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07 February 2009 @ 07:21 pm
BSG 4.14 Blood on the Scales  
Sigh.

Well that was shortlived. BSG is back to sucking remarkably fast. I knew last weeks idyll wouldn't last, but I didn't factor on some bonus unwelcome elements entering this episode.

Things I guessed would happen but which nevertheless disappointed me:
- Adama lived
- Roslin lived
- Tigh lived
- Chief lived
- Gaius lived
- Gaeta got killed.

Things I didn't expect but were unbelievably dreadful:
- Zarek killed the Quorum. Well I guess it illustrated what an extremist he is. I hate this less than some other elements because I think it's true to character and I really liked Gaeta's reaction. And it illustrated the way things can spiral out of control so easily.
- Kara/Anders. Ouch. How shortlived was the Kara/Lee teamwork? Sheesh. As soon as Sam showed up, it was over. And then of COURSE he got melodramatically shot and bled all over her and she had to be All About Sam and abandon Lee again. There's only two ways this will end: 1) he dies the martyr's death I predicted and Kara never gets over it or 2) he recovers slowly and they get back together and work through things. Either way, there goes my Kara again... Makes a farce of the kiss and Kara/Lee team stuff last week. She just wished he was Sam, let's face it. ETA: Just to clarify: I'm not dissing on Kara for feeling compassionately towards a dying husband. My issue is (if it's not obvious) with the incredibly contrived writing again. Same issue as with the Lee/Dee 'date'.
- Adama and Roslin shared ANOTHER teary romantic moment. *yawns* Enough already!
- Gaius had sex. Gratuitously. Again. Clearly three eps without it were TOO MANY.
- The Cylons waffled around as they are wont to do but I did rather like their inclination to bugger off and leave the humans to it. Sensible, kids!
- Adama gets a chance to explain to one of his crew why he should still support him even though he supports a Cylon alliance and Adama's reaction is... to tie him up. Wow. That's bad even for Adama. I actually had suspense in that moment! I thought that's where the real dialogue would begin. OMG MY NAIVETY! No dialogue. Just death. Adama is seriously SO bad at PR. I mean, of course it looks like he's in bed with the Cylons when he's having smoochy reunions with Tigh in front of the crew! *rolls eyes* Grow a brain, Adama! This is no way to motivate people.
- OMG, LEEEEEEEEE, why did you condone the exectutions? Why didn't you advocate for dialogue between the mutineers and the leadership first? Don't you see that this is only entrenching Adama's tyrant-like status?
- The message of this episode: it's ok to kill people without trial as long as you're the good guys.

I have no words for the BAD of that last bit. BSG will never be the same.

Things which were unexpectedly awesome:
- Romo! OMG YAY! Romo returns and is wonderful. He even momentarily considers leaving Anders to die! Whee! \o/ (I'm cool with him not actually doing so because that would make him horrible, but I like that he considered it. *g*)
- Mention of Jake!
- Lee. Was awesome. Loved his snark at Kara: 'it would have been if you'd done it'. :) Also his determination to reach his father. Pity his father is a dick.
- The Gaius/Gaeta scene. Beautiful, moving, creepy and gorgeous. I just want to draw hearts around it.
- Sam got shot. *beams* Karma, dude. Stings.

I'm going to be so cranky if Sam dies. I bet he does just to spite me. Then Kara will never have clearly chosen Lee over Sam and my shipper days will be over. After that, my only hope for liking anything else on this show is Lee realising that his father is a dick and there's no democracy and just taking charge himself and sorting shit out. What's the chances? Pfft.
 
 
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Call Me OneTrack: k/l SMOOCHcallmeonetrack on February 7th, 2009 12:53 pm (UTC)
Wow you're back to hating it, huh? Aw, sad. I like when Boppy is happy!!

I do agree that it was all resolved pretty tidily for Adama & Co., eh? I also loved the Gaeta/Baltar scene (although I still don't get whether it was for reals because how on Earth was Gaeta not restrained/in the brig for that convo? I mean Adama isn't that naive to let the leader of the rebellion just swan around untethered smoking cigarillos with Baltar in nicely appointed quarters, is he?)

Lee in the scene with the grenade?? ::DIES:: So hot and awesome. I haven't loved Lee like that in a long frakkin' time. Captain Apollo is indeed still in there somewhere.

Now let me defend my girl for a bit:
Kara/Anders. Ouch. How shortlived was the Kara/Lee teamwork? Sheesh. As soon as Sam showed up, it was over. And then of COURSE he got melodramatically shot and bled all over her and she had to be All About Sam and abandon Lee again. There's only two ways this will end: 1) he dies the martyr's death I predicted and Kara never gets over it or 2) he recovers slowly and they get back together and work through things. Either way, there goes my Kara again... Makes a farce of the kiss and Kara/Lee team stuff last week. She just wished he was Sam, let's face it.

C'mon now. It was okay for Lee to go on a date with his ex-wife but Kara can't show concern for her CURRENT HUSBAND WHO IS BLEEDING FROM THE NECK AND SEEMINGLY ABOUT TO DIE? I think she'd be castigated for being a cold bitch if she wasn't concerned about him, so I think she's screwed either way here. :(

Besides, if he does die a martyr's death....well so did Dee, so doesn't it even the scales a bit? I think there will be loving words exchanged next week (because Kara does love him) but there's no way they're going to get back together in a romantic way. The Space preview heavily focuses on Sam and I think we're going to delve more into his destiny/final Fiver status.

ETA: I can see how the parallels to what's going on with SV lately could possibly make this more annoying for you too though!

One thing I really loved about this week's episode was all the humor!! This show has found its sense of humor again. Lee's "It would have been funny if you did it." Romo's "But I'm not a very good shot." Tigh had some good wisecracks too.

And I REALLY LOVED the fact that Gaeta called Bill on the fact that he loves the ship and the idea of his people more than he loves his people on an individual level. I've been waiting for someone to say that to Bill for ages. But he's going to disregard/ignore it of course.

Edited at 2009-02-07 12:54 pm (UTC)
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lee!facebop_radar on February 7th, 2009 10:12 pm (UTC)
I still don't get whether it was for reals because how on Earth was Gaeta not restrained/in the brig for that convo?
Yeah... I thought at first it was a flashback. Now could it be a dream? I guess the show makes so little sense though it could actually have happened.

I can see I've caused some confusion. I have no issue with Kara showing compassion for her dying husband. What I take issue with is the writing, which very clearly has wussed out on Kara making a clear decision or addressing any of the complex emotions between her and Anders.

I wasn't exactly a fan of the Lee/Dee shit either, if you recall. I was actually MORE pissy about that, to tell the truth. This Anders-dies-a-martyr's-death business was more what I expected whereas the Lee/Dee date was out-of-the-blue dreadful.

I do think there is a difference though between Lee and Kara--Lee made it obvious he was there for Kara if she wanted him (in the brig scene). Ever since then she hasn't acted on it. Yeah, Lee had the nostalgia-fest with Dee, but he wasn't saying he was actively in love with her--which is what you're saying Kara will say to Sam.

I also think if it had been anyone but Sam shot, Kara would have left them to die. She was such a hardass last ep, all about the killing and the mission. But Sam's different. That's fine, but it gives me my answer about her feelings for him.

The Space preview heavily focuses on Sam and I think we're going to delve more into his destiny/final Fiver status.
Kill me now.

Yeah, I do like the return of humour! It returned a couple of eps ago and was most welcome. :D

I REALLY LOVED the fact that Gaeta called Bill on the fact that he loves the ship and the idea of his people more than he loves his people on an individual level. I've been waiting for someone to say that to Bill for ages.
Yeah, good call! :D That was glorious. If only he hadn't been shot in the head for stating the truth.
Call Me OneTrackcallmeonetrack on February 7th, 2009 10:32 pm (UTC)
I thought at first it was a flashback. Now could it be a dream? I guess the show makes so little sense though it could actually have happened.
The writer's interview with Mo Ryan at the Chiago Tribune says it was supposed to be tricksy on purpose. Apparently it was real and in Gaeta's quarters (an RDM idea to make it tricksy. eh.)

the writing, which very clearly has wussed out on Kara making a clear decision or addressing any of the complex emotions between her and Anders.
Ah yes. I think next week will be the end of the Kara/Sam romantic stuff. Just my spec.

Lee made it obvious he was there for Kara if she wanted him (in the brig scene). Ever since then she hasn't acted on it.
Really? Hmm I didn't get that at all from the brig scene. I thought it was a "let me give you some confidence/kiss you goodbye so I can go play at destiny too." I wish they'd kept the extended bit with Aurora, that was a much bigger commitment between them I think and then I would've read it as Lee extending a promise of sorts to Kara. (But then the Lee/Dee stuff REALLY makes no sense...sigh. I guess it's best not to try to figure it all out. The writers will do what they do. For contrivance sake I'm sure they're stretching this out to the finale.)

Yeah, good call! :D That was glorious. If only he hadn't been shot in the head for stating the truth.
It'll be interesting to see if/how they resolve this total dictatorship they've worked their way into.
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daybreak777: gaeta - excuse me?daybreak777 on February 7th, 2009 02:09 pm (UTC)
he dies the martyr's death I predicted and Kara never gets over it
No! She'll get over him. She loved Lee first. History books are gonna write about them, Bop. Yes.

it's ok to kill people without trial as long as you're the good guys.
Sigh. Yes. I don't know who's good or bad anymore. Last night I was ragey and taking frakking names! Now I don't know. I like some of those people. It's all very bizarre.

After that, my only hope for liking anything else on this show is Lee realising that his father is a dick and there's no democracy and just taking charge himself and sorting shit out. What's the chances? Pfft.
I don't know. What was that bit in Revelations about? About childen and parents? Though if the kids were going to take over, why not in this episode? And you're right. At least Gaeta gave Adama a farce of a trial. Gaius got a trial. My boy got a bullet, oh, don't even get me started.

Even though they killed my Gaeta, this was not a bad episode at all. Why? Anything that makes me feel on this level is good storytelling and acting all around. And the interesting thing is there was suspense! I actually didn't know how it all would play out until the end.

All I have for now. I want you to be happy too. What if Sam lives and Kara gets together with Lee anyway? I know. Crazytalk. :-)
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lee in darknessbop_radar on February 7th, 2009 10:16 pm (UTC)
Sorry, DB, it's a dealbreaker for me: Kara had to choose Lee while Sam was still alive. She didn't.

I think Gaeta's death is easier for me to process in some ways because I already hated Adama and all he stands for. It is harder for you because you love some of those people very much. Poor sweetie!

if the kids were going to take over, why not in this episode?
Why not 5 episodes ago when Roslin was on the basestar? She should have died then, Lee should have remained president, and Kara should have deposed Adama for being an alcoholic lunatic. Just my personal opin there, obvy!

At least Gaeta gave Adama a farce of a trial. Gaius got a trial. My boy got a bullet, oh, don't even get me started.
I know. That actually made me end the whole episode in total rage after having remained at a general level of 'meh' through the rest of it. It was predictable but it wasn't actively appalling until that final bit. But the fact that there was no trial just makes a farce of the whole show, as far as i'm concerned. You see... I have rage, just in a different way to you.

Don't worry about me being happy. WAAAAAAY too late for that.
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K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Jamie whateverbop_radar on February 7th, 2009 10:18 pm (UTC)
I did love Tigh's snark at Sam. ;)

I would have been more moved by the death of the Quorum had they not always been so absurd in their Greek-Chorus-ness.

And yeah, um, it's going to be a damn empty meeting.
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m_a_r_i_k_s: black&whitem_a_r_i_k_s on February 7th, 2009 03:55 pm (UTC)
And then of COURSE he got melodramatically shot and bled all over her and she had to be All About Sam and abandon Lee again. There's only two ways this will end: 1) he dies the martyr's death I predicted and Kara never gets over it or 2) he recovers slowly and they get back together and work through things. Either way, there goes my Kara again... Makes a farce of the kiss and Kara/Lee team stuff last week. She just wished he was Sam, let's face it.

I think you're overreacting here Bop.
Tell me, did you expect Kara to leave Sam bleeding to death in the hallway? Lee was going to help her carry Anders to sickbay, he actually forgot about his father for some time and he would to anything for her at that moment and Kara knew it! So being the soldier she is - she had to tell him to go after his dad to refocus him on the mission they had. Also, she was so desperate to make him go because she was scared as hell to risk losing him and the Old Man as well. She shouted his name like four times to get his attention! There's a few second of pure understanding between them in that scene... they just look into each other's eyes so closely and there's no need to say anything.

And think about this. Lee wouldn't have left Dee in the same situation! I get it and I respect it in Kara as much as I do in Lee. In fact, I wouldn't respect Kara as much as I do if she just walked over her wounded husband and abandoned him just like that. There could be nothing more OOC. The fact that she stayed with Sam doesn't mean that there's some epic "soulmates/love to death" meaning in her actions. She just cares about him. You might not like it but you better accept that both Lee and Kara care for their spouses.

So this scene doesn't taint the last episode's L/K kiss for me.

Also there were some great L/K moments in this episode."It would have been funny if you did it" is so much them! I adore my Lee turning into Starbuck here and her being absolutely bewildered about it :D
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Kara/Lee awesome sexybop_radar on February 7th, 2009 10:25 pm (UTC)
Oh, I can see I've caused some confusion. My issue is not with Kara's compassion for a dying husband, but with the contrived writing that sees not only Lee toying with Dee again, but also Kara realising her True Love for Sam just before he (I'm assuming) dies. Yes, the two of them have been treated equally by the writers. But I find both instances of writing absolutely ridiculously contrived and MASSIVE copouts on the part of the writers. Oh, how convenient that Kara doesn't actually have to address any of the complex issues in her relationship with Sam (he's a Cylon, he lied to her, she doesn't know who SHE is). I am angry because I predicted this would happen and it renders any Lee/Kara anything from now on a complete joke to me. I'm angry at the writers, not at Kara.

I have to admit I did miss the moment of 'pure understanding' that you spoke of. It felt more like Lee realising he couldn't count on Kara to me, but completely understanding why because she needed to be with her husband.

You might not like it but you better accept that both Lee and Kara care for their spouses.
I do. I always have. But I bet you there IS some epic soulmates aspect to Sam's death. And even if there isn't... Lee made it clear that he was there for Kara if she wanted him. Kara has ignored that. If she turns to Lee after Sam dies then that looks like she's treating Lee as second choice. Which is how she's always treated him. I want better than that.

this scene doesn't taint the last episode's L/K kiss for me.
For me, it put it in perspective. She would have kissed anyone with that much adrenalin pumping through her. That's ok. But I just should remember it doesn't mean anything when she does that.

I did love the moment you loved as well, with Lee messing with Kara. It was adorable.
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thrace_adama: Politician Lee sternthrace_adama on February 7th, 2009 10:08 pm (UTC)
Sorry you didn't like the ep, bop! I really did, despite the K/S stuff (my opinions about this are very similar to those of m_a_r_i_k_s and daybreak777). I really hope the show can redeem itself in your eyes by the end--it's holding its own with me at the moment.

I do hear ya, though, on some things. The mutiny was tied up too neatly overall, and ITA that Adama is *not* handling the PR well. Which makes me sad, 'cause I think he's done the best he knows how for the most part and has good reasons for the decisions he's made (Gaeta saying he just left them to rot on NC? Though Gaeta for the most part had very good points in his argument against Adama, I felt that was a bit unfair. Adama came back as soon as he had a chance of getting them off that planet. And he was completely against the fleet settling there in the first place, as well!). And yes, the Roslin/Adama teary reunions in practically every ep are getting old.

Re: Lee condoning the firing squad. The execution of Zarek and Gaeta seemed to be a day or so later, so you never know. Some kind of hearing (though obviously not a real trial or anything) could have happened. But even if it didn't I have to say I really don't hold that against Lee. Zarek and Gaeta were a threat, and as long as they were alive that wouldn't change. They were a case of "clear and present danger" in that their rhetoric could have continued to incite the other mutineers, and there is no question in my mind that their remaining alive would have meant a constant threat to the president and to the admiral and ultimately to everyone who stayed loyal to the government and/or military. Adama might *have* to pardon most of the other mutineers simply because the human race must go on and because they participated in varying degrees and whatnot (Kelly even switched sides!), but not executing Zarek and Gaeta would have allowed for the growth of some of the remaining seeds of mutiny that must exist throughout the fleet. Furthermore, cases in which the leaders are executed and the rest are pardoned are many in history, so BSG's writers may very well have modeled those last minutes after such a case.

Oh, and Romo! I loved his stuff in this ep---waaaaay better than what we got with him in "Sine Qua Non" for sure!

ETA: Ugh. Sorry for all the editing!

Edited at 2009-02-07 10:15 pm (UTC)
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Leebop_radar on February 7th, 2009 10:31 pm (UTC)
Though Gaeta for the most part had very good points in his argument against Adama, I felt that was a bit unfair. Adama came back as soon as he had a chance of getting them off that planet. And he was completely against the fleet settling there in the first place, as well!
Yes, one thing which I have found very well written is the way that Gaeta's arguments are largely extremely sound and fair but they veer into hyperbole around some particularly emotional issues. And that highlights how Adama's actions can appear in a different light to someone who isn't unquestioningly on his side. I find that very believable and interesting, while agreeing that it's not the whole truth. That was why, for me, I was desperate for a dialogue to be opened between the mutineers and Adama/Roslin. For there to be some explanation from A/R of how things had come about, some compassion... and for the mutineers to get a chance to voice their fears and anger and then come to a place where they needed to move forward together. HA! Instead we got this OTT clampdown and refusal to discuss any of the valid issues.

I hope they do pardon the rest of them. I assume they will. And I see where BSG is coming from, but the result is that in having NO dialogue at all between the authorities and those concerned about a Cylon Alliance, by simply saying 'you're wrong', they have lost my sympathy forever. Just a personal thing, I guess.
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smact46smact46 on February 9th, 2009 02:31 am (UTC)
Sorry you hated it Boppy. I too, hate the thought of executions of any kind.

I have chosen to focus on the good bits (Lee and Kara - I am nothing but predictable - Lee was just frakking awesome this week), and I hope that the powers that be will put us out of our misery re Kara/Sam soon, one way or another. I don't think that Sam will die, somehow...I have no basis for this, just my gut feelings. I would also like to see Kara *choose* to be with Lee, and not just because Sam is dead.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Kara/Lee separationbop_radar on February 9th, 2009 09:23 am (UTC)
Last week I feel i did really well at focussing on the good bits, this week not so much. It's a good idea though.

I hope you're right about Sam--and glad I'm not the only one that wants Kara to choose Lee, clearly, while Sam is alive.
fruitsome: l_caingrapefruitzzz on February 13th, 2009 08:02 pm (UTC)
I'm of mixed opinion. For something that was insanely annoying, it was well-done (unlike Clark grovelling at Lana's feet :D ). It was a bit much for them to execute Gaeta so quickly, without a trial and after his horrible recent disability and probably mental instability. Zarek I don't mind so much, because he's always been a dangerous stirrer and nearly pulled the same crap on Kobol. If not poor Gaeta, it could have been any one of them who went that way.

And yes indeed, AdamaandRoslin are a scary two-headed tyrant, no better than the people they're executing. It's so goddam annoying that they think their way is self-evidently right and all other opionions are treasonous. I understand it as a military viewpoint, but Roslin's smugness has always grated - and now they're welded together in weepy love.

Sam really is the little maiden tied to the railway tracks, isn't he? I don't mind Kara being all over him, because she's always been emotionally all over the shop and he was bleeding from the neck while Lee was bellowing healthily next to her. (Btw, loved seeing little Lee fling Kelly across the room and scream at him. Shame it was in support of his crummy papa). I loved the scene of Baltar sharing a last fag with Gaeta and being there for him.

BTW, saw the trailer for "Law & Order UK" yesterday. Lee had his puffy politician hair, the same suit and a hilarious mockney accent. Heh.

Oh - just realised something. I don't mind them being all clingy and yet slutty because I still think of everyone as being In Wartime and grabbing whatever happiness they can get. It started with Dee randomly kissing Billy and I've sort of put everyone in the same category.

Also, when Kara shot Lee and he was lying on the floor bleeding to death, she didn't go to him and help him - Dee did that. She was outside the room in complete whispery hysterics....well, I thought it was shippy ;) The writers are totally messing with the romantic stuff, though. Mind you, they think A/R are the perfect couple.

Edited at 2009-02-13 08:20 pm (UTC)
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Kara/Lee dreamybop_radar on February 13th, 2009 09:49 pm (UTC)
For something that was insanely annoying, it was well-done
True. Like you I don't really mind Zarek being executed (except in so far as I oppose execution in general) but found Gaeta's death tragic. The last scene of Gaeta and Baltar was great though.

Shame it was in support of his crummy papa
Yes. That's how I feel all season. Sigh.

Lee had his puffy politician hair, the same suit and a hilarious mockney accent. Heh.
HA! I have this terrible feeling I'm going to wind up watching it. But I do not like the puffy hair and imagine the mockney will grate. :/
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