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06 June 2008 @ 09:45 pm
Smallville conflict  
So I'm drunk and opinionated.

I am totally conflicted, yo! The fact that Lois has not been given a full season is a FUCKING TRAGEDY.

But I'm glad that Oliver is coming back. Yeah, yeah, throw rocks at me, whatever. Justin's a great actor, he and Tom spark really well off each other, and the show was going to be dull as dishwater without something. You seriously think Jimmy was going to create enough interesting plot material to fill 22 eps? o.O Also GA will up the male nudity factor and I can't believe that any true SV fan finds that a bad thing. (What show have you been watching?!)

I'm also happy about Lana being back. DEAL.

Lois not being given a full season? That's something to get upset about. *hates on the CW or DC or whoever the fuck is responsible for that*

Tom Welling, the things I do for love of you... watching Season 8 could cause my soul to shrivel up and die.

Tomorrow I have to have blood extracted from me. This week I gave myself a black eye, and bruised my collarbone and the bit of my thigh right above my knee. I also wore a top inside-out and back-to-front to work (thereby wandering around for the first half an hour of my work day with the tag sticking out from my breasts at everyone), poured tea all over my desk (including over page proof and new book advances) and made the tap in the bathroom explode all over my nice pants so that I looked like I'd wet myself.

You can't hate on me any better than I already do. :D
 
 
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brokenmnemonic: Clois - Strange Timebrokenmnemonic on June 6th, 2008 12:28 pm (UTC)
Still only half a season for Lois? WTF. Ok, you may be happy over the male nudity factor, but that doesn't help me - I've got to watch Chloe for an entire season, but Lois only gets a half? Bah.

When you say Lana's back - is that full season?

It sounds as if you've been having a rough week on all counts. For future reference, it's your evil publisher woman you should pour tea all over and give a black eye too. Extracting blood from her could also be good, if she has any.

I'm sorry you're having a rough week, though. I may need to go find some more jaffa cakes to mail your way...
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Clois hugbop_radar on June 6th, 2008 12:39 pm (UTC)
Yup, her regular 14 eps for Lois.

Only 6 or 7 eps for Lana, which I think is promising. I need more closure about her, but I don't think she should be in the full season because that would shift the dynamic too much. Though I guess my hopes that the show would have a Clois focus are getting swept down the drain anyway...

Yeah, Chloe Chloe Chloe every week. *yawns*

I was really waiting for some good news about SV to hook me in to next season... after Michael leaving, I needed something more than this. I like Ollie, and he will help. But I worry about the season as a whole.
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Naomi: Clex It's the end by lidifrelling_tralk on June 6th, 2008 12:28 pm (UTC)
:nods: Totally. They had like no cast compared to season 7 with Lex, Lana, Kara, and Lionel! Even if Oliver takes over all of Lex's screentime alone, there's still plenty of space to fill.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lex juicebop_radar on June 6th, 2008 12:34 pm (UTC)
I have always prided myself on taking whatever joy I can from SV, even when it's imperfect, but the prospect of Season 8 is seriously trying my nerves...

I think part of my lack of faith is that casting decisions seem to be getting decided for reasons other than narrative purposes: e.g. the unwillingness of the network to offer bigger salaries to actors, the fact that Justin is contracted to the CW, DC restrictions on Lois... it doesn't fill me confidence that a lot of thought is getting put into what this season means for Clark and the how the dynamics as a whole will work.
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K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lois duhbop_radar on June 6th, 2008 12:45 pm (UTC)
made it seem like the issue is not DC related which makes it even more frustrating and inexplicable
Inexplicable is right. They've got to be out of their brains not to get Erica for a full season if it's possible. I'm disappointed in Kelly and Brian--they write great Clois material, I'm baffled why they wouldn't push for more Lois.

I know about JH's contract arrangements and I was excited about the prospect of getting him back for Smallville. But I'm not convinced that the Season 8 dynamic as a whole will do him any favours, let alone the show overall! I guess I need to find my zen inner-faith place, but it's eluding me so far....

This is so weird for me though. I almost NEVER peak at casting spoilers so the whole flipping out about a season before it's even occurred thing feels very transgressive...

My week is actually kinda average. I just wanted to get in the body-blows myself before anyone else did. ;)
roxymissroseroxymissrose on June 6th, 2008 12:41 pm (UTC)
I also wore a top inside-out and back-to-front to work (thereby wandering around for the first half an hour of my work day with the tag sticking out from my breasts at everyone)

You are not alone.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Yay!bop_radar on June 6th, 2008 12:46 pm (UTC)
Heeee! This pleases me more than I can say.
redteekal: arielo4ka Clois Iconredteekal on June 6th, 2008 12:44 pm (UTC)
I concur with your sentiments about not bringing Lois back for the full season....ED has definitely grown on me. And I shall share the glee that is having JH there for many episodes...I thank TPTB really because I don't think I could handle an escalation of the Jimmy factor....I was hoping for a de-escalation actually, or at least a complete ten steps to the left OUT of Chloe's orbit altogether.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Oliverbop_radar on June 6th, 2008 12:48 pm (UTC)
Hee! You know, originally I really liked Jimmy. But that episode where he and Chloe tangoed BROKE ME. I do not need to see that again! And I feel he should remain firmly in the 'minor character' realm on this show. So I guess I'm pro any direction that takes the spotlight away from Jimmy and I feel GA will kick it all over him in a satisfactory fashion.
huzzlewhathuzzlewhat on June 6th, 2008 12:48 pm (UTC)
I'm right there with you on the Lois question. I nearly cried when I heard she wasn't getting a full season. (Well, not cried, but was REALLY DISAPPOINTED!)

Oliver, I'm torn about. I'm one of the people who loved how he was used in S6, because I saw him as being a sort of proxy-way to explore Clark-Lex issues at a point in the story's development when Clark and Lex could no longer interact. I didn't think it was all about Oliver, as opposed to using Oliver as an alternate "in" to the underlying Clark-Lex themes.

Now that Lex is gone, I'm not sure how they'll use Oliver — but I'm willing to wait and see, because Clark and Oliver have good interaction, and with the loss of Lana (mostly), Martha, and Lionel, that would leave Chloe as the only person who knows Clark's secret — his only confidante. And damn, would that get old fast.

And no, you can't build a season around Chloe and Jimmy. Or at least I can't. "Sleeper" proved that to me. They're just not that interesting (to me).

And hey! Shirtless Oliver! Not a bad thing!
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lollie yogabop_radar on June 6th, 2008 12:53 pm (UTC)
RIGHT!

I thought I would cry when I found out about Lois. But actually I just went ragey. Ragey and really pissed off. Except I don't even know who to direct my rage AT! *fumes*

I loved how Oliver was used in S6 too. The triangles in particular drew me in. Oliver was, to me, commentary on my two favourite dynamics: Clark-Lois and Clark-Lex. There as no bad! Oliver in Season 8 will be a different scenario; there's no Lex and he and Lois are over. It's hard to imagine that... I do think there's potential to show Clark defining himself against Oliver, but I don't think that will fill a lot of screen time, no.

'Sleeper' was the 'Ageless' of Season 7. It needs to never happen again.
Kate: Clark - amazing Nemesis shotmskatej on June 6th, 2008 01:00 pm (UTC)
lol <3

My problem is that, while I don't hate Justin Hartley or GA, I also don't give a shit about him either. So his presence next season isn't a selling point, and in fact, it just makes me think about how much I would miss Lex. The one thing I wanted to see -- a season worth of Clark/Lois interaction -- is clearly not happening. Added to that, I can't fucking stand Chloe, Jimmy doesn't interest me, Kara doesn't interest me, Lex and Lionel have gone, and Lana is only going to be in it for a few eps.

I really love Clark but is he enough reason to watch a show I no longer care about?
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Clois runbop_radar on June 6th, 2008 01:07 pm (UTC)
Agreed that the problem comes down to: is Clark alone enough to make me watch a show I otherwise care nothing about?

(I can't believe I'm talking spoilers!)

So far my scoreboard for S8 is as follows:

Pro
Some Lana but not too much
Some Oliver

Con
Shitloads of Chloe and Jimmy
Not enough Lois
No Lex
No Martha or Lionel either

That's... not inspiring. I am waivering in my fannishness, Kate!

Why couldn't it have been the Clois season?! WHY?!!!
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supacat: vengencesupacat on June 6th, 2008 01:29 pm (UTC)
FLRAAARGH! That Lois news just has me bashing my head repeatedly into the desk.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Blair sulkbop_radar on June 7th, 2008 01:10 am (UTC)
YUH.

send me more of that thing!
dm_wyatt: brooding clarkdm_wyatt on June 6th, 2008 01:32 pm (UTC)
*hugs*

I don't know why Lois isn't working more... with Lex gone and Lana barely there, they need her more.

It's mystifying, but I'm glad for Justin just hope that the "exploring origins" part of his storyline doesn't come off as lame as it sounds.

*HUGS*

K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Oliverbop_radar on June 7th, 2008 01:14 am (UTC)
I don't think the Oliver plot will be that lame. Ever since we found out Lex killed his parents I've been hoping we'd see more about Oliver's past, Perhaps that's just me though...
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Cris: SV - season 8duskwillow on June 6th, 2008 01:45 pm (UTC)
Mwah, I just posted an entry on why having Ollie in season 8 might be a good thing for Clark and Lois. Glad to see I'm not the only one happy with him becoming a regular. :)

I'll also join you in being pissed over Lois news.
Personally I think it's time for Lois fans to stop waiting patiently for better times and make some noise, let CW and TPTB know we're here, and there's a lot of us. And at least try to make them realize they need to give her at least 18 episodes.
*cough* If you'd like to voice your worries / love for Lois feedback@cwtv.com is a good address to write to.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Blair yelloqbop_radar on June 7th, 2008 01:15 am (UTC)
I'm really happy about the Oliver news, but miserable about the Lois news. *torn*

Normally I'd never consider contacting a network about show direction, but I'm very very close to doing that now...
Erintigergal05 on June 6th, 2008 02:14 pm (UTC)
I completely agree with you on Lois..how is season 8 supposed to be about Clark and Lois if she is only going to be in 12 to 13 episodes? It doesn't jive well with me, to be honest. I don't mind Lana coming back for a couple episodes..I've expected her to be back for 6-7 episodes, considering that the CW reps said she was going to be in 'one-third' of season 8.
Oliver coming back! I couldn't be happier..actually I could..if Lois came back for at least 16 episodes!

We all have our bad days..all we can do is laugh at them ;-).
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Clois kissbop_radar on June 7th, 2008 01:17 am (UTC)
Yeah, I'd be waaaay happier about Lois being in it it more than I am about Oliver. But the Oliver news is the first really good news about the season, for me.

I wanted my Clois season, dammit!
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gildinwengildinwen on June 6th, 2008 02:36 pm (UTC)
I don't understand WHY they're not giving Lois a full season. It just gives the people who don't like the Lois character something else to point at,and it mean that half of her character development is off screen, which means that some people, (See my point above,) won't accept her as Lois Lane.
From a purely cynical point of view, perhaps it's the fact they know that Allison/Chloe has a large fan following, and they are trying to keep them with the show? After Michael left they may be worried about losing any more viewers. Perhaps they think if they give Chloe, the full 22, and only give Lois 13, they'll stay with the show?
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!bop_radar on June 7th, 2008 01:19 am (UTC)
You could be right and I hate that. The AM fans are so annoyingly vocal. I don't actually believe there are more Chloe fans than Lois fans among the general public, but I DO think the show producers may be more aware of them because of how much they dominate the fandom. The producers are fools if they're taking this path rather than thinking about what will actually serve the best storytelling potential.
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K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: MR dorkbop_radar on June 7th, 2008 01:19 am (UTC)
Hee!
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K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: FNL girlsbop_radar on June 7th, 2008 01:21 am (UTC)
Aww, thanks. It wasn't so bad--it was more just hilarious.
serenography: kkBWmanipserenography on June 6th, 2008 02:51 pm (UTC)
Hee! I'm so glad I'm not the only one who posts drunk on occasion. *taps glasses with you* (only mine's coffee right now).

I share your conflict about a lot of this. I do like Justin a LOT, but I have concerns about how they will use him. But more Clark and Ollie scenes are fine by me, particularly since we have no more Lex. Sniff...

Erica absolutely should have been bumped up to a full-time presence on this show for this final season. Without trying to sound hateful, I just can't fathom that they brought back Allison full-time instead. I think the rest of the SV cast need to hire Allison's PR person - if I hear her referred to as "fan favorite" one more time, I'll scream.

Maybe I'm just being optimistic, but I'm still hoping there's a chance we'll hear that Erica has been given the full-season gig. I know this season had some major budget cuts, but losing Michael and Kristin (2/3) has to have freed a good amount of salary money, right?

I am not conflicted about watching or not though. I'm too much of a Tom fan to not watch. There are places they could go that will make me hit the mute and fast-forward a lot though.

Sorry, I had to laugh about your inside-out shirt thing. I do stuff like that ALL the time. I've gone to work with 2 different shoes on before. Oy.
It does sound like you need to wrap yourself in bubble wrap for a while though. A Black eye! *pets you*
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Blair sulkbop_radar on June 7th, 2008 01:25 am (UTC)
. *taps glasses with you* (only mine's coffee right now)
Ohhh, coffee! :D

I just can't fathom that they brought back Allison full-time instead. I think the rest of the SV cast need to hire Allison's PR person - if I hear her referred to as "fan favorite" one more time, I'll scream.
Yeah, I think I'm going to stop being quiet about my dislike of the Allison-favoratism that goes on. It seems like Allison's PR person got a sweet deal, and for whatever reason TPTB think Chloe's more important than Lois. I don't get that at ALL from a storytelling perspective, and I especially don't get why they couldn't both be given 22 eps.

There's no way I won't watch--I'm a completionist and I don't think I could bear the thought of an SV ep out there that I hadn't seen--but I might mutter and complain a lot more than usual. ;)

. I do stuff like that ALL the time. I've gone to work with 2 different shoes on before. Oy.
Oh good! That beats my two different socks hands down! :D

It does sound like you need to wrap yourself in bubble wrap for a while though. A Black eye! *pets you*
I'm learning firetwirling (Maori poi) and hitting myself in the eye with a tennis ball is becoming rather a regular event.
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Melissa: Louise Brooksradioreverie on June 6th, 2008 03:49 pm (UTC)
It really makes no sense at ALL they they haven't hired Erica full-time next season. IT'S THE FINAL SEASON. LOIS IS THE SECOND MOST IMPORTANT CHARACTER IN THE ENTIRE SUPERMAN MYTHOS. THEY NEED TO BRING HER CHARACTER TO HER RIGHTFUL CONCLUSION.


I HAVE ALL-CAPS RAGE.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lee smilebop_radar on June 7th, 2008 01:25 am (UTC)
IT IS ONLY FITTING! AAAAARRRRGGGHHHHH!
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daybreak777: mojito!daybreak777 on June 6th, 2008 04:15 pm (UTC)
Dang, Boppy. That is a tough (or at least awkward) week. Sounds like you need that stiff drink, maybe three. And some rest. When I'm really, really tired I start bumping into stuff. Just misjudge and then, 'Ow!' Get some rest, honey. Enough sleep can make one feel downright optimistic!

As for me, I dunno about SV. I'll have to think it over during the break. Lex and Lionel were grounding forces. And I liked their darkness. I'm okay with Chloe but unless she goes totally dark (interesting . . .), I don't know.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Oliverbop_radar on June 7th, 2008 01:26 am (UTC)
I bump into things lots, but it's the firetwirling that is causing the bruises at the moment. It's a good thing there's no actual fire yet! ;)
Dualbunny: Bubbahotep - Oh Crap - deadlyduodualbunny on June 6th, 2008 04:53 pm (UTC)
Oh, honey...here's to hoping today is going better for you? :\ ::hugs::
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: DW Madame Pompadourbop_radar on June 7th, 2008 01:26 am (UTC)
Hee! Thanks! I am currently resting after fainting at my blood test. :) There is a warm dog on me.
tragicllyhiptragicllyhip on June 6th, 2008 04:56 pm (UTC)
Why you yelling at us? lol, and SV has no money, I'm guessing thats why no Erica for a full 22, they wouldn't have room for another person on the cast if they did that, and hence Justin which I'm not going to think about too hard because him being on the show with diminished Clark almost made me stop watching. But I'm guessing they don't care about me, lol. Either way, Tom is pretty, I'll watch until i lose interest enough to stop watching. Lana staying for a few eps, fine, whatever, I haven't missed her, but she doesn't bother me when she's there.
tragicllyhiptragicllyhip on June 6th, 2008 04:57 pm (UTC)
AND what is up with your week? I thought mine was shitty, dear GOD lets hope things go up from here, I'm really sorry to hear you're having a crap time. MY utmost sympathies:)
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K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Raaarrrghhh!Tyrabop_radar on June 7th, 2008 01:05 am (UTC)
I don't see any reason or purpose for Chloe to be on the show. I see that the writers find her useful though--they can palm off all the exposition to her and use her hacking powers to create plot loopholes. *yawns* But in terms of bringing dramatic power to the story, I don't know how they can turn down Erica!!

it IS the producers who are choosing to only keep Erica at 13 episodes, stating that it'll stay that way unless Lois is needed for more... wtf?? Of course shes needed for more... people complain about her development and they don't think that having her in more than 13 episodes will show it better?
GAH GAH GAH! The producers are CRAZYCAKES! Of course she is needed! She's the only person who's got a clear continuing arc of growth to complete, other than Clark now. Lana's short spell on the show, will, I'm sure, be closure for her journey. Jimmy is just Jimmy--there's no real journey for him. Lex is gone... what the fuck are they going to be doing all season? Not having Lois in some eps feels weird and artificial. I can't believe they voluntarily chose this option.
Vicki: Adam just a minutemyownghost on June 6th, 2008 05:11 pm (UTC)
semi-naked justin hartley is always cause for celebration. oh my stars, but that young man has a beautiful body. and charisma to burn, too. you're right about his chemistry with TW.

i'm trying to cheer myself up over MR being absent next year. i got into the show for lex. good thing i learned to love clark too.

only half a year of lois, though? i was looking forward to lots of ED's spunky charm.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Boppybop_radar on June 7th, 2008 01:00 am (UTC)
Right! Justin is superlatively beautiful and I love his snark, and his friends-but-opposites relationship with Clark. Plus he makes Metropolis seem fullly comic-book and that's fun.

Yes, it's a good thing I grew to love Clark too though... because I sure will miss Lex.
Nora Norwich: Lois lovelynorwich36 on June 6th, 2008 05:13 pm (UTC)
Oh, THANK YOU. I keep reading people's angry rants, and trying to compose something diplomatic, and then x-ing out, because I'm actually really, really excited about Oliver coming back. In fact, it's the one thing that makes it likely I will stick with season 8, which otherwise fills me with dread, especially given the continued limited role with Lois. (WTF is up with that? I assume it has something to do with $$--the CW is apparently going bankrupt or something--but how expensive could ED really BE?)

I'm sorry that your week has been so lousy. *Hugs*
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Ericabop_radar on June 7th, 2008 12:58 am (UTC)
it's the one thing that makes it likely I will stick with season 8, which otherwise fills me with dread, especially given the continued limited role with Lois.
You and I are as one. Season 8 was looking seriously lameass until the news about Oliver. Now I am just conflicted. I still think it will be lameass, but clearly I will be watching it... ;) But every ep without Lois in it is going to piss me off.

I don't think ED would be expensive at ALL! I can't imagine she'd cost more than Allison, and they had enough money to give her a 22 episode season. If they've got money for new cast members too, then they could have had ED for the full season.
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katiebugs18: Vampirekatiebugs18 on June 6th, 2008 07:13 pm (UTC)
I love drunk and opinionated.

I can't comment on SV as I don't watch but agree that TPTB at CW are retarded.

Also, I'm sorry you had such a bad week. Take this weekend to relax and I'm sure next week will be better.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Kara/Lee lolbop_radar on June 7th, 2008 12:55 am (UTC)
TPTB at CW are retarded.
Yes, yes, they are.
svgurl: lois/erica dark hairsvgurl on June 6th, 2008 08:03 pm (UTC)
I've been very pro Ollie returning. I don't think Ollie took away from Clark in "Siren" so I doubt that will happen now. Justin himself has said in the s6 companion that the show is about Clark ... I think it'll be fine. Plus, pretty boys who are willing to take off their shirts are always good with me.

Plus, Jimmy was cute enough s6 but really? This Jimmy and Clark are not going to be really close friends. Clark is better off with Oliver. So are the rest of us.

As for Lois, YES. I agree. She needs at least 18. This is her fifth season! I expect a bit more respect ... she's playing Lois freaking Lane! :( 13 episodes just isn't good enough anymore.

And I'm sorry you're having such a rough week! *hugs* I hope things get better!

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K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lois smirkbop_radar on June 7th, 2008 12:55 am (UTC)
I don't think Ollie took away from Clark in "Siren" so I doubt that will happen now. Justin himself has said in the s6 companion that the show is about Clark ... I think it'll be fine
I agree. I have found their use of Oliver very respectful of Clark's character--he's used as a point of contrast and I think that improves the overall show dynamic. Plus, I love seeing Clark interact with him and am excited about their friendship continuing.
Nickyobsessive24 on June 7th, 2008 12:09 am (UTC)
Oliver is coming back? *does dance of awesomeness*
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Oliverbop_radar on June 7th, 2008 12:52 am (UTC)
He is. And some people are ragey about this. Me, I'm \o/.