how did Lionel know where Clark went?
Right! Too many loose ends. No clue on Lionel's dialogue either. It was all very WTF? I'm not surprised Lex turned on the snark.