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18 May 2008 @ 07:12 pm
Battlestar Galactica 4.07 Guess What's Coming to Dinner  
Having spent a lot of this week processing the fact that Battlestar is veering off in a direction that I'm not entirely comfortable with, I found myself better able to face the show this week and was pleasantly surprised. It was a given with the title of the ep that the focus would still be strongly on the Cylon-Human alliance, so I was prepared for that. What I found easier to stomach this week was the fact that some of the problems with such an alliance were being acknowledged by the characters.

And there was Lee! Thank goodness! That did a lot to help me through the ep, even though he was still only in it briefly. I loved the opening scene between him and Laura, but I wish we had seen more of the intervening period. It strongly read to me as if there had been a build up of frustration since Lee joined the Quorum. He was quite insistent and angry in their exchange, and that worked for me because I was far from being sympathetic to Laura. But she made a very compelling case, and actually he was really pushing things with her, telling her that she 'owed' the people a response. I thought their exchange was perfectly pitched because although I side with Lee in thinking that Roslin needs to reach out and connect with the people more, she was very persuasive in telling Lee (and therefore me!) what it was like to be in her shoes.

I loved Lee's shock that the story was actually true. I'm sure it shocks him on several levels--firstly because he would be inclined to think it was a typical Baltar stunt, secondly because of the implications it holds that Roslin herself may be a Cylon. I'm really interested to see how this shapes the way he acts regarding her from now on.

I was also intrigued by Zarek turning to Lee for answers in the Quorum scene. I can understand it on some levels--he comes from the military and people might suspect him of still knowing what's going on in their decision-making, especially given his family connection. But it felt like Lee's become somewhat of a leader in the Quorum in a brief time--they look to him as a bridge to Roslin, perhaps in part because he's willing to challenge her. But I feel like we've missed the intervening development again. We're having to extrapolate that from a very brief scene. And for the record I believe Lee when he says he's in the dark. There's no way, now that he's not in the military, that they'd let him in on the details.

The second Lee-Laura scene was, if anything, better than the first. I was thrilled that Roslin let Lee see her emotional reaction to hearing that there was going to be a vote of no confidence against her. I know that it's a sign of her lacking the energy to hide her true feelings, but I want her to let him back in again so badly, I don't care: she needs to start listening to him if she's to hold the fleet together. And thank goodness she did in this scene! My sympathy for her waned when she called the delegates 'needy and perpetually unhappy'. But I was so proud of Lee for not getting wound up by this. Instead he responded by recounting the way he emotionally tuned into their apathy and despair, their pessimism. It's like he's become the CAG of the Quorum! He was always good at reading others' emotional states and leading accordingly, while also shouldering some of that emotional burden himself. He's using the same skills with the Quorum. As Laura says so scathingly: 'you felt their suffering'. Her next line though was magnificent: 'now try holding their lives in balance every day'. It was the perfect way to convey how emotionally exhausting her role is, and it helped me understand why she feels there is nothing she can do to please them.

Lee's response is so simple--and so right. I honestly think his suggestion was the smartest move politically for her, as well as for the Quorum. And her little twist of a smile and silence seemed to indicate that she could see that at some level. That was of course confirmed by her following Lee's advice. Yay! I thought that scene was wonderful too. You could tell that the Quorum delegates were conflicted--it was good that she'd bothered to come speak to them, but her jokes fell flat and she's lost their faith.

Laura
Laura was back to her former greatness in this episode, for me, and it put to rest a lot of the fears I'd had about her 'converting' to Gaius's religion. It's clear in this episode, in a way it wasn't in the last, that what she's after is answers, not salvation.

I particularly enjoyed her scene with Tory. And I'm sorry to the Tory fans on my f'list but my sympathies are entirely with Laura. Tory betrayed her in hiding her relationship with Gaius and I think she deserved the response she got from Laura.

Gaeta
I had reconciled myself last week to Gaeta losing his leg but that didn't make it much easier to take. This season really has been brutal. I hold on to hope that he ll not die because that would be too much--his leg is enough, SURELY. The cutting scene was really awful and he looked so terribly ill the whole episode. :((

The singing was kind of eerie and made me totally think he was a Cylon! I loved that Gaius came to see him, even if he didn't say anything. That was too perfect. But I wish someone else had gone to see him--I would like to think that Helo or Kara or both stopped by his bed.

I'm not going to say anything about Sam. I can't be bothered wasting keystrokes on him.

The Cylons
Ok, so there was still some stuff that annoyed me. For starters I really wanted to know how many Cylons were aboard the basestar. How many are we talking about here? We saw Athena confront several Eights when she came aboard. Tigh says 'billions' of Cylons will lose their download capacity. Even assuming that he's employing hyperbole, they presumably considerably outnumber the humans still. I think that should have been taken into consideration in the decision making, but it was glossed over completely.

Also, once again, noone seems concerned about the Cylons knowing where Earth is. Laura suggests keeping the Final Five until they get there and then turning them over. Her 'split the difference' plan was excellent except for that detail, I felt. If the Cylons turn on them once they're on Earth they're done for. There's nowhere else to run to. And if Earth is not a haven from the Cylons, then why go there? Why not just find another New Caprica?

And I still don't understand the dynamic between the three individualised versions of Six, Leoben and Eight that we see talking, and the rest of them. If they're starting to become distinct from one another, how are they able to be so sure that all of their model will agree? How did these specific three come to be leaders? I ask these questions because they're partly what leads me to feel removed from the Cylon plot, but in part I don't really care because it's just never going to be explained clearly on the show.

But there was some stuff I did enjoy. I thought Tigh calling out 'halt' before the Demetrius jumped in was intriguing, especially because I seriously got the impression that Adama was sussing onto something. I loved the way he looked at Tigh. I do feel that Tigh covered his tracks well saying he 'got lucky' and that Adama might buy that from Tigh if from noone else. Also, I loved that Tigh was so hardcore and committed to nuking the resurrection hub and trusting the president. It's ironic that two of the most hardcore human supporters in this ep, resisting the alliance, are Cylons: Tigh and Athena.

Athena's plot also really worked for me. Nathalie freaked her out on the basestar by mentioning Hera. Hera is Athena's weak spot--she lost her once before and she will protect her at all costs. The dreams would be frightening to any mother, I think, and we've seen that she's not in favour of the alliance any way. She doesn't trust the Cylons and them taking her child must be her worst nightmare. So I completely see why she reacted the way she did to Hera running to Nathalie. And while I don't trust Nathalie, it was well constructed to show that she didn't orchestrate that encounter. Hera is in some way compelled towards Nathalie. My hunch is that she's sharing the dreams too, or seeing Head!Six in her dreams, and so she recognises Nathalie as the lady from her dreams.

The one slightly jarring aspect of that storyline was that Athena seemed to have noone minding Hera at all which really does make me think she was asking for trouble, but I'll blame the writers for that, not her.

I found Nathalie compelling in her interview with Adama and Laura, but I still didn't trust her. However, I did really like that she offered the idea of destroying the resurrection hub. Taking away the Cylons' ability to resurrect would be a HUGE thing and could tip the balance of power between human and Cylons. Without an easy way to reproduce, the Cylons would be running out of time. Every death would be one step closer to annhiliation--which is exactly what the humans have been facing as well (though they find it easier to reproduce). If I'm going to have to swallow human-Cylon reconciliation, then I would find it a lot easier to do so on those terms. It's also recognition from the Cylons that their current ability to resurrect is unnatural and that it creates a barrier between them and humans.

I would have bought Nathalie's story about discovering that they started to experience a paradigm shift in thinking a lot more if I'd heard her discussing it with the other Cylons, rather than just using it as her persuasive speech to the Quorum. I'd like to take her words at face value but... I just don't know.

Also, I'm perplexed by the Centurions still following orders. I was really stressing out about their being Centurions with free will ambling around Galactica. Who's to say one of them wouldn't break ranks and shoot humans? And did Nathalie TELL Adama they had free will now? Grr.

I did like that Nathalie realised her speech wasn't convincing, realised that they should tell the humans the truth. I saw in that a little of what dionusia means when she says they are childlike but learning. However, I don't feel Nathalie realised that because it was the right thing to do--but rather because it would be the most successful thing to do. That's ok, though. It was still progress of a sort. But of course, she just got shot down. By Athena, no less. That's a very BSG thing to do--to show the Cylon most committed to change gunned down by the Cylon most committed to humanity.

Kara
Kara wasn't in this episode as much and that was actually a bit of a relief. I felt like she returned to her more normal role--as an officer. And I liked seeing that. She was composed and professional in all her interactions. And yes, I think Lee was sneaking a peek at her in the Quorum meeting.

However, that calm exterior is hiding torment--as we saw when she flashed to the Hybrid's message during Nathalie's speech. That was probably my favourite moment in the episode because I need to badly to see that Kara, that all the humans, have doubts about what they're doing. And Kara must doubt herself sometimes. She must wonder if what she's doing will end in destruction, not salvation. In a different way, she too, like Laura, is carrying the fate of humanity in her hand, directing its course, and that burden is immense.

The Laura-Kara scene was brilliant. Such a contrast to their crazy gunpoint altercation. This quiet bedside scene had them connecting on a strange level. Kara recognises in Laura that she's struggling with a similar burden to Kara's. They both need answers: about the Hybrid's message, about the visions.

I liked how underplayed Kara's agreement to help Laura was. 'Find Captain Agathon': Kara thinks 'I can do that'.

But OMG another terrible idea! This one, however, I find easier to forgive because it seems more accidental. Presumably (and again, I'm all vague on this stuff) they thought there was no danger of the Hybrid jumping the basestar away or they would never have risked it. I presume they thought they'd gained enough control of the ship that that was impossible. So I'm going to read it as a tragic mistake rather than stupidity.

And I'm conflicted about where this plot leads. On the one hand Yay! that it removes Gaius from his boring followers (and yay Laura for telling him to quit with the religious nonsense) but boo on the splitting the storyline up again just when it had amalgamated. And wow, what an odd group to be congregated on that basestar.

So better than I'd expected, but I'm still glad I lowered my expectations.
 
 
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ez_as_pi: heartez_as_pi on May 18th, 2008 12:31 pm (UTC)
It's like he's become the CAG of the Quorum!

We should start calling him C.Q. or C.o.Q (now for some reason I also want to call him CQ1.. I think I've watched too many eps of Friday Night Lights!)

I'm not going to say anything about Sam. I can't be bothered wasting keystrokes on him.

Amen. I was kinda 'wtf' over him hanging out during surgery...

You hit all the thoughts I had during the ep. And you said them WAY better than I could have. :D
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: FNL Matt Saracenbop_radar on May 19th, 2008 05:16 am (UTC)
CoQ! Brilliant. Except it sounds/looks kinda dirty. ;) I like CQ1 even though it makes no sense. Though I guess it's kind of: CAG, Quorum delegate, and Number 1. Which is TOTALLY WHAT HE IS. :D

I was kinda 'wtf' over him hanging out during surgery...
... *continues to damn him with silence*
ez_as_piez_as_pi on May 23rd, 2008 02:36 am (UTC)
*continues to damn him with silence*

*dies laughing*
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lee snarkbop_radar on May 23rd, 2008 03:51 am (UTC)
I rather enjoy damning people with silence when I'm really mad. :D
daybreak777: galactica logodaybreak777 on May 18th, 2008 02:04 pm (UTC)
secondly because of the implications it holds that Roslin herself may be a Cylon
Whoa, you think Lee thinks Laura is a Cylon? She still thinks Kara is one. It's all so very confusing. Would Lee really care? He accepted Kara as possibly being a Cylon, I think. Yeah, it's different he's in love with Kara and Laura is president of the colonies, but if he could accept one, shouldn't he accept the other?

My sympathy for her waned when she called the delegates 'needy and perpetually unhappy'.
Aww, I think she's tired too. Tired of trying to placate them, torn between logic and her very real-to-her visions. She's dying soon and trying to save them, and they are quibbling over democracy. Hee! Never been in Laura's pov before, but I'm tired and sad right now, and like her want to get on with this already. *apologizes to democracy, we'll dust you off again later*

had reconciled myself last week to Gaeta losing his leg but that didn't make it much easier to take.
Next time, give a girl a clue! Nah, my fault really, I had convinced myself it wouldn't happen. Sigh. But I'm prepared for anything now. He could die, Kara could die, they all could die and be dismembered. This is this season. Any frakking thing could happen and will.

I was really stressing out about their being Centurions with free will ambling around Galactica. Who's to say one of them wouldn't break ranks and shoot humans? And did Nathalie TELL Adama they had free will now? Grr.
Dude. They could. Anything could happen. Anything.

That was probably my favourite moment in the episode because I need to badly to see that Kara, that all the humans, have doubts about what they're doing. And Kara must doubt herself sometimes.
I liked this too. But I still worry. A few eps ago Kara was tied inextricably to her visions, couldn't leave them alone. Something is fundamentally changed in her. Was changed in her. What the heck is it? I want to know. Until she knows, how can she be sure of herself? I'll believe in her to the end, but that doubt she's feeling is a good thing.

So better than I'd expected, but I'm still glad I lowered my expectations.
Glad you're better, Boppy! I still think my show is awesome. It just wants to kill me every week. How did I forget that? I still kind of love it immensely, but I am a bit . . . raw. But thanks for more meta and I'm glad you found things to enjoy. Thanks for everything. :-)
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lee armsbop_radar on May 19th, 2008 05:22 am (UTC)
you think Lee thinks Laura is a Cylon
Let me clarify: I think that, if the writers hadn't COMPLETELY given up on the idea that humans even care any more, it would be logical for anyone to assume that someone might well be a Cylon if they confessed they were sharing dreams with them.

if he could accept one, shouldn't he accept the other?
Not saying he shouldn't! I rather think he does. :) Judging by his behaviour in the rest of the ep.

*apologizes to democracy, we'll dust you off again later*
HA! *makes Lee earnest!face at you for that* I'm your conscience! You need democracy now more than ever!

Next time, give a girl a clue!
I couldn't, sweetie. It would have hurt you and I don't think you would have believed me any way. And then there was a slim chance he might not lose the leg and I'd have hurt you for no reason.

Dude. They could. Anything could happen. Anything.
Yes. *nods and worries*

Until she knows, how can she be sure of herself? I'll believe in her to the end, but that doubt she's feeling is a good thing.
Yeah, it is. I want her to feel it. Like you said several weeks ago, it's not Kara I doubt but her visions and whether they are being orchestrated by Cylons, which seems entirely likely now that her comet turned out to be a basestar. :(

I still kind of love it immensely, but I am a bit . . . raw. But thanks for more meta and I'm glad you found things to enjoy. Thanks for everything. :-)
I was raw last week. It still holds a Big Emotional Place in my life, though I rather think I have a kind of familial love for it now. The kind of love you have for a family member who is really frakking you off. ;) It's the 'I will never leave you, you will always be part of my life, but oh god I want to kill you right now' love. :D
daybreak777: gaeta don't be bluedaybreak777 on May 19th, 2008 05:50 am (UTC)
HA! *makes Lee earnest!face at you for that* I'm your conscience! You need democracy now more than ever!
But Laura is dying! And the Quorum is never happy. We do need democracy right now, though. This is why Lee can't ever die.

I couldn't, sweetie. It would have hurt you and I don't think you would have believed me any way.
Awww! I did have myself rather convinced, didn't I? But not anymore. I am now steeled and ready for anything they might send my way. Anything. See? My expectations were so lowered I was completely astonished at the show's ability to hook me emotionally. Not making that mistake again. Never underestimate the power of your own character love.

I will never leave you, you will always be part of my life, but oh god I want to kill you right now Love.
Ah, different kind of show loves. My is the You Are Awesome But Please Don't Hurt My Kids Any More Even Though I'm Almost Willing to Trade Democracy for Their Lives Blah, Blah Rest of Show Love. No, not really, I love all the narratives of the show. But when one of my faves is in danger, this is totally the show I'm watching.

Nah, could never leave BSG. I can't even skip an episode!
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Kara/Lee plottingbop_radar on May 19th, 2008 05:57 am (UTC)
This is why Lee can't ever die.
With you on that, honey!

Never underestimate the power of your own character love.
Amen!

I can't skip either, but I can dither nervously all weekend over it. ;)
indigo419: Lee Captain carrielhindigo419 on May 18th, 2008 03:20 pm (UTC)
he's become the CAG of the Quorum!

Hee! That ought to be an icon!!

I do feel that Tigh covered his tracks well saying he 'got lucky'

I find it interesting that most of the reactions I've seen think Tigh was on the verge of outing himself with that move, but I actually think it lines up pretty well with his actions in the past (Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down), where he launches the alert fighters before Adama gives any kind of command. (And that ep was about the friendship between Tigh and Adama, interestingly. We know now that Tigh being a Cylon wasn't in the works that far back, but it wouldn't surprise me if the writers were thinking of that scene when they wrote GWCTD.)
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Kara/Lee plottingbop_radar on May 19th, 2008 05:24 am (UTC)
That ought to be an icon!!
YES! Yes it should. I should wheedle dianora2 some more...

most of the reactions I've seen think Tigh was on the verge of outing himself with that move, but I actually think it lines up pretty well with his actions in the past (Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down),
You're right, it does. I think the direction was very deliberate though. Adama's gaze keeps returning to Tigh in a very pointed way. That was what tipped my reading over into thinking he was possibly outing himself. The behaviour alone is consistent with Tigh's (*cough* bad) commanding in the past.
The First Evil: Laura & Kara - starpolloasta77 on May 18th, 2008 04:12 pm (UTC)
Part 1
I'm sure it shocks him on several levels--firstly because he would be inclined to think it was a typical Baltar stunt, secondly because of the implications it holds that Roslin herself may be a Cylon. I'm really interested to see how this shapes the way he acts regarding her from now on.

I hadn't thought about the possibility that Lee may suspect Laura of being a Cylon. If he does, it certainly didn't alter his behavior towards her - he still tried to reach out to her and help her. He seems to want to see her continue as president because I think he believes there is no one better for the job. And considering he suspects that Kara could be a Cylon and has made it clear it wouldn't change his feelings, then he'd probably extend the same courtesy to Laura.

I was also intrigued by Zarek turning to Lee for answers in the Quorum scene. I can understand it on some levels--he comes from the military and people might suspect him of still knowing what's going on in their decision-making, especially given his family connection. But it felt like Lee's become somewhat of a leader in the Quorum in a brief time--they look to him as a bridge to Roslin, perhaps in part because he's willing to challenge her.

I go back to the comment Lee made in the first scene about having to be pushed through the door by the other delegates to confront Laura. Lee has a relationship with her they don't, even if it's strained right now. He was her military adviser. He led a mutiny to protect her and her office. He was with her when they split the fleet up. The assumption is, and I think it's a good one, if any one of them can reach Laura Roslin and reason with her it's going to be Lee Adama.

And I still don't understand the dynamic between the three individualised versions of Six, Leoben and Eight that we see talking, and the rest of them. If they're starting to become distinct from one another, how are they able to be so sure that all of their model will agree? How did these specific three come to be leaders?

I can rationalize why Leoben is a leader. He has a connection, via Kara, to the humans. But this Sharon isn't Boomer Sharon so why her? And how did Natalie come to lead them all? And why do the Six's each have individual names and the others don't? Are they more individualistic than the other models? And, if so, wouldn't there be more of a power struggle amongst them?

I do like that in Natalie proposing the resurrection ships being destroyed that the playing field is being leveled between the humans and Cylons. Not that humanity is going to forgive the Cylons any time soon, but the prospect in living with them in some way is a lot less scary if you know they can die like you can.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lee Apollobop_radar on May 19th, 2008 05:30 am (UTC)
Re: Part 1
I hadn't thought about the possibility that Lee may suspect Laura of being a Cylon. If he does, it certainly didn't alter his behavior towards her
I agree. I actually think I'm probably just optimistically projecting what I think the writers should be remembering onto the show. I just felt that any human would consider that option if someone confessed they were sharing dreams with Cylons. It wasn't specific to Lee or Laura. However, given how scattered the writing has been around this subject matter in Season 4, they probably didn't think about it. If they did, then yes, it reads as if he gives Laura the same grace he offered Kara. Which I'm happy about--I just wish we'd seen a little more of the thinking behind both perception-shifts on his part.

The assumption is, and I think it's a good one, if any one of them can reach Laura Roslin and reason with her it's going to be Lee Adama.
Yes, that makes sense--I think I'm just startled that the writers suddenly remembered that history again. Pleased but confused, you could say.

I can rationalize why Leoben is a leader. He has a connection, via Kara, to the humans.
Heh, because he kidnapped and tortured her, you mean? Sorry. Don't mind me--I'm evidently still a bit bitter. ;)

But this Sharon isn't Boomer Sharon so why her? And how did Natalie come to lead them all? And why do the Six's each have individual names and the others don't? Are they more individualistic than the other models? And, if so, wouldn't there be more of a power struggle amongst them?
So many questions! None of them answered! The show invites me to think about the Cylons and then my mind hits these obstacles and flies back from them again. I just find it all so frustratingly opaque.

the prospect in living with them in some way is a lot less scary if you know they can die like you can.
Yes, that's a really fundamental shift, I think. The first step towards the possibility of equalising things out between them.
The First Evil: Laura & Kara - starpolloasta77 on May 18th, 2008 04:13 pm (UTC)
Part 2
Also, I'm perplexed by the Centurions still following orders.

I don't think they were following orders. Leoben had talked to them and they agreed to go along with the plan. When the plan changed he said he would talk to them again. There seemed to be a concern about stopping them so I think they have the choice as to whether or not they wish follow the wishes of the others.

The Laura-Kara scene was brilliant. Such a contrast to their crazy gunpoint altercation. This quiet bedside scene had them connecting on a strange level. Kara recognises in Laura that she's struggling with a similar burden to Kara's. They both need answers: about the Hybrid's message, about the visions.

I really liked that scene. Everyone knows Kara returned from the dead and everyone (now) knows that Laura is sharing visions. They both shoulder the burden of having their every move and decision analyzed and questioned by everyone around them. At the same time, the fleet doesn't know the whole truth and each woman harbors secrets they are unwilling to share because they do not know yet what they mean. Suddenly, these two have a lot in common....and not just Lee. ;)

I don't know if you saw the promo for the next episode, and this isn't really spoilery, but there was a brief shot of Natalie. Rewatching the episode it struck me that Sharon, rather than shoot Natalie in the head or heart, guaranteeing her death, shot her twice in the chest and stomach. Did she mean to kill her or just make her suffer greatly counting on Cottle to save her? If Natalie lives that means that Adama/the Galactica has the Cylon leader while the Hybrid/basestar has the human leader. Could an exchange be in the works down the road? Or will each work to help further bridge the gap between human and Cylon?
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Kara destinybop_radar on May 19th, 2008 05:37 am (UTC)
Re: Part 2
There seemed to be a concern about stopping them so I think they have the choice as to whether or not they wish follow the wishes of the others.
Then they really really scare me. I think the humans should have been told about giving them free will and they should have been controlled (confined!) more. Of course the show is handwaving all this stuff, but any one Centurion could get irritated by a human and decide to nuke them. That's an enormous risk. Of course, it also says something really damning about humanity that it was Anders and Athena so far who have most jeopardised the alliance with their OTT emotional/personal reactions. And the Six who killed Jean too--but that's 2:1 for the humans.

Did she mean to kill her or just make her suffer greatly counting on Cottle to save her?
Mmm, interesting. I don't get the promos with my downloads so I didn't see that. I'm not sure Athena was thinking that clearly enough to know for sure what the outcome of her shooting would be.

At the same time, the fleet doesn't know the whole truth and each woman harbors secrets they are unwilling to share because they do not know yet what they mean. Suddenly, these two have a lot in common....and not just Lee. ;)
Hee! Yes, it's great! I am excited about more Roslin/Kara interaction now. They way they've been set up in opposition-yet-parallel to each other in the first half of season 4 has been one of the things I have liked.

If Natalie lives that means that Adama/the Galactica has the Cylon leader while the Hybrid/basestar has the human leader. Could an exchange be in the works down the road? Or will each work to help further bridge the gap between human and Cylon?
Either way, that's a pretty interesting set-up and one that works better for me that the initial Demetrius-hooks-up-with-basestar scenario.
dianora: bsg lee wayward sondianora2 on May 18th, 2008 08:07 pm (UTC)
I'm glad this ep made you feel better about things, I certainly felt that way too.

I'm not going to say anything about Sam. I can't be bothered wasting keystrokes on him.

OUCH. *g* Can't say I blame you, though, right about now.

And I still don't understand the dynamic between the three individualised versions of Six, Leoben and Eight that we see talking, and the rest of them. If they're starting to become distinct from one another, how are they able to be so sure that all of their model will agree? How did these specific three come to be leaders?

I don't really get this either but I think it's one of those things we're just supposed to accept and not question. ;P

Also, I'm perplexed by the Centurions still following orders.

I thought it was interesting that Natalie was mentioning them in her plans, just asssuming they would do her bidding. You can't really make that assumption anymore, honey.

On the one hand Yay! that it removes Gaius from his boring followers (and yay Laura for telling him to quit with the religious nonsense) but boo on the splitting the storyline up again just when it had amalgamated.

Agreed. I was excited that everyone was back together on the Galactica, only to have them split up AGAIN. I suspect that sort of thing will be happening a lot this season.

Do you watch the previews? I'm really excited about the next ep.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lee smilebop_radar on May 19th, 2008 05:42 am (UTC)
Can't say I blame you, though, right about now
When he hasn't shot someone I love and hasn't endangered people for a couple of eps, I will mellow up again. :)

I don't really get this either but I think it's one of those things we're just supposed to accept and not question. ;P
Sigh. Yes. There's a lot of that.

I thought it was interesting that Natalie was mentioning them in her plans, just asssuming they would do her bidding. You can't really make that assumption anymore, honey.
I know! I want one of the Centurions to come up to the table and be all 'beeep, beep, red flashing light, grumble' about something. Perhaps they need more oil for their hinges or something and want that as part of the negotiations. ;D

I was excited that everyone was back together on the Galactica, only to have them split up AGAIN. I suspect that sort of thing will be happening a lot this season.
Grr. That is frustrating. :(

No, I didn't see the preview--I don't get it with my download. But I'm excited if you're excited! Does it have LEE?!
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K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Kara destinybop_radar on May 19th, 2008 05:55 am (UTC)
I would hate for you to end up distressed about every episode, especially since it's so close to ending
Thank you! I was MISERABLE last week. The show has held me enthralled for so long.

I think it's a) a shortcut for time reasons and b) more of what we've seen before; only a few Cylons from each model become distinct and reach self-awareness, while the others cluster together and follow a leader
I'm sure you're right. I'm not sure how satisfying I find that because I find it hard to comprehend how that works, but I will have to live with it.

But how weird was it to see the humans with their vipers on the Basestar hanger deck while the cylon copies walked around with them? It disturbed me a little, frankly.
Same! And that makes me think of the implications of them becoming differentiated, including the fact that any of them could break loose at any time ... eek!

Sharon's shooting of Natalie convinced me it's possible the Six might be the dying leader who will lead her people, especially with the way she talked about leading the Cylons to the Quorum.
Ohhhh. I had not thought of that! OMG, that's a very cool twist. I think I'm having the opposite reaction to you and thinking that it could let Laura off the hook--she may not even HAVE to die! There was magic fetus blood last time, after all. Also, I would far, far prefer the dying leader to be a Cylon--it would solve some of my problems with the fact that the Cylons seem to be destined to reach Earth. It would also provide greater tie in both ways between the Cylon and human religions, rather than it being a one-way 'humans adopt Cylon's religion' scenario.

But I'm glad that we know now it's likely Kara is the harbinger of death for the Cylons, in her new quest to destroy the Resurrection Hub, and not the person who could possibly annihilate the human race.
I hadn't thought of it that way either. Am I completely dense? I'd so reconciled myself to the idea of Kara being the endpoint of humanity, LOL.

Hopefully we'll all be rewarded at the end of this show for our commitment to it, and won't be left going "what the frak?!"
I hope so. But I'm braced for the worst just in case. ;)
(Anonymous) on May 19th, 2008 06:17 pm (UTC)
Tigh protecting himself
Also, I loved that Tigh was so hardcore and committed to nuking the resurrection hub and trusting the president. It's ironic that two of the most hardcore human supporters in this ep, resisting the alliance, are Cylons: Tigh and Athena.


I don't think Tigh was being "hardcore and committed." He wanted to nuke the resurrection hub to kill the Deanna line and make sure the Deannas couldn't finger him as being a Cylon.

K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!bop_radar on May 19th, 2008 11:12 pm (UTC)
Re: Tigh protecting himself
Good call! I agree Tigh has a double motive. I just find it fascinating that this dovetails with the way he's always been a staunch/hardcore anti-Cylon voice from the beginning.