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04 October 2008 @ 08:53 pm
Vidding chat: First vids  
I was so thrilled by the response to the first vidding chat last week. Thank you to everyone that shared! I was especially pleased to see people chatting among themselves in the comments--please always feel free to do so.

This week, I've got a vid deadine (for Vidukon looming, so I beg your understanding. I am a little distracted. ;) One day maybe we'll have to have a chat dedicated to how-the-hell-you-vid-to-a-deadline-because-I-sure-as-hell-can't!

Anyway, meanwhile I wanted to invite everyone this week to share the story of how you took your first steps into vidding. What was the first vid you made and what made you take the plunge into vidding? If you haven't (yet) made a vid yourself, feel free to tell us about the vids you dream of making one day.

First vids are a funny thing... they often hold a special place in our hearts even if we look back on them and wince a little at their clumsiness. I think they're worth celebrating no matter how clunky, because taking those first steps is really scary and the learning curve is so huge in those first stages. I'm sure there are some vidders who learn lots of tech before releasing any vid at all to the world at large, but for me, I was pretty much partying the minute I laid any clip sequence at all on the timeline. And I was, I admit it, a little in love with seeing my own vision come to life before my eyes. It's a magical moment and I think it's something worth hanging on to.

Having moved on to other vids subsequently, I still find I look back to that first vid and remember the joy and also the frustration associated with it. In many ways, not much has changed. I am still frustrated by the tech and by my limitations as a vidder, and I am still thrilled when I get to see things come together that I was never sure would see the light of day. At the same time, I feel like I've come a long way... no, I'd never make that vid that way again, but I also love it for being so exactly what it is, a first vid, and working anyway.

- What was your first vid? (If you feel comfortable enough, you could link to it.)
- Why did you make it?
- How long did it take you?
- What did you have to do/overcome to complete it?
- What did you learn making it?
- How do you feel about it now? Do you still love it?
- What was the hardest thing about making it?
- How did you feel posting it and sharing it with others?
- Do you have any tips for those thinking about making a vid for the first time?
- If you haven't made a vid, what is the closest you've come to doing so? or what is the vid you'd most like to make?
- Are there any 'first vids' out there by other vidders that you love? (Please feel free to rec them! First vids can be so exciting as a glimpse of a new vidders' vision.)

I told the story of my first vid, very briefly, here. What I didn't fully explain is that I made it for a friend, kristiinthedark. She'd recently started watching BSG and loved Kara and Leoben. Back then there weren't nearly so many vids on the subject and so I hoped she'd be pretty happy with any vid at all of them... the track I found tonally captured the claustrophobia of the connection and I hoped that that would carry the vid despite newbie vidder issues... and the ship had the advantage of having a limited amount of source material. All of those aspects made it a lot easier to tackle. I didn't think about producing a perfect vid while making it, I thought about making something for a friend... and that was a lot easier, because it allowed me not to get paralysed by my own high standards.

It's pretty funny that my first vid is of Kara/Leoben because I've subsequently become so annoyed by that plot... and even at the time it threatened my own ship, Kara/Lee. But in a weird way I like that my first vidding choice was offbeat--it shows I was genuinely interested in the vidding itself, even if I didn't know it yet. And as it happens the vidding bug stuck with me. ;) What I also didn't realise going in is something I'm still constantly astonished by: the degree to which vidding a character allows you to develop compassion for them, even if you don't naturally feel in tune with them.

What is the story of your first vid?

ETA: Over 70 'first vid' stories were collected here in 2007.
 
 
 
daybreak777: daybreak mountains-no namedaybreak777 on October 4th, 2008 03:31 pm (UTC)
My first vid: Part 1
This post makes me kinda shy. Thanks to Bop for saying how first vids hold a place in your heart, even though you may wince a little when you see your mistakes. I love my first vid, I only made it a few months ago. And there is nothing I would change, I did my best. But I am a bit shy linking to it for all you 'real' vidders to see. Maybe I will toward the end of this comment.

Why did I make my first vid? I had wanted a couple of vids made. I thought I'd just buy them at Sweet Charity or something. I love vids and watch them a lot. But there was a sneaking suspicion I had that even if I could win the auction, even if I commissioned a vid, would someone else make it the way I wanted? As the vid bunnies nibbled away at me for two years, I realized no on could make them the way they was in my head.

Second reason, like Bop, I had very good friend whose birthday was coming up. Her OTP on BSG was rare, undervidded, and I guess I just thought it would surprise her and make her happy. But since first vid would have mistakes I wanted the vid gift not to have, what would be my 'practice' vid?

Since I now had birthday deadline (woe to vid deadlines but yay, for making a dealine!), I knew I had two months to now make two vidoes. Could I do it? I didn't know if I could. I e-mailed Bop and she said, "Sure you can, yay, vidding!" I was like, yeah, right. I didn't have a clue what I was doing.

But I just jumped in anyway. I read some tutorials and vidding meta. It all gave me a headache and I wasn't ready for any of it. I nearly gave up right there. The best piece of advice I found was to do use an AVI you already had, whatever vidding software you had on your HD, a song, and to just GO. I chose my own OTP on BSG, Kara and Lee, to get started. I chose a song I've loved for 15 years and knew every nuance of. (Or so I thought.) There are so many Kara/Lee vids out there. So many. But that didn't worry me. It was my OTP and every scene they've been in is imprinted on my brain. It was easy to pick clips. And well, hope was low in my little K/L shipper community. But I saw hope in the last season! Others probably had too, but no one had vidded with season 4 clips yet. And I love them and decided to pour every ounce of love and hope I have and have had for them into this vid. Writing this now, I realized that's what kept me going. Yeah, I had the birthday deadline for my friend. But I wanted people to see this couple as I did. Their foreverness. I also made the vid for myself. So I could watch my little story over and over and convince myself.

Wow! That is quite personal. Don't know if you all want to read that part of it, so on to basics. Was it hard to post my first vid? Yes, I was very nervous. Even twice betaed I was nervous. I saw the slowness, extra frames, and I knew it wasn't perfect. But that didn't matter. The vid had my heart in it, would anyone see that? What if they didn't and just critized every single flaw I could see in it? Oh, well, I hoped people would see past that. And even if not, I had to get it done. Birthday dealine was coming!

The hardest part of the vidding was the clipping. Learning to clip the scenes to the music. By the end, I got the climax of the scene (in the downloaded version, not Imeem) to be right on. The rest wasn't but if that moment worked, I decided not to mess with the vid any more. It was done.

Oh! My most squeeful 'technical' moment is at minute 1:48 where I used a fade for the very first time. I remember being annoyed and sleep-deprived as I waited for the draft, for the program to spit out my very first vid baby. I waited, then watched. And watched a transition that totally worked and no one else had ever vidded it quite that way before. Except me. My first little movie and little special effect. It was a totally awesome moment for me as vidder.
daybreak777: sunrisedaybreak777 on October 4th, 2008 03:35 pm (UTC)
Re: My first vid: Part 2
What did I personally learn about vidding? To never give up if you have a vision. That you can conquer your vidding challenges with time and perserverance. And that each vidder has something different to say. To find your own voice and not be afraid to share it. And if your vid has heart, your heart, it will show right through. That's the feedback I got on my vid. People got it, my little show characters whom I love so hard. If anyone new is reading this, you put your heart into something and they will see yours too. :-)

My vid took me three weeks to make. Lots of IMing and e-mails with my two betas. I didn't need as much help with actual story or clip choosing, but it was nice to have encouragement. I continue to struggle with editing and trimming but the results are worth it. My heart still soars when I watch my first vid. It's called Romeo and Juliet and it's here. Creating that fade transition is when I fell in love with vidding. Yup. The idea that I can make my own story for people to see on screen. And I can do it again and again! How do other people not know this? I completely forgot any vidding angst and was ready to dive right in again. And I did. :-)

Thanks for reading my long story. What about you guys, does your first video have your heart?
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Re: My first vid: Part 2 - daybreak777 on October 4th, 2008 07:12 pm (UTC) (Expand)
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Call Me OneTrackcallmeonetrack on October 4th, 2008 04:18 pm (UTC)
Yay for vidding chats! I'm so glad you're hosting these Bop.

I just made my first vid, Shine a few weeks ago. It's a BSG shipper video for L/K. I'm a writer and have never done anything like manipulating video clips before but I'd enjoyed other people's vids and found this song, Shine by Anna Nalick, that I'd loved when I'd first heard it and it had so many lyrics that reminded me of these characters and their relationship that the idea of vidding it got to me.

But I hesitated a while because I had no idea how to vid. I read a lot of other vidders entries and admired their vids and gathered that windows movie maker could do the trick and was free/already on my computer. I posted that I was thinking about vidding and got lots of kind words and encouragement from other LJers. Finally I decided to just experiment with it and see if I liked it. I was off and running.

I learned that vidding was very time consuming because first you had to download everything then you had to cut all the clips perfectly and I was frustrated by not being able to work non-linearly and then I had some weird issue with my song track looking like it was 25 minutes when it was three. (I relied heavily on a new lj friend I'd made, daybreak777 who was so kind and patient and tried to help me sort everything out.) Despite my frustrations, as I neared the end of getting all the clips in place, I started to get obsessed by vidding! It probably took me about 2 or 3 weeks all together, and the last week contained a lot of nearly sleep-free nights.

I finally finished it and sent it to two people to beta and their criticisms were spot on and suggested I go back and fix problems I kind of knew were there but had rushed because I so wanted to finish it. I did a second round of editing and it worked much better. I tried to cut the clips so that images and transitions coincided with climactic beats and changes in the song. I'm not sure I got it exactly. (Again my newness and the limits of WMM came into play.) But I reached a point where I couldn't think of anymore changes I wanted to make.

So I sent it out into the world and I was proud of it. It didn't have a lot of fancy special effects but it had a narrative structure and it had some good choices of images to match the lyrics and it had all my favorite shipper moments rolled into the climax of the song (probably where I was technicaly sloppiest, but I didn't care that much because I wanted those clips all there.)

And just last week I got my next vid idea bunny! Now I need to decide if I can bear WMM again (which started crashing every two minutes towards the end of my last one) or what other free/cheap options are out there.
daybreak777: karadaybreak777 on October 4th, 2008 07:15 pm (UTC)
And just last week I got my next vid idea bunny!
Yay, for new vid bunnies! You're hooked now. I wonder, what was the moment that hooked you and makes you want to vid again?
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daybreak777: Koboldaybreak777 on October 4th, 2008 06:48 pm (UTC)
"But is it saying anything?"
Hee, this is a funny and nice memory for me. Are you finally convinced it is saying something? :-)

And then I was attacked by a mob of vid bunnies. The end.
Hee! Oh noes! I wonder if it's because we are new? Do more experienced vidders continue to get mobbed with reproducing bunnies, I wonder?

They don’t have to be a vidder buddy, just someone to squee with is so, so helpful and encouraging. Vidding: don’t keep it to yourself!
It is awesome to have a buddy. Or buddies. And you are so right. I was so going to vid alone and in sekrit. I am SO glad I didn't. :-)
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chasa: viddingchasarumba on October 4th, 2008 08:25 pm (UTC)
Wow, these questions are surprisingly hard to answer! Not because of the questions, but because I made my first vid over 5 years ago and my brain IS A SIEVE.

It was a Jossverse vid about Darla and Connor. The song is cheesy and not a very good fit (this was one of the few cases where I went looking for a song to fit a topic, with poor results). I was using basic editing software and the tech is rather awful. I rendered it out in quality that was good for the time (nobody was putting out 50 MB vids at that point since high-speed connections weren't as common), but now looks simply horrid...I didn't have a DVD burner then, so I didn't bother archiving a high quality render for my own records. I wasn't connected with a community of vidders yet, so I had no information resources to draw upon and was basically stumbling around in the dark and it shows.

But I remember a moment during the editing of the vid, when I had laid down the clips that built to the peak of the song and I previewed it -- there were tears! And chills! Because I made that happen! It was like magic, knowing I could use this medium to say something about the shows/movies I loved. So, yeah -- I will always love that vid despite its many obvious flaws...and it is still available for download on my site, in exactly the same state as it was originally released. I will never, ever remaster it. I like being honest about where I started, and plus, leaving that hot mess on my site might encourage a new vidder -- no matter what kind of start you get in vidding, you can get better!

As far as tips go, mine would be JUST DO IT. Make a vid. Try not to let yourself be paralyzed by information and tech concerns and other peoples' opinions about what constitutes good vidding...there's so much time for that stuff LATER. You have to find out if you enjoy vidding first, if it's something you want to pursue. And there's no way you can find out if you enjoy vidding without getting that first vid under your belt.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Faithbop_radar on October 4th, 2008 11:43 pm (UTC)
That is a wonderful first vid story! I watched the vid (I love Darla and Connor!) and I love that you left it as is. There is something very pure and honest about that, as you say.

You use effects in that first vid that I am still terrified to try (I am so phobic of effects) so I love the bravery I can see in it.

And yes, I think leaving first vids available for others to see is a great way to encourage new vidders. It's not like we all burst into vidding with a perfect understanding of either the tech or the creative nuances! And it's also surprising how much can be achieved with a first vid.

Try not to let yourself be paralyzed by information and tech concerns and other peoples' opinions about what constitutes good vidding...there's so much time for that stuff LATER.
Absolutely! That is the best advice anyone can give a beginner, I think. Try it first, worry about the other stuff later, once you know whether you like vidding or not.
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brokenmnemonic: Firefly - Animabrokenmnemonic on October 4th, 2008 10:17 pm (UTC)
Can I blame my memory for any vagueness in this? It seems like a long time ago now, but I made my first vid - in fact, my first 3 vids - in Feb 06. I'm not on my home PC, so I can't check some of the details, but I think I remember what got me started.

In Nov 05, I was in a new job and... well, bored. I'd taken to reading around online, and I'd been watching this cool new reimagining of Battlestar Galactica. Having just moved again, I knew basically no-one where I was working, so I ended up chatting online; ultimately, after a few weeks of silent watching, I joined a Battlestar Galactica RP.

That got me interested in writing about BSG; after all, here was a group of people interested in the show, and I was playing a character (a retired military guy who'd been working as a space-platform construction engineer before the attacks) and chatting a bit. The rp went through a schism around Christmas, and suddenly there were lots of named characters free, including Lee Adama. When I first watched BSG, I was a big fan of Saul Tigh more than anyone else, but looking at the new vacancies (and tipped as someone to play Tigh now the character was vacant) I decided to have a try for that character. I managed to be successful, and suddenly I was writing rp posts as Apollo.

That got me much more involved with the other players, who started putting me on to all sorts of other bits of fandom I knew nothing about - Yahoogroups, Livejournal, fanfic archives. Before long, I was co-authoring fanfic; reading around, I discovered that people were making these music videos about the show. That was... fascinating. I did a little bit of reading, and discovered I had a program on my PC that could make vids - Windows Movie Maker. I was gunshy of chatting on things like Yahoogroups because I was the new kid on the block, but I'd become a serious Lee/Kara shipper, and other people like pandora_576 were making videos, and I thought "I'd like to try that."

I also thought that maybe a nice way to introduce myself on one of the Yahoogroups would be to sit down and make a Lee/Kara vid... so I did. I'd bought the S1 episodes on DVD, and a friend of mine had given me the 2.0 episodes on CD having torrented them (I knew nothing of such things) so I had episodes. I had a song I really, really liked, by an artist I really liked - Ani DiFranco. I'd been reading a lot of Charles de Lint books, and he's always touted Ani as an artist to listen too, and the two sort of combined into the idea that I had to make this vid.

I'd watched episodes like Home a lot because they had bit parts dedicated to characters I was writing about, and I was as big a shipper as I'd ever been - so I stayed up late one night, cutting and pasting clips together in WMM. I'd handwritten out the lyrics to the song and by listening to it in winamp, I'd worked out roughly where I thought each line of lyrics started, down to within a second or so. I knew what I wanted the vid to do - I'd say what the meta I wanted to show was, but my vid is to meta what crayon drawings on a wall are to the Lindisfarne scrolls - so I just kept plugging away until I had all the gaps filled. When I got stuck, I read around on the doom9 website, which was all about backing up DVDs but as a result included bits and pieces on software and problems with it, which led to other places online that talked about making videos.

I used bits of the show I liked, mixing together bits I thought were great because of what'd happened in the episodes and bits that looked emotionally right, and after about six hours I had a video. I was nervous as hell about posting it on the Yahoogroup, but it was a shipper environment, and three people said they liked it - and it got archived on their online video archive. I was in a ridiculously bouncy mood after that. I didn't talk to people much offline at that time - I still don't - but between that and the writing, it felt like there was something I could share around and join in the bouncy feeling that goes with being a shipper on a good day.

And since then, I've just... kept going. I can't turn out a video in an evening any longer, and I've not been able to recapture that mood in a long time, but it got me started.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Blair yelloqbop_radar on October 4th, 2008 11:34 pm (UTC)
Aww, thanks for sharing your story! The first time you post a vid is so nerve-wracking, it's true. But it sounds like you got the encouragement you needed.

my vid is to meta what crayon drawings on a wall are to the Lindisfarne scrolls
Hee! I think I still feel like that on bad days... and not just about my first vid (which wasn't very meta-y at all but was more of a mood piece)!
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Nicole Anell: roswell ate my iconsnicole_anell on October 5th, 2008 04:41 am (UTC)
Nicole's first vid story!
Oh GOD, there is no way I'm linking to my first vid. *g* It's funny that compared to people here so far, I'm a little "older" at vidding. Which is new for me because I always think of myself as a newbie in the vidding world, compared to people who've been around forever. But yeah, I made my first vids in 2000 or maybe 2001. My fandom then was "Roswell."

Lately the cool story I see a lot is someone who gets into vidding first as a fan (of other people's vids) and gets a mentor or beta and absorbs a lot of good advice first. I got into it MUCH less seriously, really just fooling around. I only knew a couple of people who had made vids, and I hardly knew anything about vidding fandom -- fic and fanart seemed more popular. The thing that weirdly influenced me was a series of shipper montages (with cute, short instrumental songs) that were put on the show's *official* site. It made me think "cool, I wonder if I could do that." I realized for the first time that my computer had an editing program (Windows Movie Maker, naturally) and I started playing around with it.

At first I was just doing it for myself, but soon I started putting those vids online at one of those free Angelfire sites. I knew my vidding skillz weren't that special, but I also hadn't been exposed to a lot of really great vids so I didn't have very high standards for myself... I almost had NO standards actually. And I figured they'd at least be enjoyed by shippers of whatever couple I was celebrating.

My first vid was called "I'll Get Along" and it was an Isabel/Alex vid (Isabel was Katherine Heigl's character; Alex was her love interest and he'd just been killed off the show). I'm not sure what it was about that couple that inspired me to vid them first. "Roswell" had a couple of major canon ships, and then Isabel/Alex was... like, the C-storyline. You might think to yourself, "Well, Baltar/Six is the C-storyline and LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU THERE, NICOLE," but it wasn't even like that! I didn't ship them more or less than any other couple -- I just thought the Alex Dies episode was pretty good, and I knew a sad song that made me think of Isabel grieving for him. (Incidentally, that episode was written by none other than Ron Moore!)

So the couple was Isabel/Alex, the song was "I'll Get Along" by a totally unknown indie band called Mythology. The lyrics didn't fit them exactly -- by the second verse it's clear the song is about a breakup, not a death -- but the song had a mournful quality I liked. At its "best" (I'm using that word loosely, because this vid was seriously horrible) the vid goes back to this image of Isabel and Alex dancing in a romantic fantasy/dream sequence. The dreamy, ethereal mood of the song really worked well with that footage.

Tech-wise, the video was a mess. I think I had one episode (possibly two?) on hand, and everything else was taken from random clips and promo trailers available on the official site and fansites, as well as some footage blatantly taken from other people's vids. This is before I realized what a huge vidding no-no that was! Because of that crazy mix, it's not just the aspect ratio that's all over the place -- there are some clips that are inexplicably 3/4 the size of the other ones and they're really, really ugly and pixelated. I don't know how I ever thought that was okay! The editing also suffers from my newbieness, lack of footage, and all those little WMM glitches I didn't bother to fix.

Oh, and the vid took me some unthinkably short time to make. Maybe two hours total, everything included. So to be honest, it doesn't hold a special place in my heart. XD I actually think of the 5th, 6th, and 7th "Roswell" vids I made (wow, I was extremely prolific when I sucked) as my "first" imperfect vids that I look back on fondly. They were still really uneven, but I see more of myself in them as a srs business vidder.

And yet... I was proud of that vid at the time. It was my first experiment with bringing together a song and a show that I liked, and it made me want to do more. It just took a while for me to grow into someone who puts more thought and effort into it.

Edited at 2008-10-05 04:47 am (UTC)
daybreak777: sunrisedaybreak777 on October 5th, 2008 05:50 am (UTC)
Re: Nicole's first vid story!
One thing about your story is that you seem like you were having fun. It reminds me of how I first wrote fanfic. Just between me and my HD. I was having fun and cared nothing at all what anyone else thought. I don't quite have that feeling with vidding, but it is a lot of fun. Even just reading these comments is exciting and lots of fun for me.

And Roswell! Dude! Another RDM production that sucked me in then and I wasn't even involved in fandom. But it was such a great first year of that show. It must have been so fun to vid a show it seems you really enjoyed.
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Nicole Anell: ginanicole_anell on October 5th, 2008 06:19 am (UTC)
Oh, and --

Are there any 'first vids' out there by other vidders that you love?
Burn the Witch by demonqueen666 was a really impressive first vid in a dark and disturbing sort of way. (But if you're still feeling anti-Cylon, maybe not so much! *g*) It links together a lot of different storylines -- Gina, Boomer, Baltar in season 3, the Circle, and so on -- into this ugly recurring theme of lashing-out and scapegoating and treatment of the enemy.

Full disclosure: She's got another Boomer vid on the way that I've seen parts of and I'm super-excited about it. :)
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lee smilebop_radar on October 6th, 2008 12:33 am (UTC)
I'm not anti-Cylon! At least not in the sense you mean. I'm sorry that you evidently think of me that way. I find the Cylons fascinating conceptually and really enjoy vids about them--in fact I often prefer their exploration in fannish works than on the show. I've been disappointed with the way the Cylon plot has been handled on BSG (I had hoped I'd find the Cylons a lot more sympathetic than I actually do by now): that may be where you gained that impression of me. But that does not mean I'm not interested in them!

However, I have been taking a break from all things BSG (Cylon or not!), which I'm just pulling out of, so thanks for the rec and I'll definitely watch out for that other one on the way too and as I start to ease back into BSG will check it out.
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hazy: Buffy: Restlesshazyshade on October 5th, 2008 04:02 pm (UTC)
Well I'm not going to lie, there were a couple of abandoned vidlets that will only see the light of day over my dead body, but the first finished vid I posted was Changes, a Buffy vid to David Bowie, focusing on the high school years. I think I talked last week about my love of journeys as a theme, and this started all that off, I guess!

I made it all the way back in 2003 with the original Windows Movie Maker, a program designed to drive even the sanest person to a horrifying insanity. I am a stickler for tight editing so the limitations of that program made me tear my hair out. Watching the vid now I can remember how frustrating it was not to be able to hit the beat because WMM wouldn't let me edit a clip past a certain length. Argh. It also crashed on me every 6 seconds. WMM2 wasn't much better either, on my computer at least.

So I can rewatch the vid and think, yes, the idea and the storyboarding was ok, and I like some of the links and fades, but it's so hard for me to get past the editing! For a first vid at that time I think it stands up to others, but compared to today's first vids it looks really dated imho.
daybreak777: daybreak mountains-no namedaybreak777 on October 5th, 2008 04:30 pm (UTC)
Thanks for this comment! WMM is so user friendly. Well, sort of. You just drag the clip. I really like that. But then it turns evil. I don't have the crashing problem (yet). But I am glad you said this about the editing. I thought I just didn't know what I was doing. But no, you and others have said it. It is juust not a very precise program. But being new, I'm not sure I can handle something else right now. And it's FREE!!!

Oh, I really like Changes! It made me smile so much. I wasn't in fandom during Buffy time, but I loved that show. And you put like almost all the best moments in. Like the Spike/Drusilla look (classic!) and bits of Faith who was one of my favorites.

You know why I like first vids? I can see THE LOVE. I was going to ask you what prompted you to make a vid at all. But I can see it. You loved this show. The vid is not dated, well, not more than like a beloved picture in a photo album. Thanks very much for sharing it with us here. :-)
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m_a_r_i_k_sm_a_r_i_k_s on October 5th, 2008 06:10 pm (UTC)
Thanks for arranging these weekly vidmaking posts Bop! :) It's very interesting to read other people's thoughts and see them sharing their own unique experiences. I also think lots of info that's being discussed here could be useful for newbies, because looking back at my own bumpy road in vidmaking world, I can tell you for sure that I would've started and progressed much better if I'd had anyone by my side playing a role of personal protege or at least advising a little bit and pointing out some commonly known mistakes.

I think if it wasn't for my BSG addiction, I would never dare to even approach the idea of vidmaking. I had too many beautiful examples of Anime Music Videos that my sister had shown me. They were nearly perfect in all aspects from storytelling to special effects use, which seemed technically impossible even to imitate. So the main reason for me was that I wasn't satisfied with what I was seeing in other people's vids - BSG vids in particular - at the time. Certainly there were some really good works to watch, but it wasn't enough for me somehow. :) So the real drive for me was the itch to see more high quality videos in BSG fandom. Because video material and idea content of the show seemed pure gold to me. Another thing that was also important - before making any attempt in it I already had many thoughts about future projects, my head was spinning because of them actually, I would often find myself listening to the music and almost thinking in pictures and shots.

So I made my first vid in 2006 to a song The Funeral Of Hearts by HIM; the song choice reflects my own preference for rock and my fascination with different characters' interactions/relationship, the thing that attracted me most of all - their emotional psychological struggles. I deliberately avoided focusing on Lee/Kara because I simply felt I wasn't confident enough or ready to do some technical stuff with them that I was craving to do :) The Funeral vid took me two weeks to make (something I could never repeat after that - now it seems like a very short period of time for a vid to me) and it still has a special place in my heart. I'm not ashamed of the fact that the vid looks clumsy because of screen size changes, I was only learning and the software was really complicated for me (Adobe Premiere Pro).

I remember how glad I was that I managed to overlay the visual sequence of Lee/Dee/Billy disaster with lyrics "three little words - and a question why" :D lol And Cally/Tyrol shots after he'd beaten her on the deck with "you were like a moth to that flame". I guess my attempts at storytelling in vidmaking are rooted in moments like those.
The blood drop in the end was also something I was proud of just as the sequences at 0:22-0:27, and the one with quick shots change at 1:58-2:04.
I think the hardest thing for me was to follow the pace of the song, I had to make a lot of re-editing to make the shots work so that they wouldn't stumble one over the next, flow in a way that wouldn't irritate me visually. At least it seemed like a lot of re-editing for such a novice as I was at the time.

It was hard to post the vid when it was finished because I didn't know what the fandom reaction would be, but I had a friend who knew nothing about vidmaking yet was encouraging me to share the vid and even post it in galactica_vids LJ community because she really liked it. :)
brokenmnemonic: Trustbrokenmnemonic on October 5th, 2008 09:15 pm (UTC)
I have a copy of this vid on my HD - in fact, I have a copy of all your vids on my HD; there are times where I watch them, one after the other, and think about how your vidding style developed. I think it says a lot about your vision as a vidder that you spent longer on your first video than I spend on my most recent ones ;)

I'm amazed that you made your first vid with Premiere Pro - I can't even imagine doing that. I'm going to have to refer to you as sensei far more often :)
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m_a_r_i_k_sm_a_r_i_k_s on October 5th, 2008 06:14 pm (UTC)
Any tips for beginners. Hmm... Well let me think about it...

- Choose a song that fits the subject of your future vid very well, the one that you like wholeheartedly; pay attention to lyrics when you make a choice. I wouldn't recommend to use super popular hackneyed songs because usually so many vids are made to them in different fandoms that they can be easily forgotten.
- Don't overuse those tacky video transitions in WMM or any other software: rombs, chess-board-like transitions, flashes, constant changes of colors to black&white or retro style etc. Any transition you use should serve a clear purpose, even fading and dissolving can get tiresome for your viewer's eyes.
- Don't "let" the characters talk for too long, cut the shot when it has already completed it's function of making some point or serving as prelude to another one.
- Alternate dialogue with action.
- Use simple cutting and timing as mush as you can - it's the basement of vidmaking. A well cut video with no effects is worth ten videos with no moving story fully packed with sophisticated overlays colorings and some such.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lee smilebop_radar on October 6th, 2008 01:30 am (UTC)
A well cut video with no effects is worth ten videos with no moving story fully packed with sophisticated overlays colorings and some such.
SO TRUE. :) (Of course, I would cling to that advice because I suck at effects! ;))

Great range of advice there! Thank you for sharing it!
Morgan Dawnmorgandawn on October 5th, 2008 07:09 pm (UTC)
70 First Vids/First Vid Stories
Last year we compiled a list of our first vids along with their stories.

The list is here - with links to the first vids. We had over 70
people participate:
http://morgandawn.livejournal.com/524662.html

The story behind my first vid:
My first vid was made in 1995. It is streamed here on iMeem:
http://morgandawn.imeem.com/video/4qEZ1sUI/pros_ordinary_world2/

Title: Ordinary World
Fandom: The Professionals
Artist: Duran, Duran

I made this vid using two VCRs and second or third generation copies of the TV show on videotape. Looking back it has all the hallmarks of a 'great' first time vid: cuts off (not on) the beat, long clips (although to be fair we all had limits on how fast we could cut using VCRs - but trust me, these are looong clips even by VCR standards), talking heads etc.

The idea came to me while I was living apart from my SO xlorp
and working on a complicated project that took me to Los Angeles for a year and a half. I would drive home to my rented room in the evening and listen to this song and think of him and how much I missed him. The line 'Where is my friend when I need him most?" captured for me the dynamics of my (then) favorite pairing of Bodie and Doyle. The 'ordinary world' the singer keeps singing about is (surprise surprise) all the girlfriends they love and lost. I guess that means they were fated to be together, eh?
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Buffy Willow friends hugbop_radar on October 6th, 2008 01:38 am (UTC)
Re: 70 First Vids/First Vid Stories
Thank you! I remember reading through that post and seeing people commenting about it. :) (I was too shy to participate.) I've edited my post to include a link to it and am flattered you linked to my own little post--I guess everyone likes hearing these stories, no matter how 'big' or 'small' a vidder they are. *g*

I made this vid using two VCRs and second or third generation copies of the TV show on videotape
I have only awe for you and all the amazing VCR-vidders! We are so totally spoiled these days with the technology available. It's kind of great to hear that first vids have the same great hallmarks, even in a different medium... ;) Thank you so much for sharing it!
hoolia goolia: BSG - Kara - Sexy backboom_queen on October 5th, 2008 07:15 pm (UTC)
I owe it all to marenfic (*loves*). She posted a vid bunny that I just could NOT get out of my head once I heard it. A season-three Kara character vid to "Only" by NIN. It seemed such a perfect fit for the angst and confusion she had experienced on New Caprica, and then back on the ship, but how defiant and awesome she was anyway. I really needed/wanted to show all the delusions she had clung to (the "I just made you up to hurt myself" parts) and then show how she triumphs anyway by kicking everyone's ass (the "there is no you, there is only me" parts).

So first I asked maren if she would be okay with my trying out her idea (she's not a vidder herself so she graciously told me to go for it). I started making notes from there about clip/lyric choices. But I didn't know where to find season 3 footage (so I got over my own shyness and asked a bsg vidder on my flist where she got her downloads and was then graciously accepted to a download comm--so helpful, yay!) and I had to learn how to rip my own dvd's for seasons 1 and 2. SCARY.

Then I needed to turn my source footage into smaller more manageable clips. Time to cringe: I used to import the ENTIRE FRAKKING episode into iMovie (which takes forever) and then cut it up into smaller clips and export from there. Two major problems here--the amount of time wasted importing/exporting in this software, and then lack of options for controlling your output quality. So, for that first time, I just sat at my laptop for daaaaaaaaays and made every clip of every kick-ass or angsty scene of Kara that I could think of. I pored over all the available seasons until I had an army of clips at my disposal.

Finally ready to edit! I imported my song of choice and a handful of clips into iMovie (which came free with my mac, much like WMM as I understand), and just started plugging things into the timeline. In retrospect it was fun but way clumsy. I really just kind of flailed around with clips and the timeline until it felt done-ish.

It took several months total, and an ice storm where school/work were canceled for four days, before it was done and posted. The vid is here. I get kind of simultaneously embarrassed and proud when I rewatch it--it's quality is somewhere between bad and mediocre, but I still enjoy it for the idea. It has some very clunky beat choices and some awkward transitions where a bit of the next/previous scene made it into the clip, but it was really fun to make and a perfect expression of my feelings for Kara at the time. I've thought about going back and remastering it but I almost always put that off in favor of new vid ideas.

Most of all: despite it's limitations and mediocrity, it made me want to keep vidding. Once I had that first taste of pairing a song with the right character or theme, I just kept getting more and more ideas for new videos. Getting a better handle on the tech has helped reduced the amount of time I waste in the process and it has really improved the visual quality of my footage. I'm still working on improving my sense of rhythm and my visual narrative style with every new project. But that first vid definitely gave me the muse and the enthusiasm to keep trying.

For those thinking about starting out vidding on a mac, I cannot pimp this tutorial enough. It has improved my processes/quality and saved my sanity so many times. It explains basic mac tech for vidding in really understandable terms and walks you through almost everything. I LOVE IT SO MUCH and still refer to it on a really regular basis. If I'd had this tutorial when I first started, things would have been a lot smoother and shinier :)
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Empire Records leanbop_radar on October 6th, 2008 01:49 am (UTC)
"I just made you up to hurt myself" parts
Ohh, yes! I remember those parts!

Once a vid bunny that great bites it is so hard to resist...!

I had to learn how to rip my own dvd's for seasons 1 and 2. SCARY.
Ohh, yup! I know. That alone felt like a major accomplishment for me in my journey towards a vid...

I used to import the ENTIRE FRAKKING episode into iMovie (which takes forever) and then cut it up into smaller clips and export from there.
Oh I used to do stuff like that too! :D Although FCP is a bit friendlier with the importing. But yeah... I'd work from the whole episode file. And I'd work from vob files which was great in one way but the hours spent rendering, my god... Change clip slightly. Render for 10 minutes. Decide it still looks lame and change it again. Render for 10 minutes. *tears hair out*

It took several months total, and an ice storm
I love it! It takes a world of effort to make a vid... :)

it made me want to keep vidding
Yay! That's perhaps the most precious thing of all about new vids. They got us hooked. It's so magical that first experience.

It explains basic mac tech for vidding in really understandable terms and walks you through almost everything. I LOVE IT SO MUCH and still refer to it on a really regular basis. If I'd had this tutorial when I first started, things would have been a lot smoother and shinier :)
Ohhhh, it looks really really good. I have used this post and related links a lot myself. Though my beloved ishitori.net is down at the moment (or forever?!)--it had splendidly simple instructions.

We should make a 'rec the best advice/tutorial' ever post! Mine would be this one that links a process for exporting I use constantly. I don't think I would ever ever have managed to export without it because exporting totally BROKE me the first time I tried it. There may have been tears involved... I just could not get my vid to be both small but good quality. This saved me.
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Laura McEwan: Laura S&Hlauramcewan on October 5th, 2008 07:43 pm (UTC)
First Vid - Chasing Cars, Starsky & Hutch
Hi! Happy to join you.

Gosh, my first vid - I still get butterflies thinking about it. I was so excited to be trying something new - and I didn't consciously decide to just give it a shot - it claimed me.

I had recently fallen into S&H fandom, reviving a 12 yo's crush for these cops that I watched in reruns on summer afternoons every day. I happened to catch a vid being posted for S&H on a vidding comm, clicked to it, was shown my BOYS again, and I fell headlong into fandom.

Cue my favorite local radio station, kink.fm. They tend to be a bit ahead of the curve, playing music that will later be picked up by more mainstream radio stations, and they were playing Snow Patrol's "Chasing Cars". I really enjoyed the song, and as I listened to it, I began to see scenes from the S&H episodes I'd been gorging on, fitting the music. I poked at my new laptop, and there was Windows Movie Maker. OMG.

I asked for help from a friend who does vidding as to how to rip source, and I spent a good two weeks doing just that - the computer would run all night processing, and finally, I had it all.

And then I started.

Oh, how I hate WMM now. That program showed me well what it was I REALLY wanted from a vidding program, the most important of which was the ability to have black space, and to place clips on the timeline in a NON-linear fashion. Another friend told me she used Sony Vegas, I got the trial, played with it, and bought it. All the rest of my vids are done on Vegas, including a remaster of Chasing Cars.

I loved making it. I felt giddy and happy the whole time. I was frustrated by WMM's limitations, and beyond the panic that I could post this and people would say, "Excuse me, but WHO the fuck do you think you are, posting a VID? Go away," I was really excited by what I was creating.

I was so thrilled when I posted it to great praise, and more than once I hear, "that's your FIRST vid? WOW." That makes my day, lol. I still love that vid, I still love the song, and my kids still let me know when they heard Chasing Cars on the radio.

As to taking the plunge - you know, anything new is scary, and sticking things out there for public consumption is really scary, but I learned so much about myself, and about how others view the story I'm telling, that I can only say, go for it. Don't be afraid, and don't be defensive - listen to what folks have to say, and listen to you own heart. And above all - ENJOY yourself.

Links to that first vid: YouTube (WMM) ; Imeem (Vegas); and Download from my site (Vegas).

Thanks for this, I look forward to reading everyone else's comments!
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!bop_radar on October 6th, 2008 03:17 am (UTC)
Re: First Vid - Chasing Cars, Starsky & Hutch
beyond the panic that I could post this and people would say, "Excuse me, but WHO the fuck do you think you are, posting a VID? Go away," I was really excited by what I was creating.
*smiles* I've experienced both those feelings, definitely! It's so thrilling when that DOESN'T happen and people accept your vid.

What a great track for your first vid! And it sounds like it fitted your subject matter perfectly. (I can't watch it right now as I'm at work.)

Thanks for sharing such great advice!
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Kass: Rodney screenkassrachel on October 5th, 2008 07:47 pm (UTC)
My first vid is still in-progress, so I feel shy about participating in this conversation with my own story; I don't know the whole arc of the story yet until I see what it feels like to declare it finished and to post it, you know? :-) But I wanted to thank you for reminding me that it's worth holding on to the magical moment of seeing things start to come together for the first time!
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Clark basketballbop_radar on October 6th, 2008 02:27 am (UTC)
You have a vid in progress! That is awesome! Good on you for being brave enough to take these first steps... it's definitely worth savouring those first moments when you play something back and think 'I made that'. People have been sharing lots of good advice in the comments here--most of along the lines of 'just go for it!!' :)
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jagwriter78: doctor - hijagwriter78 on October 5th, 2008 07:58 pm (UTC)
Oh, what an interesting topic!

All right, so let me share my story about how I started vidding. When I started, I had NO idea there was a vidding world out there. I was an MTV junkie and just generally loved music videos of all kinds. In 1997, I got my very first VCR. While reading the manual, I found out it had an audio dubbing feature - meaning you could dub any footage with new audio without the need of a second VCR. I never really thought much about it until I sat down one afternoon, hooked up my VCR with my parents' and put my favorite scenes of a certain TV show one after the other. I used foreign language footage because that channel had no watermark bug while our local channel had one. It wasn't really until then that I remembered the audio dubbing feature. So I looked how long the clips where that I had just put together and just used 5 of my favorite songs as soundtrack for them. I thought it looked so absolutely cool! I didn't really do much more until a certain heartbreaking ep of my favorite TV show aired on TV for the first time the same day a certain heartbreaking song came out. I thought they were perfect for other! I timed the song, picked clips from my show, timed the clips and copied them one after the other using 2 VCRs and the pause button. I created my own little story to go with the song. That was in 1997 and I am going to out myself that the song I used was Celine Dion's "My Heart Will Go On" which I vidded to the most heartbreaking ending of Chris and Rita on Silk Stalkings. And that was my embarrassing story *snort*

I actually took a break from vidding as the VCR method was a bit tedious in my eyes. I did buy myself a graphics card with video in though so I could make videos on my computer but I actually never got anywhere other than making thousands of clips. I think by the time I had everything I needed on the comp, I was so ticked off at how long that had taken that I didn't want to work with them anymore. I didn't do any vidding anymore until 2004 when I saw a fab vid of my then favorite show, Farscape, that made me wanna do something like that as well. And I've been vidding ever since :)
hazy: Dr. Who: time travellershazyshade on October 5th, 2008 11:58 pm (UTC)
That was in 1997 and I am going to out myself that the song I used was Celine Dion's "My Heart Will Go On" which I vidded to the most heartbreaking ending of Chris and Rita on Silk Stalkings. And that was my embarrassing story *snort*

I kind of love that we're all outing ourselves here. Hey, I think we're all allowed a couple of get-out-of-jail-free cards for our first vids. ;)

Thanks for sharing your story; I've always been curious about VCR vidding!
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A work in progress: OMG Starbuck Kara BSGancarett on October 5th, 2008 07:59 pm (UTC)
Here via the link on vidding. What a great idea!

- What was your first vid? "Hero Takes the Fall" -- a Baltar vid from S1 of BSG. Youtube and download 12meg WMV. I posted it in October, 2005.
- Why did you make it? Because the thought of Baltar, falling all over himself, again and again, occurred to me when listening to the song and I couldn't NOT make the vid.
- How long did it take you? About three weeks, on and off, of pulling out my hair because I'd never worked with video files before.
- What did you have to do/overcome to complete it? Complete newbness to vidding, frustrations of WMM, ignorance of how to rip DVD footage and the realization that timing is a lot more difficult than I'd ever imagined.
- What did you learn making it? That transitions really need to be thought out. That starting with a better source would make for a better end-product. That this is a lot harder a job than I'd imagined.
- How do you feel about it now? Do you still love it? It still makes me laugh. I like to call it "Gaius Baltar's Horrible, No-Good Year." I never thought it was really a good vid, however!
- What was the hardest thing about making it? The final verse and chorus. Working only with S1, I don't think I had enough footage, especially since I wanted the vid to track the show timeline. I probably should have inserted some more material from mid-season episodes earlier in the vid to be able to match the pace all the way through.
- How did you feel posting it and sharing it with others? I figured that posting a somewhat-silly Baltar vid would at least be good for a laugh!
- Do you have any tips for those thinking about making a vid for the first time? Get a really big hard drive and learn how to rip from the source.
Nicole Anell: stop hurting gaiusnicole_anell on October 5th, 2008 09:38 pm (UTC)
"Hero Takes the Fall" -- a Baltar vid from S1 of BSG.
How did I never see this?!?

That song is so... bouncy yet awesome for him. It's good for a smile at least. :D
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DC: Final Fantasy VIII - Edea - Wickedbananainpyjamas on October 5th, 2008 09:05 pm (UTC)
Heh, the story of my first vid is kind of catty. I had seen a bunch of people posting JLU music videos and simply thought I could do better. The result was a Superman video rather predictably set to "Kryptonite" by 3 Doors Down. I still have it up here. It was the first and last time I'd ever used WMM, as I switched to Premiere for my second vid and have stuck with that ever since.

I don't remember how long it took, but I'd say probably about as long as I spend on a vid now, thanks to how annoying I found WMM. I had editing experience and found the linear timeline very constraining. And then there was, of course, the constant crashing. There's a big leap in quality between my first and second vids thanks to the switch to familiar territory (i.e. Premiere).

The vid itself is filled with all sorts of newbie mistakes. Not a ton of talky-face, but definitely way more than I'd let slide now. There are also some static shots, seemingly haphazard cuts, and one leaked scene thrown in for good measure.

It's worth mentioning that Kryptonite wasn't the first time I had conceptualized a music video. I was introduced to vidding years earlier through accidentally finding Final Fantasy VIII AMV's on Kazaa. I then became an FF vid junkie and downloaded tons to my computer. I soon got the brilliant idea to make an FFVIII vid of my own set to - you guessed it - Bring Me to Life. *LOL* I'm somewhat thankful I didn't yet realize WMM came pre-installed on my computer, otherwise I would be even more embarrassed by my first vid than I am now. What's funny is that I can still remember my plan for the video just as vividly as any vid I'm working on now. haha, if the song choice wasn't so awful I'd so make it.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: K Lexbop_radar on October 6th, 2008 03:27 am (UTC)
Heeee! You are not the only one with awful-song-choice bunnies lurking in their head! It's possible that I harbour a secret desire to vid Kara/Lee to an absolutely RIDICULOUS power ballad. And that's as close as I'm coming to admitting that shameful concept!

Doing better than what's out there is a cool reason to vid! ;)
the sundance kid: us 3 (family)mresundance on October 5th, 2008 09:25 pm (UTC)
First Vid
I popped my vidding cherry very recently, probably in November of last year. I've saying I started in December of last year, but then I realized I hadn't taken into account a vid I finished earlier, a personal one which was comprised mostly of images, which I made for a novel I was working on at the time.

My first vid vid, I guess, was World on a String (http://community.livejournal.com/dancingvader/579.html) and I'm still pleased with it, though, as you noted, the learning curve is damn steep. I watch it sometimes and think, eh, I would've done XYZ different, given what I know now, but given what I knew then I still think it's a pretty decent effort.

The hardest part for me was the coloring and lighting on a technical level. I hadn't learned much about sony vegas then (still haven't really) and was going clip by clip adding the effects. It was a pain. After that it was rendering and aspect ratio issues. My final render was probably off the aspect ratio a little and bumped my titles and such around. And it was a whopping 72 MB in WMV, which is ridiculous. I am still not sure how I managed that, because I just clicked buttons and drop downs very randomly as I was choosing how to render things. :p

The vid is very very dear to me though. I started vidding it when my father went into the hospital. He had been sick with pancreatic cancer the last few years and I knew when he went into the hospital that it was the beginning of the end. He died in March. I finished the vid before then, but not before I had to fly from the UK back to my home in the US to see him and my family. It was quiet a wild ride in some ways, and the vid, for me, was processing my father's death and the precarious situation my family found itself in. I could empathize, perhaps bitterly, with the Winchesters and their plight and the dark and bitterly ironic tone of Neil Young's song. It's a blatant "snark" on Frank Sinatra's carefree "I've Got the World on a String". I adore Neil Young's song to pieces mostly because of all the dark ironies compacted within it. I am not certain I communicated this all that well in the vid; I would like to remaster it someday with a mind towards focusing on those contradictions, the irony, and the sort of "sick twist of fate" notion.

Edited at 2008-10-05 09:28 pm (UTC)
daybreak777: sunrisedaybreak777 on October 6th, 2008 04:05 am (UTC)
Re: First Vid
Wow. After reading this comment I went to watch your vid. It is very emotional and soulful, which makes sense from how you described making it. I don't know the fandom or show at all. And as a newbie, I didn't notice any lighting problems, in fact the all the scenes had a very gritty and realistic style.

One thing I didn't expect to learn in this discussion is how a vid is a snapshot in time, not just of the show but of the vidder's view of the show. I remember my second vid, and while making it I was going through a difficult time and just dived into perfecting that vid. I love the vid muchly, but I will always remember where and what was happening while I made it.

They are really like little photograhs, I thought, of course of the show. But no, not just the show, but of us, how we felt about the show and other things at the time. I wish I could understand more of the nuances of your vid but I'm unfamiliar with SPN. Despite that, I have watched it three times trying to figure it out!

Thanks for sharing your vid and for sharing your first vid story. Ah, vidding. I wonder what other times in my life my vids will mark. This discussion sure has made me quite thoughtful about it all.
Re: First Vid - mresundance on October 6th, 2008 10:03 am (UTC) (Expand)
mystical van of doom: xf meetvoldything on October 5th, 2008 10:02 pm (UTC)
I kind of went off the tangent, haha!
Oh, man. I remember being 14 and immersed in my first fandom ever (The X-Files). I started seeing all these wonderful vids people made and I knew I had to try to make one, because they seemed like a lot of fun. I can't for the life of me remember what the song was (the subject: Mulder & Scully, why of course) but I instantly fell in love with the entire process. 8 years ago every vid was .ram or .rm and we all strived to make them as small as possible, because the internet was still on diapers and the download for a 7MB vid took hours. It amuses me how we can make 60MB vids now and don't really think about that *FEELS SO OLD*

So, anyway. I received lots of lovely comments from my first try and started making more and more, and I remember how much attention I payed to the beats of the song and the movement of the clips, most of all. My proudest moment as a vidder for the XF had to be when the last vid I did for the fandom (it lasted less than a minute and was purely instrumental) was featured in one of the official sites. THOSE WERE THE DAYS!
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Playtime girlbop_radar on October 5th, 2008 10:24 pm (UTC)
Re: I kind of went off the tangent, haha!
You made your first vid at 14?!

8 years ago every vid was .ram or .rm
I don't even know that that is! *flaps hands*

I'm so impressed! You're an old-schooler AND a child prodigy of vidding! :p

was featured in one of the official sites. THOSE WERE THE DAYS!
Awww wow! I don't think I've seen any of your X-Files vids... are they still available online?
Re: I kind of went off the tangent, haha! - voldything on October 5th, 2008 10:42 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: I kind of went off the tangent, haha! - bop_radar on October 6th, 2008 03:30 am (UTC) (Expand)
Re: I kind of went off the tangent, haha! - voldything on October 6th, 2008 07:14 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: I kind of went off the tangent, haha! - bop_radar on October 7th, 2008 09:41 am (UTC) (Expand)
Re: I kind of went off the tangent, haha! - voldything on October 8th, 2008 12:46 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: I kind of went off the tangent, haha! - hazyshade on October 5th, 2008 11:46 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: I kind of went off the tangent, haha! - voldything on October 6th, 2008 07:23 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Sing me a bawdy song, make me merrythe_sun_is_up on October 5th, 2008 11:17 pm (UTC)
Hello! Thanks for setting up these vidding chats, they're awesome!

Just as a little intro, even though I'm a big BSG fan (which is how I encountered your lj), the only fandoms I've vidded so far have been Avatar: the Last Airbender and Naruto.

My first vid was an Avatar vid to "Apologize" by OneRepublic. In retrospect it was an odd choice to begin with - my musical taste tends to be very indie, whereas Apologize is a pop song straight off the radio. But I really liked it and a vidding bunny for it popped into my head and wouldn't leave me alone. I kept seeing bits of footage playing in my head and thinking "this would make such a fabulous vid!" So finally, realising that I already had iMovie on my laptop, I sought out a vid tutorial on lj and got cracking.

It took me 4 days of solid work to complete which, IDK, is that slow? fast? average? After I finished it I actually didn't post it because I didn't feel it was good enough, and only posted it for the heck of it after I had a few more vids under my belt. But actually I'm fairly pleased with it and I think for a first try it turned out pretty okay.

I think the hardest part was that I was learning as I went and there was still a lot I wasn't aware of. I didn't know how to speed up/slow down, how to add markers, how to extend trimmed clips back to their original length, etc.

As for advice, I'd say my golden rule is no talking. Or at least as little talking as possible. Watching characters mouth silently like fish a) is boring and b) creates an audio-visual disconnect. Other tips would be use a song you like because you're going to be listening to it A LOT, and don't OD on special effects. Simplicity is just fine when you're starting out.
daybreak777: vids yaydaybreak777 on October 6th, 2008 05:20 am (UTC)
Hey, I know you! *waves* Wow! That was your first video? That was awesome! I do not know Avatar at all. I have only seen one other animated fan video. But if they are all like this, I might need to find them!

If I knew another place to feedback, I would. I hope here is okay. First song, choice. I got so absorbed in the characters I forgot I hear this song all the time. I was also impressed with how on the beat you were. Yay! But really, I got caught up with that little girl and her tears and blushes and the emotional relationship she has with her boyfriend. And how devoted she is to the younger boy. She's interesting, that girl. And I can see the affection you have for her. See? Now, I'm wondering what happens to her! Now, that's a good vid, I'm all worried!

It took me 4 days of solid work to complete which, IDK, is that slow? fast? average?
I don't know. Everyone varies. I do think it is a new vidder thing to just want to get it done fast, but maybe not. I think anyone with an idea burning in them wants to get it out and see it.

Now, I'm all curious and this is probably a question for another day, but is vidding for an animated series that different than live action? Do you use the same techniques and transitions? Wow, it's like a whole other vidding world!

I really liked your vid. I'm so glad you found your way to this discussion and shared it. :-)
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catyahcatyah on October 5th, 2008 11:49 pm (UTC)
Hi, I'm catyah, and I'm very new to vidding.

What a fantastic coincidence this post is! I only just friended the vidding community early last week, and posted my first vid to YouTube and to my LJ and to our Riptide community last night.

Though I enjoy reading fic in other fandoms, my "one true fandom" is Riptide, a detective series that was on NBC from 1984 - 1986 and just finally became available on DVD. I got introduced to watching vids from other people in our little tiny fandom, and gradually started to wonder why there are no Riptide vids out there. Especially since I seem to have so many ideas for them myself.

Only one of my friends, sassyinkpen knows how to make vids, and she promised to teach me how to use Vegas and all of that on a recent trip to visit her. Unfortunately, time got away from both of us, so a lot of the intruction happened over Yahoo Messenger while I played with the software.

So, here's a link to my first vid, hopefully the first of many yet to come -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucGvDu_3Pt4 Feel free to go and look at it, I hope you will like it.

I suppose I made it because I had the idea, and I was so impressed with people who make such lovely vids, I wanted to try it myself. Also, to increase awareness of our sweet little fandom.

It took me right around a week to finish it, hopefully that doesn't show too much in the quality of the vid. :: blushes :: Hopefully my skills will improve with time.

As far as overcoming anything, I'm not the most technologically savvy person you'll ever meet, so Sassy really had to encourage me to give it a try. I was also a little nervous about posting it in my LJ and to YouTube, but we've all had our first vids and stories and all, so maybe that made it a little easier to try.

One thing I would say to others who want to vid but have never tried is, make friends with someone who already vids, they'll be glad to help you. Try out free trials of software first before you buy. Have an idea of what you want your vid to be about so you don't just stare at the screen and then give up.



daybreak777: sunrisedaybreak777 on October 6th, 2008 03:14 am (UTC)
I'm not the most technologically savvy person you'll ever meet, so Sassy really had to encourage me to give it a try.
Yeah, me neither! Thank goodness for friends, right? But a lot of vidders say that about tech, so I guess the tech comes in time. I don't know. I hope so!

Riptide! Of course I remember it! I do not remember the little guy's name or the premise of this show, but he made me go 'awww' several times in the vid. I hope it's okay to leave feedback here because I do not have a YouTube account. That's how new I am!

I really like the parts with the 'heartbreak and pain' lines. Awww! Poor little guy! And I like when they were happy! I can tell you love them and this show. Yay, for showing your vidder's heart.

I love watching these vids and I think the song choice for this one was excellent. Brought me right back to that time. I love watching these vids and remembering where I was then. Little flashbacks in time. Thanks for being brave enough to share it here.

Oh, and I like sunrises and sunsets. Hee!
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kiki_miserychickiki_miserychic on October 6th, 2008 12:28 am (UTC)
My first, sad, sad little vid was Angel/Spike to Tegan & Sara’s “My Number”… Don’t laugh, I’m serious. On Tuesday, July 27, 2004, 12:30:00 AM this seemed like a perfectly good idea. I apologize to the vidding community at large for the atrocity, but let it be known I never posted it online. And until now, my eyes are the only that have seen it. I warn you, there is lip-syncing, lots of talking heads, poor source quality, melodrama, reused clips, and bad metaphors.

6.77mb, on this page

I made it in WMM with converted real player into wmv files. I don't remember how I converted them, but I remember how much it made my brain hurt. It took about an hour to make, as in edit. I never actually posted online until 2007 to make fun it.

To those making their first vid, do whatever you want because it's your vid. Rock it the way you want it rocked.
daybreak777: daybreak mountains-no namedaybreak777 on October 6th, 2008 02:46 am (UTC)
Rock it the way you want it rocked.
When I get stuck in a vidding quandry, I'm going to remember you said this. That is the best thing about vidding and fic writing. I can do whatever I want! Until with vidding you can't quite get it how you want. But I see persistence is the key theme here!

Your vid made me smile. Why? Because they were so cute. I don't care that they weren't scary anymore. They were Them and they are adorable in this vid. My favorite part is when you had Spike walk through Angel, right on the beat! I felt that part!

Thanks so much. Watching your vid made me very happy. I really liked that show. :-)
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emotional landscapes: fandom: we have dollucks!ghost_lingering on October 6th, 2008 02:04 am (UTC)
My first vid was a Veronica Mars vid comparing Logan and Weevil to the song Richard Cory by Simon and Garfunkel. The dl links are probably long dead, but here is the lj announcement. I'm...sort of proud of some of it. I mean, it's a first vid, but conceptually it's fairly strong, I think. (Though there are a few ghost frames which are like nails on a chalkboard every time I watch.) It's a fairly simple comparison and the song did most of the work.

I made it on Window Movie Maker and it took just a week or two, I think. I remember being flush with love for the VMars fandom at the time (oh, season one) and so I did the rather unthinkable and I actually posted it to communities--vidding and some VMars vid comm...forget what it is. Anyway, I never do that for fic, really, so I was surprised when I actually got feedback! And people liked it, so that was nice. I watch it now and there are certainly some things...I don't know how to put it. Perhaps best stated, I think it's a vid which would have felt more at home in the VCR vidding days.

It's also strange to me because...it's not one of the vids that I've sat on thinking about for a long time. I got the idea for the song and I did it because I wanted my first vid to be something that I could throw away--that I wasn't attached to. And, also, I'm a slow vidder, glacially slow, and I've only publicly posted three vids, so. It's odd because I look back at it and I see leaps and bounds in where I've gone, but if you look at what I've posted...it's harder to tell that.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Bop_radar TWbop_radar on October 7th, 2008 09:59 am (UTC)
First season VM fandom seemed such a happy place! I never watched but I had many friends who did.

You posted to comms?! That's cool--I have only had the courage once.

, I think it's a vid which would have felt more at home in the VCR vidding days.
Aww! It longs for VCR-vid buddies?! That's ok! :)

glacially slow
Snap! :)

I think the main thing that matters is that *you* see your improvements. I've found that some people will like early vids because they 'ping' right with them or they like the song better or whatever... they might not look at your later vids the same way as you. It's all so subjective! But if you feel you are improving that's terrific--something to hang on to. I know I will keep vidding as long as I feel I'm growing with every vid... (even if others can't tell!)
(no subject) - ghost_lingering on October 7th, 2008 10:15 pm (UTC) (Expand)
thedothatgirl: vidby charmaxthedothatgirl on October 6th, 2008 10:09 am (UTC)
I just saw that I took part in the previous 'first vid' discussion so here's what I said then (I kept it brief thankfully) :

My first vid 'Viva Las Vegas' Episodic AtS "The House Always Wins" was made in August '04. WMM preferred weapon of choice.

I had a ton of ideas back then (I had spent the previous year watching just about any slayerverse vids I could get my hands on) and this was the MOST obvious, and as an episodic the easiest to make. Obvious lyric matches, some talky face, very long clips. *shudders*

I plucked up courage and asked sdwolfpup to send me feedback and she kindly obliged which was invaluable and didn't crush my noobie vidding enthusiasm. The vid has been on my site ever since as a reminder of where I started.

http://www.buffyandangelart.co.uk/angel%20music%20videos.htm

ETA - Actually for a huge dose of nostalgia I went back and remade it this August - so the old version is no longer there - I have it somewhere and may just upload it for the heck of it.

As for first vids by other vidders, funny enough I love sdwolfpup first vid - 'Moving on'. It's a Buffy one.


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K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Bop_radar TWbop_radar on October 8th, 2008 05:10 am (UTC)
Hey I've seen that! I remember thinking it was fun (despite the flaws you see). My apologies if I never left fb (meep!)!

You remade your first vid?! That's cool. I'm not sure I could revisit mine ever... in fact I'm sure I couldn't. But then I did choose a creepy subject. It's good that you loved your first vid enough to remake it.

I am impressed by your courage in approaching vidders you admire for advice. I have always found that hard but at the same time would encourage other beginners to do so. :)
(no subject) - thedothatgirl on October 8th, 2008 09:01 am (UTC) (Expand)
anarchicq: SH 3 - Dear God by AnarchicQanarchicq on October 6th, 2008 10:45 pm (UTC)
- What was your first vid? (If you feel comfortable enough, you could link to it.)
My first vid was an unspliced video of the climax of Battle Angel Alita to Pink Floyd's Great Gig in the Sky. I don't consider it to be an AMV because there was minimal editing. My first real AMV was White Claudia Coma, a Silent Hill video to Manson's Coma White http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJqlDP888nI

- Why did you make it?
Because the lyrics fit with much of the imagery of SH. I don't even really like the song.

- How long did it take you?
Um. A few days probably.

- What did you have to do/overcome to complete it?
I had to learn how to use Premiere for one. I had my friend guide me through things.

- What did you learn making it?
I need to make cleaner cuts.

- How do you feel about it now? Do you still love it?
I like the intro, and a few shots (Like the final boss of SH2 appearing.). It's messy. It's small. I should re-master it.

- What was the hardest thing about making it?
At a certain mark, a still image is huge, and not the same size as the rest of the footage. Bad me. Bad! Also, compression was terrible, which is why it's so small.

- How did you feel posting it and sharing it with others?
I still do. I'll do it again! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJqlDP888nI

- Do you have any tips for those thinking about making a vid for the first time?
First of all, look at what's out there. We really don't need another My Immortal AMV. Seriously.
Secondly, watch your edits and transitions. If they're too sudden, then they're jarring and snap the viewer out of the video.

- If you haven't made a vid, what is the closest you've come to doing so? or what is the vid you'd most like to make?
I really want to make a Bleach/Devil Hunter Yohko video, but I have no idea how to combine footage.

- Are there any 'first vids' out there by other vidders that you love? (Please feel free to rec them! First vids can be so exciting as a glimpse of a new vidders' vision.)
Silent Hill 2 - Passive by ashe_romeo
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Clark basketballbop_radar on October 8th, 2008 05:06 am (UTC)
Thank you for sharing your vids and your tips!