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10 May 2008 @ 12:52 pm
Smallville 7.19 Quest  
This episode wasn't exactly all I'd hoped for the penultimate episode of the season, and Michael Rosenbaum's second-to-last performance as Lex. I'll get the snarking over with first:
- Smallville goes 'Da Vinci Code'? Rly? o.O That was necessary WHY?!
- Didn't they learn anything from S4? Teagues + Quests = BAD TV (and I liked S4!)
- No less than TWO sci-fi doctors were cast in this episode: Doc Cottle from BSG and my beloved Voyager Doc. And I tried, I really tried to overcome their familiarity to me, but it did not help that they gave one of them a stupid accent and made the other a psychopath. *headdesk* Oh Smallville.
- The plot was one of the stupidest and most pointlessly convoluted things they've ever written since Season 4. The clock was both stupid and improbable, the hidden compartment above the fireplace was really obvious (you cannot convince me that Lionel would not have found that!) and the Scottish folk song an unnecessary element of crazy.
- Chloe doesn't know who the patron saint of travellers is but DOES know there's only one St Christopher's cathedral in North America? o.O
- I was actually laughing helplessly through the scene where Lex stared at the clock. In my mind his inner dialogue during that scene went something like: 'Yup, not having the minion with me at this point in the quest DEFinitely a good idea because I look like a complete twat right now.'

Don't get me wrong, there were some things I liked about the episode. But I thought it forced the imagery too hard. We all remember the pilot and the iconic image of Clark as 'Angel', in shadow, in the cemetery. We all remember the crucifixion. To evoke those associations we don't need to have it hammered down our throats in dialogue in this ep! Smallville: please, please keep those things as visual metaphor, where you do it so well, as opposed to dialogue which flops like a deflated balloon.

I also thought it a great pity that Clark and Lex did not encounter one another even once during this episode. In terms of scaling up the drama as a lead-in to a finale, I think that would have been far more successful than holing each of them up with her own crazy old dude.

To be fair to this episode, I'm rather distracted this week. My Lex vid is in the final stages of construction and it's rather all-consuming. Also, I haven't written about it, but I'm feeling very concerned about Season 8. I know fandom hates Al and Miles, but their departure felt like a warning bell to me, and the confirmation that Michael won't be returning next season made me actually cry--perhaps especially because I've been vidding his truly superlative performance at Lex. So perhaps that made me a rather demanding audience this week. ;)

Ok, onto the good: they remembered that Edward Teague was STILL ALIVE! Whee! This pleases me greatly because we don't have to fanwank a death for him. Hooray! It startled me not a little that he'd become a crazy monk, but I'd rather have that than the loose end. What I wasn't so happy about was the way that Jason and Genevieve's deaths were reinterpreted. I feel both Clark and Edward are wrong: they didn't die because of OR for Clark. They died because they were power-hungry crazies who were so caught up in their own quest that they lost touch with reality--just like Edward.

I thought it was a pity that they went so overboard with Edward. Having him be a complete NUTJOB meant that it was all too easy to dismiss his rambling, but some of what he had to say was powerful. I particularly liked the fact that he said that interpretations of the Kryptonian messages from Swann varied. The Traveller could either be (seen as) a saviour or a destroyer. That's a powerful concept that harks back to the very first time that Clark heard the 'rule them with strength' message. Clark himself has fought that interpretation--and it's important that he keeps on fighting it. But the subjectivity of the message is interesting.

It was also intriguing that this episode followed on the heels of one where we saw Clark himself consider removing himself from the equation. Jor-El intervened to show him that that selflessness would actually endanger the Earth. Edward says 'I pray that you find peace in this act of selflessness', but the ceremony is being conducted against Clark's will and against Jor-El's judgement. Edward casts suspicion on Jor-El's motivations, saying he just couldn't bear the thought of his own son dying, but I don't buy that: Jor-El is, if anything, painfully objective about his son, and if he thought Clark was doing harm to the world then he'd probably just icicle him again. ;)

Shirtlessness! It's back! Oh, how I've missed it. I guess the writers figured they'd have to milk Michael for at least one more shirtless ep before he left. And yay for paralleled shirtlessness with Clark. *g* Ok, it did involve rather icky disfigurement, but still.

I loved that Clark destroyed the clock completely by accident. Yay! This episode was full of improbable logic jumps and I was glad to be spared one more (Clark magically knows what the clue in the cathedral is!). And I like that he thinks Lex didn't find what he was looking for, that he doesn't realise Lex already has the power in his hands.

The Namaan/Segeth image resurfaces! I'm happy about that, though I found the idea that somehow there could be an outcome to the eternal struggle between good and evil had me seriously tearing my hair out. I get that Lex is power-crazed enough to believe that he could gain ultimate control over the Traveller, but why is Jimmy buying into the idea that there will be an ultimate winner out of the Good Versus Evil battle? Especially since the image involves the melding of the two.

And getting to that... if the image supposedly shows the resolution of the hero/anti-hero conflict, then it's both hilarious and disturbing that it appears to involve them cojoining bodies. And I loved Clark's reaction to Chloe 'buying into' the mythology. He was all eyerolly: 'Chloe, that's sooo Season 3!'

One thing this episode DID do well was show how dangerous the role of 'secret-keeper' or 'worshipper' could be. We've seen several people in this role this season--most notably Lionel, who, like Teague, also tried to control Clark, 'for his own good'. They showed how easily crazy love/worship for a person could flip over into thinking you need to take control of that person. That reflects on Lex and how he would react if he had confirmed for once and for all that Clark is the Traveller. But it also reflects on Chloe. In the absence of Martha, Jonathan, Pete and Lionel, Chloe has inherited the burden of being Clark's secret-keeper, and she's also very inclined to put him on a pedestal, to insist that he's only a force for good in the world. In this episode she goes so far as to insist that he play 'God', demanding that he kill Lex. Wow, Chloe. When did you make Clark your deity?

I think her words are damaging to Clark and his potential as the future Superman. He absolutely should NOT play God and I was glad to see that Clark was perfectly clear that if he killed Lex, he'd be turning into him himself. There would be no win out of the situation. In fact, I would argue that Lex would have won in that scenario, by triggering a reaction so violent and so evil in Clark. It would prove that Clark IS a threat to the world, that he is a 'God among men' in the darkest sense of the word. Keep on resisting, Clark! I don't buy that he doesn't have a choice about being on the pedestal. Even if people (*cough* Chloe) insist on viewing him as all-powerful (either good or bad), Clark doesn't have to buy into that. His own natural humility and selflessness will save him from that, I believe. But it also makes me angry that the person at his side is trying to undermine that.

I'm really hoping that the finale will make this episode look better in retrospect. It probably will.
 
 
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K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lex golden fieldbop_radar on May 10th, 2008 05:35 am (UTC)
I kept having to say, "Meanwhile, on the other other side of the church ..." It was ridiculous.
HA. Yes. It was so redonk. Even for Smallville!

what Veritas and Chloe fail to understand is that Clark actually buying into the hype about his own godlike status is exactly the moment he becomes dangerous to himself and everyone around him
YES. That's exactly it--it's the way Clark deals with his powers that make him potentially dangerous. And talking him up and telling him how great (or terrifying or dangerous) he is, is a really bad bad bad idea. If it was anyone but Clark, I think the human race would be in Deep Trouble with them around.

That he should be acting as judge, jury and executioner because somehow, his power automatically means he knows what's best for everyone else.
And yet Chloe also has a very specific idea in mind about what he should do. If he suddenly decided to turn on someone else, not Lex, she'd die of shock. And yet that doesn't seem to occur to her--she is projecting her own ideals onto Clark so massively. I really feel Clark should have told her that if she wanted Lex dead that badly she should just get a gun and do it herself. She gives up all agency to Clark, yet at the same time insists that he follow her advice. Gah. This is not the behaviour of a true friend. :(
Fleegull: Jobfleegull on May 10th, 2008 05:40 am (UTC)
I kept having to say, "Meanwhile, on the other other side of the church ..." It was ridiculous.
HA. Yes. It was so redonk. Even for Smallville!


To me it seemed that the clock was in a separate area, lots of Catholic churches have small chapels and vestibules (where the priests get ready for Mass) that are completely cut off from the rest of the Church. It also appeared that the clock scene was shot on part of the Luthor manor set and not in the church itself, so I'm going with it being the priests' vestibule and not the church proper. Of course, your mileage may vary.

That doesn't change the fact that getting the guys shirtless was pretty much the highlight of the episode for me, even if Lex's wound would have been covered after it was treated in the hospital, no one walks around with something like that *open*.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lee thinking hmmbop_radar on May 10th, 2008 05:47 am (UTC)
I think whether it was in a vestibule (I agree--I think it was) or not, the fact that they were in the same cathedral at the same time but didn't encounter one another was funny.

And I guess we're supposed to fanwank that Lex's healing powers allowed him to leave the wound uncovered? I did like that he was popping painkillers with his scotch on the plane at least. ;)
svgurl: clark eyessvgurl on May 10th, 2008 05:36 am (UTC)
Great review as always!

I'm glad I wasn't the only one having a season 4 flashback. :\ And not in a good way either.

What I wasn't so happy about was the way that Jason and Genevieve's deaths were reinterpreted. I feel both Clark and Edward are wrong: they didn't die because of OR for Clark.

Exactly! I don't know where they came up with that crack theory from. Genevieve was a psycho, power hungry nutjob and Jason attempted to kill Clark's parents. Nobody was dying FOR Clark and certainly not because of him. Lana killed Genevieve and Jason got killed with the meteor shower. I wonder about the writers sometimes (actually, most of the time).

Wow, Chloe. When did you make Clark your deity?

She annoyed me in this episode. With her worship and her complete lack of understanding of Clark's morals. I hate how she is putting him on a pedestal too. Just ... no. :\

The season finale looks vaguely interesting but I'm not crossing my fingers.

Your reviews though, I look forward to. :)
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Clex showdownbop_radar on May 10th, 2008 05:50 am (UTC)
Until now I've really liked the way they've handled the retcon on the Teagues, but this took it too far for me. I guess I can live with it as being in character for Clark to feel responsible for people's deaths (even when he's not) and for Edward (who is a nutjob) to think of them as dying with a purpose. I really want to believe that the writers didn't expect us to buy it.

My review as a lot snarkier than usual this week. ;) I'm hoping to find something more squeeful in the finale.
Clari Clyde: Seraphim: Funclari_clyde on May 10th, 2008 05:50 am (UTC)
Actually, I thought the episode was a little too Alias — and that show was all about a female Jason Bourne as a character in a more secular Da Vinci Code.

As for the God angle, Edward and Chloe scared me a little for the same reasons that Lionel did. They all like the idea of having God on their side but, when God then doesn’t do what they want him to do, they then play god by taking control of God. It makes me want to type in all caps when I write about them!

I like to imagine that in the future, Lois will be there to smack up upside the head with, “Smallville, when I met you you were naked in a cornfield and that plus the switch brains for air behind that pretty face of yours made me drive you to the hospital.”



I feel both Clark and Edward are wrong: they didn't die because of OR for Clark. They died because they were power-hungry crazies who were so caught up in their own quest that they lost touch with reality--just like Edward.

Exactly. You could replace Clark with the Fountain of Youth or The Holy Grail or Excalibur and the result would have been the same.

Anyways. Back to Edward, I want to know why he stayed in the group despite tiny nigglings against Swan’s interpretations. Seeing more of the backstory — all the individual agendas and politics and the impact these obsessions would have had on their spouses and maybe even children — would make for some fine nighttime soap operas. In Lex’s flashback, his mother demanded to know about Veritas from Lionel.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lois kicks assbop_radar on May 10th, 2008 05:55 am (UTC)
I've never watched Alias (I know, I know... I should), but I believe you.

As for the God angle, Edward and Chloe scared me a little for the same reasons that Lionel did. They all like the idea of having God on their side but, when God then doesn’t do what they want him to do, they then play god by taking control of God. It makes me want to type in all caps when I write about them!
SAME. ;)

I like to imagine that in the future, Lois will be there to smack up upside the head with, “Smallville, when I met you you were naked in a cornfield and that plus the switch brains for air behind that pretty face of yours made me drive you to the hospital.”
Oh, what a happy-making thought! I missed her so much in this episode.

all the individual agendas and politics and the impact these obsessions would have had on their spouses and maybe even children — would make for some fine nighttime soap operas
Definitely! It does set my mind wondering. Each family seems to have handled it quite differently: Lionel kept the secret in lockdown, creating a rift with Lillian but keeping complete control in his hands; Edward seems to have been more open but the result was that both mother and son got caught up in the politics. I guess the Queens were somewhere in between--Oliver got reprimanded for spying, but it's implied that both parents knew the Veritas secret. And Swann... I wonder when Swann told Patricia about the Traveller. There's such intriguing material there.
Clari Clyde: Seraphim: Funclari_clyde on May 10th, 2008 11:40 pm (UTC)
I missed Lois so much. I kept wanting her to be there smacking Edward and Chloe, “Wait, Smallville is God? Get real. Let me tell you the dorktasticness that is Clark Kent…”



I wonder if all the kids were supposed to have known about the traveller at some point, they just needed to grow up and be found trustworthy of the secret and only Patricia grew up having her father’s full trust. Jason didn’t know about any of this, what little he got was Genevieve’s attempt to control him. And Lex, well, the Traveller was going to be Lionel’s way of trumping Lex.

As for Oliver, that would be interesting. I hope we see more of him next season and that this part of his parents’ storyline and its effect on him is explored. Obviously the Queens died when he was too young to be trusted with the secret but, there are ways the Queens could have a handful of loyal people (lawyers, nannies, friends, etc.) to posthumously act on their behalf.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lex purple evilbop_radar on May 11th, 2008 01:12 am (UTC)
kept wanting her to be there smacking Edward and Chloe, “Wait, Smallville is God? Get real. Let me tell you the dorktasticness that is Clark Kent…”
She was needed so desperately.

I wonder if all the kids were supposed to have known about the traveller at some point, they just needed to grow up and be found trustworthy of the secret and only Patricia grew up having her father’s full trust.
I think that's the most likely scenario--it definitely works for me. I still think Patricia had marvelous presence and I see how Virgil would have trusted her once she was old enough.

I too hope we get to explore Oliver's side of things. I guess it will be a little tricky without Lex, but they could certainly have him reflect on or investigate his parents' death more.
theninthdoctor: Bob the Puppettheninthdoctor on May 10th, 2008 11:11 am (UTC)
Shallowly what I truly want to know is how the heck could the Holographic Doctor possibly be Jason Teague's father?

You'd think they'd have gone for some kind of resemblance... and if that failed, Jeffrey Dean Morgan. Either way... I really don't see this guy with Jane Seymour.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: FNL Tyra lolzbop_radar on May 10th, 2008 11:33 am (UTC)
Clearly, I'm exactly where the writers want me to be, like a worm on a hook. ;)
RIGHT. There was NO resemblance AT ALL. That made it even harder to disconnect him from his performance as Voyager's Doctor. I was unspoiled for his casting so it took a good long time to stop laughing and once I did I just kept asking 'THIS guy?' over an over to myself.
tragicllyhiptragicllyhip on May 10th, 2008 11:58 am (UTC)
hmm...i'm not sure why the clock would be improbable, but I kind of just go with things on shows like this I guess, I thought they explained it pretty well, one clue led to another, and without finding the symbol on the shield or on the clock, i don't think that would have stood out to anyone. I thought it was interesting at least. I enjoyed the ep, it was heavy-handed, but i guess presenting Clark as a God literally was interesting.

Chloe's words to me were only damaging to Chloe, I don't think for a moment that Clark would buy into what she said, and I didn't get any impression he had, Chloe was acting rather odd this ep. I think Clark is pretty solid in his morality right now, so I'm not worried about what Chloe had to say.

I thought it was a nice set up to the finale and I enjoyed Michael's and Tom's performances (and we got to see the chest:D)
tragicllyhiptragicllyhip on May 10th, 2008 12:40 pm (UTC)
OK, and I thought about it some more, lol, and there were leaps of logic, but i guess I didn't want to dwell on them because i had fun with the episode. I'm not sure what lead the members of Veritas to be so fixated on the Traveler, was it the need for power as they like to imply on the show that all powerful men want is more power, absolute power. Edward didn't seem nuts to me (he was played very well by whoever that guy is that I've seen many times over the years) just disillusioned? Like so many people who get warped over their beliefs. It was interesting seeing Clark be the focus of that, since from Season one when he saw the message "you'll be a God among men" I know the idea of being such a powerful force in the world always scared him, and I loved his reaction to Teague kneeling.

Chloe seems to be forming her own cult of Clark, i know she's always put him on a pedestal, but she is becoming dangerously close to mirroring Teague on some level. Literally telling Clark to play God was taking it a step too far, and maybe a bit of a warning for Clark that he can't completely trust her.

I'm not sure I'm making much sense, and I can't crystallize what it is I enjoyed about the episode, or maybe knowing whats coming makes it easier to accept leaps in logic?

I will say I missed the chest soo much, it was nice to see Clark's chest again, I cheered! then they messed it all up, but thats ok, Chest!

I liked clock dude too:)
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Clark identity crisisbop_radar on May 10th, 2008 11:30 pm (UTC)
Edward didn't seem nuts to me (he was played very well by whoever that guy is that I've seen many times over the years) just disillusioned?
Oh, that's great! I think the episode would have been a lot more successful for me if he'd seemed less nuts. I really struggled with the casting choice--I like that actor a lot but I just couldn't let go of his previous character in my mind while watching.

It was interesting seeing Clark be the focus of that, since from Season one when he saw the message "you'll be a God among men" I know the idea of being such a powerful force in the world always scared him, and I loved his reaction to Teague kneeling.
Yeah, that WAS really good. I wish this episode had been more successful for me because I like the meta behind it.

she is becoming dangerously close to mirroring Teague on some level
Yeah, the parallel was very strong (and disturbing).

I liked clock dude too:)
Hee! Yay! Again, I like the actor, but I'm so used to seeing him in a different role that I struggled. But yay that it worked for you!
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Clex here with youbop_radar on May 10th, 2008 11:26 pm (UTC)
I'm glad the episode worked for you more than it did for me. I think circumstances conspired to make it very difficult for me to suspend disbelief in the way I usually would.

And I agree that Chloe's words are really only damaging to her; Clark is strong enough to resist them. (But I still hate that she said them.)
tragicllyhiptragicllyhip on May 10th, 2008 11:35 pm (UTC)
The clock guy has appeared elsewhere? I know he's old as the hills so he must have worked before, but i've never seen him before, and I'd never seen the Teague guy in any set role before either (I hear he was on one of the star trek shows) so maybe thats why it was a bit easier for me. I don't watch much tv aside from SV, well no other scripted tv shows really (i'm addicted to shows on Bravo), at least not religiously so I'm very much a tv virgin still:)
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Ericabop_radar on May 10th, 2008 11:39 pm (UTC)
Yup, clock guy is in the current cast of Battlestar Galactica and Edward Teague was a long-term cast member of Star Trek Voyager. Both of them play(ed) doctors on their respective sci-fi shows, which made it feel even more absurd to me. I think it probably helped not to know them. ;)
daybreak777: chloe smilingdaybreak777 on May 10th, 2008 02:52 pm (UTC)
No less than TWO sci-fi doctors were cast in this episode: Doc Cottle from BSG and my beloved Voyager Doc.
Hee! I kept staring at the Doctor and missing him and Kes. He hasn't aged a bit. And I wanted to give Doc Cottle a cigarette to calm his nerves.

The plot was one of the stupidest and most pointlessly convoluted things they've ever written since Season 4. T
I haven't even seen season 4; I just thought it was me and because I've been away from SV for a while. But no, not just me.

My Lex vid is in the final stages of construction and it's rather all-consuming.
Yay, Lex vid! I can't wait. *bounces* I have not seen many good SV or BSG vids lately.

the confirmation that Michael won't be returning next season made me actually cry-
Aww, poor Boppy! Well, you'll always have the vid to rewatch his greatness. And hey, he was shirtless! *distracts you*

And I loved Clark's reaction to Chloe 'buying into' the mythology. He was all eyerolly: 'Chloe, that's sooo Season 3!'
Hee!

I was glad to see that Clark was perfectly clear that if he killed Lex, he'd be turning into him himself.
I am so torn. What's Clark going to do? On one hand I want him to grow up and smell the coffee, on the other hand, his very innocence and goodness are what makes him totally incorruptable. And Earth needs him that way. But what happens when he or his friends are in danger? How is Clark going to roll the hard six?

I don't think Chloe is trying to undermine him (Me? Understand Chloe? Whoa, it has been a season), but she's trying to get him to make the hard choices. Fortunately, I believe in Clark. Yes I do. He will make those choices but not the way she thinks he has to.

Glad you're feeling better, Bop!
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Boppybop_radar on May 10th, 2008 11:34 pm (UTC)
Yay, Lex vid! I can't wait. *bounces* I have not seen many good SV or BSG vids lately.
Thank you, dear! And yeah, I haven't either... though I've got a stack I want to get round to watching.

What's Clark going to do? On one hand I want him to grow up and smell the coffee, on the other hand, his very innocence and goodness are what makes him totally incorruptable. And Earth needs him that way. But what happens when he or his friends are in danger? How is Clark going to roll the hard six?
These are the ultimate questions. And I think you're right when you say he'll make the choices but not the way Chloe thinks he has to. He's far more likely to go for a solution that sacrifices himself then for one that results in someone else's death. I'm excited to see what happens because Smallville usually handles these big eps really well.
daybreak777: lana reddaybreak777 on May 10th, 2008 11:47 pm (UTC)
I've got a stack I want to get round to watching.
Let me know if there are any good ones. I am gonna watch Samson again. I miss Lana. And I'll watch some other Lex ones you recommended.

I'm excited to see what happens because Smallville usually handles these big eps really well.
Yay! I'm going to do a mini-marathon this week because I'm behind. But then finale!
Vicki: descendedmyownghost on May 10th, 2008 03:54 pm (UTC)
as always, your review helps me put things into a logical order (even when the show's not logical). like you, i'm feeling pretty bummed out about michael leaving the show, but i'll watch for your vid!
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: MR dorkbop_radar on May 10th, 2008 11:37 pm (UTC)
Heh, I attempted logic...

And yeah, Michael leaving makes me very sad. But I'm happy for Michael if that makes sense. I know there's a stack of stuff he wants to pursue and he's worked so hard on this show for seven years--he deserves to go on to other things now if he wants to. I'll follow his career with interest... but Smallville won't be the same.
Vicki: scientist lexmyownghost on May 10th, 2008 11:51 pm (UTC)
oh yes, that makes sense. i am happy for him, too, and hope he's offered great scripts and does really well for himself! SV, otoh, is going to seem very oddly empty without him.
suex on May 10th, 2008 06:25 pm (UTC)
Smallville goes 'Da Vinci Code'? Rly? o.O That was necessary WHY?!
- Didn't they learn anything from S4? Teagues + Quests = BAD TV (and I liked S4!)


Hee, hee!! I actually kind of like all this mysterious Da Vinci Code stuff. It follows along the path that they actually set up from the beginning, which was interrupted by the movie franchise that dictated they should go all sci-fi instead. But that's just my opinion. :/

And I tried, I really tried to overcome their familiarity to me, but it did not help that they gave one of them a stupid accent and made the other a psychopath.

Robert Picardo has been playing a major role on Stargate Atlantis and Stargate SG1, so I've managed to overcome the familiarity of the Doctor.

Chloe doesn't know who the patron saint of travellers is but DOES know there's only one St Christopher's cathedral in North America? o.O

Didnt she look it up on the computer?

During that scene I couldnt help but think back to the Season 3 episode Slumber, which also highlighted St. Christopher, the Patron Saint of Travellers.

I also thought it a great pity that Clark and Lex did not encounter one another even once during this episode. In terms of scaling up the drama as a lead-in to a finale, I think that would have been far more successful than holing each of them up with her own crazy old dude.

Maybe they want to hold off their encounter until the finale. Ya know, give it more impact that way. I did love it when Lex asked Teague, "what did you do" and he turned and said it was The Traveller. That was a great moment. Kind of added more intrigue for Lex.

It startled me not a little that he'd become a crazy monk, but I'd rather have that than the loose end.

I actually thought it was a good thing that they showed him as a "crazy". Both his wife and his son were crazies, so having the whole family as a little crazy and obsessive was in my eye good continuity.

I get that Lex is power-crazed enough to believe that he could gain ultimate control over the Traveller, but why is Jimmy buying into the idea that there will be an ultimate winner out of the Good Versus Evil battle? Especially since the image involves the melding of the two.

I was finding all of that very hard to follow, which was the only part of the episode that I could really do without. Do we need to have Jimmy involved in this? I couldnt make head or tail of what he was saying his research turned up.

In this episode she goes so far as to insist that he play 'God', demanding that he kill Lex. Wow, Chloe. When did you make Clark your deity?

I think her words are damaging to Clark and his potential as the future Superman. He absolutely should NOT play God and I was glad to see that Clark was perfectly clear that if he killed Lex, he'd be turning into him himself. There would be no win out of the situation.


I think Chloe's been hanging out with Oliver for too long. She seems to have forgotten that a very big part of why Clark is so special is because of his humanity.

I just kept saying shut up Chloe, during that scene, and I was so relieved that Clark completely dismissed her way of thinking. Yay Clark!!!

But it also makes me angry that the person at his side is trying to undermine that.

That's why Lois becomes his wife ... she's able to combine and see the loving human side of Clark that Lana has for him and understand and appreciate the hero that he is, like Chloe does. (Well Chloe's becoming a little skewed, but she did initially start off worshipping the hero side)

And yes, YAY for the shirtlessness.

Great review, as always, Boppy.










K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lois no morningsbop_radar on May 10th, 2008 11:45 pm (UTC)
I'm glad the Da Vinci Code stuff worked for some people--I just couldn't make the leap. It was unexpected (though as you point out, it does have continuity with earlier material).

Robert Picardo has been playing a major role on Stargate Atlantis and Stargate SG1, so I've managed to overcome the familiarity of the Doctor.
Oh, that might have helped! I've only ever seen him as the Doctor (and I loved him in that role) so I struggled.

Didnt she look it up on the computer?
She pulled up a page on Google. I very much doubt that searching for 'patron saint of travellers' would produce that info on the first page of search results. This ep made me nitpick in ways I don't usually... there were just too many clangy moments for me.

. I did love it when Lex asked Teague, "what did you do" and he turned and said it was The Traveller. That was a great moment. Kind of added more intrigue for Lex.
It made me really think he must have thought about Clark in that moment--because Clark's the other person he associates with these strange moments of having something mysterious (but invisible to Lex) occur.

Both his wife and his son were crazies, so having the whole family as a little crazy and obsessive was in my eye good continuity.
True. It would have been hard to buy a stable Edward. ;)

I think Chloe's been hanging out with Oliver for too long. She seems to have forgotten that a very big part of why Clark is so special is because of his humanity.
Yeah. That's a good theory: too much Oliver. Too much moral ambiguity in her own actions too, I feel.
tragicllyhiptragicllyhip on May 11th, 2008 12:53 pm (UTC)
She pulled up a page on Google. I very much doubt that searching for 'patron saint of travellers' would produce that info on the first page of search results. This ep made me nitpick in ways I don't usually... there were just too many clangy moments for me.

Lol, I was bored and curious, so i googled it, yep, St Christopher comes up right away. And there's a church in Australia I think.

Maybe you're feeling bummed about MR leaving, I went through that last week, but now I don't really think its a terrible thing. Lex's story is pretty much concluded, he's reached his future villainy and I think its time Clark be challenged by someone who's not directly related to him emotionally and facing a bigger villain who poses a threat on people other than the ones close to him will help him to think globally and push him further towards his future self.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: TW smilebop_radar on May 12th, 2008 11:57 am (UTC)
was bored and curious, so i googled it, yep, St Christopher comes up right away.
Hee! That's so funny. :) I tried it too but it didn't work for me:probably because I'm in Aus so it brings up Australian pages earlier.

Maybe you're feeling bummed about MR leaving
Yeah, true that.

And your words about another villain give me some hope... I do think that Lex's journey feels very near complete now. *nods*
suex on May 11th, 2008 05:23 pm (UTC)
She pulled up a page on Google. I very much doubt that searching for 'patron saint of travellers' would produce that info on the first page of search results. This ep made me nitpick in ways I don't usually... there were just too many clangy moments for me.

Well you know Chloe and her Google Research Engine. *rolls eyes* :D

It made me really think he must have thought about Clark in that moment--because Clark's the other person he associates with these strange moments of having something mysterious (but invisible to Lex) occur.,/i>

Ooo yeah! I love the thought of that. Its always about Clark, where Lex is concerned.

Yeah. That's a good theory: too much Oliver. Too much moral ambiguity in her own actions too, I feel.

Which makes me think that this is the route that they'll take for the conclusion of Chloe's story. She'll go off with Oliver and his merry men.

meretrix: MR - handpornlaisserais on May 10th, 2008 07:28 pm (UTC)
yay, you did legitimate epsisode analysis of Quest! man, i'm bummed that i decided to resist the temptation of SV fandom until almost the end, because finding folks like you, who do a superlative job at interpreting episodes, actually makes me want to tear my hair out far less. season 7 has rivaled season 4 -- for me -- in sheer fuckwittery, and i'd almost given up hope.

i like the balance you brought here, of optimistic critical thought and fannish enthusiasm. I agree with a lot of what you said, and some of what you said has persuaded me to not give up hope on canon entirely.

also? you're making a lex vid! i can't wait. MR is pretty much the reason i've stuck with SV for so long, and i'm really sad that he's leaving. imo, i've never seen an actor do more with less than he has, and i get why he wants to leave, but i'm nearly positive that his departure, along with al and miles, will seriously impoverish the show.

anyway, you've legitimized some of the more questionable choices they've made, and made me think of the ep in a slightly different way. so thanks!
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Boppybop_radar on May 11th, 2008 12:21 am (UTC)
i'm bummed that i decided to resist the temptation of SV fandom until almost the end, because finding folks like you, who do a superlative job at interpreting episodes, actually makes me want to tear my hair out far less.
Hee! Thank you for the flattery, but also YES, Smallville fandom can be GREAT that way! It's way more fun in company. :) You can eyeroll about the craziness but also meta-geek about the symbolism--especially the visual symbolism they do so well.

Season 7 is definitely not my favourite, but there have been flashes of greatness. Don't give up hope! It's great to see another SV fan around, even if you've come late. :)

. MR is pretty much the reason i've stuck with SV for so long, and i'm really sad that he's leaving. imo, i've never seen an actor do more with less than he has
For me too. And it's SO true that he's done more with less than any actor I know. He's incredible! He can take the most craptastic lines and deliver them in such a way that they give me shivers (or make me laugh, or cry).

Thanks for commenting! Good to 'meet' you.
goodvibe: clexlovegoodvibe on May 11th, 2008 12:08 pm (UTC)
MR is definitely not returning next season? I was really hoping he'd guest star for atleast a few eps arc or some such. :-(

Great review though. I was flat out either bored, or annoyed by the ep, save for TW and MR's performances.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: MR dorkbop_radar on May 11th, 2008 11:39 pm (UTC)
He's definitely not returning. He posted his farewell message to K-site and he's had some farewell interviews in which he's confirmed that. There were discussions about trying to get him to come back for a guest star session but that would mean he couldn't take on other projects (since he'd have to shave his head) and there's so much he wants to do. He says the end of Season 7 is a good point at which to leave his character. I am happy for him, but sad for the show.
jude_judith82: Tom & Erica a.k.a Director Tomjude_judith82 on May 11th, 2008 06:52 pm (UTC)
I'm so ambivalent about this episode. I didn't hate it but I didn't like it either but mostly I think it's for this reason:

Wow, Chloe. When did you make Clark your deity?

This completely took me out of the episode. It's not the first time she does something like this advises him to do something and I think someone up thread said this if I was Clark I would have been like do it yourself if you want him dead. This reminded me of Promise so much when it came to Lana and Lex's wedding.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Clois runbop_radar on May 11th, 2008 11:38 pm (UTC)
I think someone up thread said this if I was Clark I would have been like do it yourself if you want him dead
Haha. That was me. :D I really felt like handing her a gun. I think it's the height of hypocrisy to urge someone else to do something you're not willing or capable of doing yourself. On the other hand, I could believe Chloe capable of killing Lex now and that throws me out of her character completely.
jude_judith82: Clark and Lois/Apocalypsejude_judith82 on May 11th, 2008 11:41 pm (UTC)
Haha. That was me. :D
Heh I'm not surprised ;-) A lot of people are saying they think Chloe was OOC in the eppy and I can see their point I don't agree with it.
Nora Norwich: Lex earnestnorwich36 on May 17th, 2008 01:45 am (UTC)
Seems like I used to have a "Lex worship" icon that would have been appropriate to this comment, but it seems to have been swapped out at some point.

Here I am once again, commenting a week late and solely on the religious themes. o.O Not sure what that's about, really (well, the lateness is that Friday between 5 p.m. and mandatory social event seems to be my only free internet time these days, but I hope that will improve shortly.)

Anyway. To actually address your review:
I guess the "quest" part of this episode didn't bother me so much because it was so much a part of the whole Veritas mytharc, which we were wrapping up last week; it was really the crazy religious stuff I found more disturbing. Though I don't mind as much as most people that the religious subtext became text.

It startled me not a little that he'd become a crazy monk, but I'd rather have that than the loose end. What I wasn't so happy about was the way that Jason and Genevieve's deaths were reinterpreted. I feel both Clark and Edward are wrong: they didn't die because of OR for Clark. They died because they were power-hungry crazies who were so caught up in their own quest that they lost touch with reality--just like Edward.

Yeah, I agree--and also because Veritas apparently had centuries of creating enemies behind it. (Hmm. It just occurred to me that if any of the Teagues were witches, this horrific scenario could all play out again in 500 years through one of their hapless descendents. Bwah ha ha ha ha).

What's disappointing to me now, having seen the finale, is that I really thought this episode was setting up some scenario where Clark would have to reject playing God, despite the intentions of Veritas and Chloe (whose behavior I found very disturbing, to be honest)--and yet that whole plotline was dropped. Kind of annoying, really.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: K Lexbop_radar on May 17th, 2008 05:24 am (UTC)
, this horrific scenario could all play out again in 500 years through one of their hapless descendents. Bwah ha ha ha ha).
Yes! HAA!

I really thought this episode was setting up some scenario where Clark would have to reject playing God,
Yeah, it totally was! And then dropped like a lead balloon. There was a bit of a shoutout about it in the Brainiac scene but as I explain in my review that was completely unsuspenseful and SO NOT THE POINT. So yeah, it makes Chloe's dialogue even more annoying because it doesn't even serve as foreshadowing. o.O Wtf Smallville?