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02 March 2009 @ 10:11 pm
A short BSG-related rant  
Wow. It actually got worse. I didn't think that was possible! *blinks* Damn, I wish I'd bailed when you did, mskatej!

I don't actually have anything to say about the episode because it would be a waste of time to think about it. Mostly I'm just boggling at the fact that we are so near the finale and there is still nothing interesting happening.

The episode before this one? 'Deadlock'? HUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. But at least it had humour.

Increasingly I think of BSG as two shows. The one from 'before' which I fell in love with (and still adore) and the one from 'after' which is one of the most boring, nonsensical bits of television ever.

If I was a) more bitchy and b) had more time, I would write a post deconstructing the disturbing aspects of RDM's psyche and/or personal neuroses and delusions that are reflected in the show's dying episodes. But I actually feel like I've thrown WAY too much of life away already caring about this bullshit.

I'll hang on to the first couple of seasons, sure. But no matter how 'good' this finale is, it's too late for me.

Basically, right now, in order for me to feel at all like I got something out of the finale, it would have to burst out of my computer screen and hand me a winning tattslotto ticket. Then I might actually pay that it was awesome. Otherwise, waaaay too little too late dudes.

The only thing I'm even slightly emotional about any more is Lee, and I just really REALLY wish that he was not still in this damn mess. I have a horrible feeling they will whip him out for the finale to tug our heartstrings and then they will stamp up and down on our remaining organs as well.

Well, sorry, TPTB. Jamie has a new show. That's right! I am DITCHING YOU FOR A PROCEDURAL. *g*

If anyone is in any doubt about what, exactly, my issues with BSG are, they are what she said (and kudos to the wonderful queenofthorns for actually still having the energy to write about it!), except a whole lot more so.

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Kate: Flight of the Conchords: the boysmskatej on March 2nd, 2009 11:44 am (UTC)
*CUDDLES*

I don't miss it at all and I'm not even curious about what's happening, although maybe some day I will watch these last eps just so I can say I saw the whole series. Or maybe not. :D
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lee!facebop_radar on March 3rd, 2009 07:09 am (UTC)
Yeah, you ain't missin' shit.
brokenmnemonic: Leebrokenmnemonic on March 2nd, 2009 12:57 pm (UTC)
I found the podcast for the most recent episode to be abhorrent, in that it confirmed some of my worst suspicions about the writing on BSG. It confirmed that the writers are doing fucked-up things to characters not to serve the plot, not to advance the overarching theme, not to meet an ultimate end, but simply because they can. In fact, they're now actively doing things that are fucked-up because they can't imagine not taking an opportunity to screw a character up.

When did BSG go from being an intelligently written and evocative tv series to being this televised equivalent of pulling the wings off flies?
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Kara/Lee plottingbop_radar on March 3rd, 2009 07:12 am (UTC)
abhorrent
Yes.

Somewhere inside me there is an essay on the subject of BSG as failed storytelling. In an effort to be edgy or innovative or shocking, they've thrown out important storytelling fundamentals--forgetting that those are the building blocks with which you build ANY narrative--if you want to be creative or thrilling successfully, you need to find a way to do that while still respecting viewer expectations, need for catharsis and resolution. It's all about managing the emotional narrative--and that's not been done at all in Season 4.
Sizequeensizequeen on March 2nd, 2009 01:13 pm (UTC)
Around the middle of season 2...
Elli: pushing daisieselli on March 2nd, 2009 01:45 pm (UTC)
I'm still watching... but I never was as emotionally invested and well..it went downhill from mid season 2 for me and at this point character motivation on this show is nothing I can follow.

And that review you posted voices everything I fell is wrong with the show.

*hugz*
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Kara/Lee lolbop_radar on March 3rd, 2009 07:12 am (UTC)
Yeah, nothing I can follow either.
chani86 on March 2nd, 2009 04:13 pm (UTC)
I saw your post on queenofthorns I normally don’t like to spam other people’s LJs with negaivity, but since you seem to feel the same way I do, I hope this will be okay.

I’ve finally had enough. I obviously still care as evidenced by my many posts of rage, but the show is having an effect on my moods lately, I don’t think that’s worth it.

Does anyone else have the feeling they’re just trying to make the time pass until the finale? If they didn’t have more story to tell, they really should have gone for a 13 episode season. I’ll probably read a recap of the finale and see if it’s worth watching, but with all the insights into RDM’s thought process lately I don’t think I’ll be tempted.

I hope they don’t revive K/L for the finale, after showing K/S as the OTP of the show for four episdes, but I’m not putting it past them. As for Lee I think RDM should have killed him off, if he couldn’t think of anything to do with him. I always thought they liked Jamie, even if they hated Lee, so they didn’t want to make him leave the show, but one sentence an episode doesn’t sound like they’re appreciating him as an actor either.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lee Presidentbop_radar on March 5th, 2009 05:05 am (UTC)
It's totally ok!

And I went through months of rage, personally, until I finally clicked that it really wasn't worht my energy any more. I used to write meta for the show joyfully, then I used to write it out of a sense of obligation and finally I gave up. I don't even care about spoilers any moer!

I hope they don’t revive K/L for the finale, after showing K/S as the OTP of the show for four episdes
SAME. But they so will. They'll do the last tokenistic hoorah, in order to hedge their bets with their audience. COWARDS.

I think Jamie may have fallen out with them a bit toward the end, but even if they didn't, I think the complete underappreciation of Lee as a character would have overwhelmed other factors by now, alas.
chani86 on March 5th, 2009 06:04 pm (UTC)
Oh absolutely, not worth the bother, I read recaps before deciding wether I'll watch an episode or not, so spoilers are my least concern.

They'll totally give both K/L and K/S some special moment of everlasting love blah blah, to satisfy all the fans, but it won't mean anything. I've called it along time ago, with all this kissing and angsting over other people in the next scene.

Yeah I think you could be right, would explain why Jamie didn't seem very relaxed at ComicCon, if they really didn't get along towards the end. But what really still bugs me is that everyone goes on about how deep and artistic RDM's writing is, when his favourite characters are the most stereotyped and one-dimensional. (I don't hate Helo or Sam, but they're not very conflicted or deep characters even with Sam's Cylonity).
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Ericabop_radar on March 5th, 2009 10:26 pm (UTC)
They'll totally give both K/L and K/S some special moment of everlasting love blah blah
Yeah, how cheap is that? I kind of think of BSG as a street-corner whore these days...

what really still bugs me is that everyone goes on about how deep and artistic RDM's writing is
Oh I know. That really bugs me too. I think a lot of fans have rose-tinted glasses, and in part that may be to keep sane and to preserve some small fragment of enjoyment from the show--that much I can understand. But the people that actually laud him as being a creative genius are really deluded. He created an interesting universe and that seems to have worked steadily to make it less and less interesting, more and more cliched and stereotypical (and sexist!), and then also not provided a solid, consistent narrative.

I was happy to see Slate coming out with this: http://www.slate.com/id/2213006/ Sounds
chani86 on March 5th, 2009 11:53 pm (UTC)
He created an interesting universe and that seems to have worked steadily to make it less and less interesting, more and more cliched and stereotypical (and sexist!), and then also not provided a solid, consistent narrative.

Yes I think that's an accurate description, and all of this adoration for the writers has really gone to his head, how pretentious does he come across now? Also I'm really tired of hearing how a bad epsisode of BSG is still better than anything else on TV, because that might have been the case at some point but not anymore. The narrative sucks, that's a big problem!

Thanks for the link, some really good points there (esp. about the human women and the lack of interactions between women). I'd add to it that TV tends to just tack "male" qualities on to women and call it feminism and I think BSG is guilty of that too. But I don't think they were ever concerned by being feminist, it was probably just some good press for them.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Kara/Lee plottingbop_radar on March 6th, 2009 09:31 am (UTC)
'm really tired of hearing how a bad epsisode of BSG is still better than anything else on TV, because that might have been the case at some point but not anymore
Absolutely!! I might have said that in, like, season 2. But no longer! It's just absolutely NOT true. There is HEAPS of better television out there. It just takes some patience to find it. I watch a lot of shows that are superficially a lot more flawed than BSG, yet they occasionally chalk up moments of real brilliance. And oddly I find that more satisfying than seeing something that once had so much awesome go down the drain...

I think '33' will always be one of the best hours of TV ever, and there are other things I will always love BSG for. They just aren't in the latter half of the show's production.

I think Ron is a sexist pig who pretends otherwise in order to appear 'respectable' and 'cool'.

TV tends to just tack "male" qualities on to women and call it feminism
Agreed. I worried about this from the start with Kara, but I gave her a chance because my best friend loved her. I did see them 'soften' Kara's character, but when they did, suddenly we were into the old tv cliches about women: reduced to reproductive system, raped, martyred... Kara's such a combination of extremes. In a way that's mesmerising, but to be effective it needs someone FAR more astute, and, hell, far deeper at the helm than RDM.
katiebugs18: Lizziekatiebugs18 on March 2nd, 2009 06:18 pm (UTC)
If I was a) more bitchy and b) had more time, I would write a post deconstructing the disturbing aspects of RDM's psyche and/or personal neuroses and delusions that are reflected in the show's dying episodes.

Oh I really wish you would. Or if not you than someone within (or exiting) this fandom whose opinion I respect. Because I can't help feeling that each and every problem that the show is now facing comes down to RDM and his a) lack of respect for the fans that have been with the show since the mini/S1 and b) he's just lost in his own world where he either can't see what he's doing or doesn't care. If it's A than I'm absolutely heartbroken and will never forgive him for shitting all over us and if it's B than that's just sad and disturbing when you look back at what the show used to be.

I'll be there till the end just to see what happens but...well, I'm not really emotionally there anymore. And I'm heartbroken about that.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!bop_radar on March 5th, 2009 05:07 am (UTC)
he's just lost in his own world where he either can't see what he's doing or doesn't care
I think he actually CAN'T SEE. Which makes me really dislike him because I have no fondness for people who lack self-awareness at such an epic level. I think his ego has been allowed to grow beyond all valid proportions, and there's noone that can rein him in.

And hey, a little bit of A and a little bit of B is how I feel most of the time.

I'm pretty past heartbroken at this point--just disbelieving. But I had months of rage and disappointment about it.
sarmoti: BSG - Lee/Kara boxingsarmoti on March 2nd, 2009 10:33 pm (UTC)
The one from 'before' which I fell in love with (and still adore) and the one from 'after' which is one of the most boring, nonsensical bits of television ever.

YES. I will always, always love the early seasons (and a few eps/moments from other seasons) and luckily that can't be taken away from me. I am really disappointed with the show lately (liked the mutiny arc, but that's b/c it felt like S1-S2) and even if they do some great things in the final episodes, they can't make up for the last 2 years.

But it's also not worth my time to stay angry about it (my *annoyed* posts are pretty short cause I don't wanna spend time on them), so I've mostly been reflecting on the show I loved (the show from before) and the characters I loved (still love, no matter what they do to them) and this helps cheer me up.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Jamie whateverbop_radar on March 5th, 2009 05:08 am (UTC)
Yes, I'm much in the same headspace, I think. I don't like whingeing and I don't want to spend time on something that is not (or no longer) pleasurable. I do think back fondly to the earlier seasons and I will ALWAYS love them, but the rest is a wreck.
fruitsome: c_grinsgrapefruitzzz on March 2nd, 2009 11:11 pm (UTC)
I am still about three episodes behind because I get in every day and sigh at the thought of watching it. In fact, I'm so jaded, I'm going to read all the spoilers, which I never did before.

Just watching JB looking beautiful and well-used on Law & Order, which is at least a known quantity of adequate. Homg, he just flirted with a witness and mmzzbbnmm. Wow, I have never seen him do that before, he's always cast as geeky.

Bet RDM's still with the "Sam's less complicated a hero/Adamaslin are never wrong/robots were born to bicker" stories.
I am DITCHING YOU FOR A PROCEDURAL. *g* Heh.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Kara/Lee boxing challengebop_radar on March 3rd, 2009 07:20 am (UTC)
I totally recommend reading the spoilers. I spoiled myself for a bit in the last few eps and it didn't make it either better or worse--it was just indifferent blah.

Yeah, I get the feeling that Jamie is actually cast as quite the flirt/hottie on L&O (at least in comparison to Old Police Dude!). How refreshing! *g*

Bet RDM's still with the "Sam's less complicated a hero/Adamaslin are never wrong/robots were born to bicker" stories.
You got it! Except that Sam is an Even MORE Special Snowflake now. *eyeroll*
fruitsome: l_archiecandlegrapefruitzzz on March 3rd, 2009 07:32 pm (UTC)
I am still waiting to discover the secret of Sam's special snowflakeness and how the writers thought he was a better Hero than Lee and worthy of all the interesting destiny stuff.

I don't watch just for Lee, but it ruins my confidence in the series as a whole when I keep hearing about his one line a week. Maybe they should have killed him :(

You know, watching JB flirt and get all the lingering camera shots makes me realise how starved I've been. He's in daylight! And close-up! And people actually care about what he's saying! I also noticed that you can still follow the plot if you fast-forward over bits of 'Order' and anything in the courtroom :D
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Jamie Bamber smrt is sexybop_radar on March 4th, 2009 09:50 pm (UTC)
I think they should have killed Lee, yeah. That would be preferable for me.

There is ONE thing that is making Sam's 'specialness' slightly more bearable for me right now but I don't want to spoil you in case you care?

I keep wanting to vid BSG to Jens Lekman's 'Hey (Shut the fuck up boy)' song--because that neatly sums up how I feel about Sam. Except that 'starting' to piss me off is an epic understatement.

We've ALL been starved of the glory of JB!!

I also noticed that you can still follow the plot if you fast-forward over bits of 'Order' and anything in the courtroom :D
AWESOME. Good to know! I like this plan.
fruitsome: c_sluggrapefruitzzz on March 5th, 2009 11:07 pm (UTC)
I think it's getting to the stage where I *need* spoilers, same as my years of hard labour in the Jossverse.

I'm intrigued about how they can make anything out of Sam, he has no human(oid) flaws or cute quirks.

Unlike Lee.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Kara can't notbop_radar on March 6th, 2009 09:24 am (UTC)
Sam becomes braindead. Literally. As opposed to before when he didn't have two neurons together but the writers didn't acknowledge that. :D Now he's a LITERAL babbling idiot.

Unfortunately Kara luvs him more than eva. *eyeroll*

I guess they realised that Sam had no characterisation so treating him as an empty vessel was the only way to go?!

And... is that a SLUG in your icon? o.O
fruitsome: p_foodbuggrapefruitzzz on March 6th, 2009 01:50 pm (UTC)
Ohhhh. Wow, Sam is really the man for that particular 'honour'. I see they've been grooming him for his special destiny all along. Have you seen L&O ep 2 yet?

It's from my daily feed of glamorous and sexy sea-slug pictures...

http://www.nudipixel.net/potw/
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!bop_radar on March 7th, 2009 02:47 am (UTC)
Hee hee! Yeah, 'lucky' Sam! (And yet he still gets the girl. *grumps*)

I have seen L&O2 now! Yes! I am fully converted. *nodes* Jamie + daylight = total win! And he had pain au chocolat jealousy--hee hee!
smact46smact46 on March 3rd, 2009 06:08 am (UTC)

'Wow. It actually got worse. I didn't think that was possible! *blinks*'
Sigh, Deadlock has been my lowest point, and I am avoiding podcasts with a passion, because they were driving me crazy. I don't want to know anymore that what is or *should be* on the screen.

Boppy, I am still enjoying BSG, for what it is. It's not the same this season, and I *do* have issues - especially with the underuse of Lee,and the way that Lee/Kara has been ignored especially, but I still want to see how it all plays out. Maybe it will make sense to me then. I think that this season has shown me that maybe they pulled the pin and finished the series too early, because it seems like a lot of things important to the character development, and the story progression, that should have been included or built up more slowly, have been rushed, excluded altogether or explained in a podcast (- infuriating!!!).

Sigh....I really miss season 1
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Leebop_radar on March 5th, 2009 05:10 am (UTC)
I can't really find anything to like about the show now--if I started watching it in season 4, I'd never keep watching it. For me it's more than rushed character progression--I feel RDM's underlying narrative is flawed, so perhaps I was just never going to be satisfied by where he wanted to take the show.

But I still have the early seasons, which I love.
is that how they do it in the pros?antismiles on March 5th, 2009 03:21 am (UTC)
(This is ridiculously hyper and flaily about Jamie's new show. You've been warned. ;))

I just realized after watching Jamie's new show, episode 2, that I ENJOYED A PROCEDURAL MORE THAN ALL OF BSG SEASON 4 COMBINED. OMG. And since I actually enjoy the mothership, as wisteria_ calls it, I sat through the entire episode and realized: I really, really like the characters. As in, there's no one I want to knife. Everyone's enjoyable. After Matt, I am totally in love with the Crown Prosecutor guy, who is totally AWESOME. Ahem.

And also, seeing Jamie SMILE is like OMG because the last time Lee actually GRINNED was, like, A GAZILLION EPISODES AGO. Oh Matt, I love you so damn much. Have you seen that screencap around from the latest episode where he is flirty with a witness/person who doesn't matter because SHE IS NOT JAMIE OR FREEMA OR CROWN PROSECUTOR GUY? He has the most adorable grin EVER. Aaah, Jamie, we've been SO DEPRIVED OF YOU. *fangirls Jamie/Matt/Lee all over again*

(I am feeling strangely bouncy tonight.)
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Jamie Bamber smrt is sexybop_radar on March 7th, 2009 02:50 am (UTC)
Sorry so late replying--finally snatched time to watch it. And wheee, yes! I am enjoying it WAAAAAY more than BSG. The characters are all pretty likeable, and yeah, Crown Prosecutor dude is interesting and I'm kind of into his angst with the fremale defense attourny.

I like how Matt is flirty and seems pretty easy going, but he also has these moments of thinky as well. Without them become an epic bout of leemo-depression!! They're just punctuation to note that Something Horrible has been encountered. ;)