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28 June 2009 @ 11:13 am
Vid chat: commenting  
After many months of absence, vid chats return! This one's at the request of chaila and daybreak777, and is on the topic of commenting on vids. We're particularly interested in the process of commenting on vids when you're not used to it.

I was an obsessive vid watcher long before I became a vidder myself, and I really wanted to convey my love for vids to the vidders. But I found it hard at first to put that into words--and that's despite being a very word-oriented person! There was something about vids that felt 'new', that felt like they were a world of their own, that felt at worst a bit exclusionary. I imagined the people that put them together were creative and technical geniuses who would look down on my little remarks as naive and silly. Ultimately, though, I took courage and commented a LOT. I found that as I commented, I learnt--through the process of having to answer 'what do I like about this vid?', through reading other comments, through reading responses from vidders and hearing what they particularly responded to in the comment. I became more conversant, but more importantly, more comfortable commenting.

Now, looking back through a vidder's eyes, it seems hilarious that I feared commenting: didn't I realise vidders are just thrilled to hear from their audience? And yet, I admit there are still times when I dither about feedbacking--principally for vids that really blow me away. I don't know. There's something about them that still silences me. I feel my comments have to 'level up' to the vid. Yet when I make a vid myself, I treasure every comment, even just 'good vid!'.

As a vidder I've been able to observe different styles of commenting--firstly there are the comments that 'just' acknowledge enjoyment of the vid. Then are the comments that mention a personal, emotional response to the vid--I enjoy these a lot, maybe because as a vidder I'm always interested in 'reaching' people emotionally, but maybe also because that's the way I tend to comment myself.

Some vids spark 'meta-y' comments on the show or character or issue. Sometimes I think this can actually deter some people from commenting. For instance, if you see a vid being recced as a meta vid and you go there and see lots of people commenting with detailed meta feedback, you may feel it's not worth leaving a 'I really enjoyed this!' comment. But there's nothing wrong with leaving that, if that's the level at which you engaged with the vid--it still lets the vidder know it reached you.

There are comments which focus on the construction of the vid--that mention an effect or the use of motion or a certain moment in the vid that they liked. These aren't always 'technical' comments, though I myself feel anxious about commenting on effects I don't know the names for. But as a vidder, I'd say: don't be afraid to say 'I love the whirly thing at 3.31!'

Which brings us to the people who take the time to leave time stamped feedback. I think this is a real joy to vidders--and in general, seems to be something vidders leave for other vidders. It needn't be though! Time stamped feedback is a great way of giving someone a quick running commentary on the moments you enjoyed most in a vid. It does take a little longer to give than 'regular' feedback and that's part of why it's especially appreciated. The vidder will think 'wow, you cared enough to rewatch and pause at the bits you liked!'

Sometimes a very special vid will warrant even more detailed attention--and that's where vid_commentary and the idea of 'commentaries' on vids come in. Vidders giving their own commentaries on their vids seemed to become popular a year or two ago--and they're very interesting as an insight into the way vidders view their own work. However, as a vidder I'm more interested in finding out how my vid is seen by others than talking about it myself: because that's what I really don't know. Comments give me that insight in little glimpses. Even the most 'obvious' comment may be a revelation. For instance, if someone says 'hilarious!' about a vid that I thought had a few funny moments but that was it, I get an insight into what it's like to watch the vid if you haven't poured over every shot fifty times. ;)

Questions
So to spark discussion, here are some questions about commenting for people to reflect on. They're by no means 'compulsory'--feel free to respond to them or more generally on the topic, as you wish.
- Do you comment on vids? Why or why not?
- If you don't comment, what stops you?
- Are there circumstances where you find it more or less difficult to comment?
- What sorts of comments do you leave?
- Have the sorts of comments you leave changed over time?
- How diligent are you about leaving feedback?
- What do you enjoy or dislike about leaving comments on vids?
- What about older vids? do you still leave feedback on them?
- Where do you leave feedback? Comments on LJ? on YouTube? other streaming sites? Email? If you can't immediately find a channel, how hard do you look for one?
- Do you get annoyed if vidders don't reply to your feedback?
- On streaming sites, do you use stars to rate vids? Why or why not? If you do this, do you also comment?
- What's the most 'insane' comment or feedback you've ever left: the longest? the most random?
- If you became a vidder, did you find (as I did) that the type of feedback you leave to other vidders changed as you became one yourself? Did your attitude towards commenting change?

If you are a vidder?
- How do you feel about comments?
- How actively do you share your vids? (e.g. cross-posting, posting at a strategic time, making a banner) And do you feel this influences the number of comments you get?
- Do you respond to all comments on on your work? Why or why not?
- Are there certain kinds of comments you don't want? Do you make that public knowledge? (e.g. 'no crit please' statement)
- If you get a lot of comments on vids, is there a point at which comments seem redundant? (I ask this out of personal interest since one of the few remaining blocks I have about commenting is for 'big' vids that already have had the life recced and commented out of them. The mouse in me asks 'what could I possibly add?')
- What have been your 'favourite' (sorts of) comments?

Links
This topic has been extensively discussed elsewhere, and vidding's memories section contains some great links. Among them:
sdwolfpup's Vid Feedback 101
gwyn_r's thoughts on the hesitance of non-vidders to comment
thefourthvine's On reccing vids (reccing is a whole other topic, really, but it's a great post)

As a counterbalance to this obsession with comments: thefourthvine's genius Why aren't people commenting? post--which I recommend all vidders keep bookmarked. ;)

Aside
Hijacking this post to pimp a couple of recent vid-related posts:
- For the lolz: vidding anthem
- There's much discussion of streaming platforms at the moment. Personally I'm trying out BAM vid vault. Helpful links: here and here.
 
 
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daybreak777: viddingdaybreak777 on June 28th, 2009 03:50 am (UTC)
I hope I'm not the first comment! Oh, well! That's one thing about commenting in general. I don't like to be first. Especially with vids. Sometimes I feel I miss the point of vids. That I see my own thing and not things that the vidder intended. So if I go first, I'm kind of admitting my ignorance. I know you said the other day that it's okay for a viewer to have their own interpretation of a vid. But I also know how hard vidders work to get their ideas across. I don't want them to feel that they've erred if I get something totally different from a vid.

I comment on fic or vids that cause some sort of reaction in me. It may be an emotion, or rarely thinky meta thoughts, or just something that moves me enough to open a comment box.

My comments have changed a bit over time as I've learned some stuff but mostly not. I like saying that "I loved the whirly thing at minute 3:31." :-) I did that recently with the digitally thing transition in your T:SCC vid. :-) I leave comments on older vids. I don't always expect a comment back on older vids but it's nice. I sometimes get gushy with feedback when I'm excited. It's a bit embarrassing but if I love a vid I have to say it. :-) Like I Kissed A Girl. That vid made me squeal out loud and I think my comment reflected that. I like to leave comments on LJ. I don't have accounts at other places. I'll look hard for a person's LJ if I like something, but I don't usually leave feedback anywhere else. And my feelings toward commenting are similar after making a few vids. I like to give and receive comments. I like discussing!

I am still new at making vids. I appreciate every single comment. I am not into hard-core constructive criticism. I have poured so much into a vid once it's posted, made so many decisions. But I do want to learn. So I am really open to people suggesting programs and how to get certain effects for future vids, and how passages hit them or not. Because I am new, I so appreciate people being willing to help and us all figuring stuff out together. It's one of my favorite things about vidding. :-)

I'm curious to hear others' thoughts!
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!bop_radar on June 28th, 2009 04:00 am (UTC)
Ohh, yes the going first thing! That can be tricky. But if I see a vid with no comments, I feel so sad for it. So often I don't mind going first. :) And sometimes I'm proud--if by some fluke I'm the first to comment on a vid.

There are times when I disguise my reactions a bit, if I think I've had a different one to the 'normal' viewer or the vidder's intention--and usually I'll indicate that to the vidder. Like, I'll say, 'I'm not sure this was how you meant it to come across, but for me...' I don't know if it always works, but I like the vidder to know that the vid can be positive in a different way than they intended, as well as appreciated for its intent. Sometimes it's tricky though.

I also comment on LJ and very rarely elsewhere. I like hearing back from people too.

You asked the other day: do you comment if you don't know the source? That's a good question too. I do, yes. I nearly always indicate I don't know it though, in the comment. Because I think giving people context of where your comment is coming from is helpful. I know as a vidder it is really interesting to hear how a vid looks to someone outside the fandom in question. Sometimes that actually makes you the main audience--if it's a 'recruiter' style vid. If it's not, then I'm more likely to say something like 'I'm sure I didn't get all the nuances, but xxx came through very strongly'.

And now I should go answer my own questions so you feel less lonely with your comment!
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Batgirlbop_radar on June 28th, 2009 04:31 am (UTC)
On commenting
I comment on vids a lot, though, like most people, I have lapses sometimes. I'm on the whole pretty serious about feedbacking though, and even set up a spreadsheet recently to records vids I've watched and whether I've given feedback for them yet.

Unfortunately I still have a few 'blocks' to my commenting though. The first is with older vids--especially those I watched before the time when I realised that vidders like comments on older vids as well as ones on new ones. Because that first watching excitement has faded for me, there are a whole lot of vids I think I've never fully acknowledged or commented on--and that weighs on my conscience!

The second block is with vids that blow me away--as mentioned in my post. One springs to mind from this year: mranderson71's 'Goodbye Mr A'. Good god, how many times have I set out to TRY and leave feedback for that? And you'd think it would be 'easy' because it's a relatively 'light', humour and action vid. But I want to leave detailed feedback and every time I watch the damned thing I just get SUCKED IN!

I find it easier to comment for people I know and trust and have some kind of friendship with. That's the truth. I am still more nervous, especially with 'big' vidders, if I don't know them well. How will they take my comment? Whereas with people I know I prattle away nonsensically with great ease. ;) Also, with people who are my vidding buddies, I will watch every vid and feedback no matter what--but that has fallen apart in BSG because that show was so scarring for me I haven't been able to comment about BSG things for a long time, even if I have watched them (sometimes I have, sometimes I can't bear to).
I never get annoyed if vidders don't reply to feedback but I do enjoy it when they do and it sparks a discussion--that's always cool!

I do rate vids on streaming sites but only the ones I really like--because it seems so cutting to go '3 out of 5 for your MONTHS OF WORK' even if that's honestly how much I enjoyed it. So I'll sometimes give 5 stars to vids I love, but just not rate for anything less.

I think I leave 'insane' comments pretty frequently. Either ridiculously long, or ridiculously whimsical (since I will quite often leave something rather than nothing but don't like to just say 'good vid!'). I don't mind 'embarrassing' myself like that. I also, *cough*, kinda fangirl sometimes. I know I do it. I am faintly embarrassed about it. But I love vids so much, so when a vid really connects with me or is important to me, I feel like I should acknowledge that. I don't mean to fawn on people, but I think sometimes I do. And yeah, there are vidders I idolise. It's probably not a good thing, but I guess it's part of being very into the fandom? I don't know. I try to keep it in perspective and not become a nutjob. ;)

The feedback I leave definitely changed when I became a vidder. Because the way I watched changed too--so suddenly I was able to 'see' what vidders were doing more. I was more able to comment on effects or use the name of a technique. Even just to say 'good use of transitions' was new. But by no means do I think my feedback is 'better' now. In some ways I still think the best feedback is about narrative, character and emotion. I never time stamped feedback before I was a vidder--it was so weird an idea to even notice the time stamp! But as a vidder, it feels so natural. ;)
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K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Blair yelloqbop_radar on June 28th, 2009 09:57 pm (UTC)
Re: On commenting
sometimes it gets a gleeful response and sometimes I am sure the vidder thinks I am an idiot.
Haha, yeah me too! I've often left comments thinking 'hmm, this could go either way!' ;)

thanks for letting me know you thought this vid was just average?
Haha, yeah I know! I kind of threw those questions about star ratings in there because they add such a weird element. It is such a quick form of feedback but possibly the only form of feedback that vidders either don't want or don't get a lot out of. I think the type of person that leaves three stars is the sort of person that normally does the vid equivalent of hitting the 'back' button. Which is totally their right. But I would NOT want to know how many people hit the back button on my fic (I assume 100s), neither do I want to be reminded that my vid is not to a whole lot of people's taste. It's kind of like pissing on your way out... but there's no real way to control it so I hope most vidders just shrug in bemusement.

Dude, who doesn't like to be fangirled? I mean, really!
Ha! I don't know... I've seen some crazyass fangirling in fandom that was not anything I'd ever want to emulate. ;)
mranderson71: Surprise MFmranderson71 on June 29th, 2009 06:12 am (UTC)
Re: On commenting
I was coming in here to ask you about the Katie Freund interview thing, and then imagine my surprise when I see my name appear in one of your comments!

I could never have concieved "Goodbye Mr A" having that kind effect on anyone! It blows my mind - because apart from being as about a personal greeting/congratulations from me to charmax as I can get in vid form, its really nothing more than what you describe - a lighthearted comedy/action vid. Just knowing that means you don't ever have to leave detailed feedback for it (becasue its like you already have!)...so don't feel obliged, OK? Glad you got a smile out of the song parody too! :)

I'm in awe of people like you who go to great lengths about vid watching & feedback (that spreadsheet thing is a true sign of devotion). Ive got a memory like an easily distracted goldfish & I shudder to think of how many great vids I've missed out on over time. My f'list is pretty small compared to most but even that tends to overwhelm me on occasion. And I think that every person appreciates feedback, be it big or small - it lets them know you appreciate what they've done. As someone who has always been better at written communication than the verbal, I sometimes wish I could do it face to face so they can see the genuine joy in my eyes. I've often looked back at some of the stuff I've written and stressed about insincerity.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: The Fallbop_radar on June 29th, 2009 10:02 am (UTC)
Re: On commenting
Interview thing! You are in Brisbane, yes? And I am not. :( I'm sad I won't be able to meet in person.

lighthearted comedy/action vid.
I know, I KNOW! But I like lighthearted comedy/action SO MUCH, and I loved the parody--another genre I'm terribly fond of--and it's all so slick and makes me grin every time and is totally one of my favourite vids of the year and I've wanted to rec it but been all 'but you have to leave FEEDBACK first, you dummy!' about it. And I swear every time I watch it I just get put in a distractedly good/amused mood that somehow proves antithetical to actually commenting.

Ohh, it's like comment confessional time in here now!

It is because I too have goldfish mind that I made the spreadsheet. Unfortunately I still forget to use the spreadsheet... but I can try!

Yeah, I do wonder what it would be like to see people's true reactions--both terrifying and awesome, I imagine.

That icon always slays me.
mranderson71: Viddingmranderson71 on June 29th, 2009 06:12 am (UTC)
Re: On commenting
Heres my responses to your questions:
- Do you comment on vids? Why or why not?
I comment on vids that I have genuinely enjoyed or been entertained or impressed with the technical level of (and not the just "effects heavy" type)

- If you don't comment, what stops you? Are there circumstances where you find it more or less difficult to comment?
This is a little hard to break down simply - though it pretty much boils down to if I can't find anything to say positively about a vid, then I don't feel I should say anything...even though there might be certain aspects which I thought were quite solid. The help/advice you might give could be misinterpreted - and the aftermath that ensues just isn't worth it.

- What sorts of comments do you leave?
Pretty much only positive ones. Even when people are ask for concrit or betas I don't feel comfortable doing so.

- Have the sorts of comments you leave changed over time?
No not really.

- How diligent are you about leaving feedback?
While in most cases I comment straight away, I can fall behind...on a couple of occasions it was a couple of weeks or a few months!

- What do you enjoy or dislike about leaving comments on vids?
By letting them know that their creation has genuinely entertained me.

- What about older vids? do you still leave feedback on them?
Yep!

- Where do you leave feedback? Comments on LJ? on YouTube? other streaming sites? Email?
Mainly through LJ, though I make the occasional comment through the streaming version. Also on forums.

- Do you get annoyed if vidders don't reply to your feedback?
Not in the slightest.

- On streaming sites, do you use stars to rate vids? Why or why not? If you do this, do you also comment?
Yes sometimes. Its an instant visual represtation of how you feel about the vid. I sometimnes comment as well, though its probably under 20% of the time.

- What's the most 'insane' comment or feedback you've ever left: the longest? the most random?

- If you became a vidder, did you find (as I did) that the type of feedback you leave to other vidders changed as you became one yourself? Did your attitude towards commenting change?
I think as you get to know others the way you comment does change because you are friends & you get more comfortable with

If you are a vidder
- How do you feel about comments?
I enjoy reading peoples reactions to my creations, whether they be good or bad.

- How deliberately do you seek comments out? (e.g. cross-posting, posting at a strategic time, making a banner) Do you feel these things do 'work' to get more comments?
Its more about sharing than seeking out comments. My vids are generally intended for me first & foremost, but I realize that others might also enjoy my creations. Comments are simply a by-product of that experience - where if you were in a room you could see peoples reactions to your vid, where as if its posted on the net a comment is the only real indication that they enjoyed it.

- Do you respond to all comments on on your work? Why or why not?
I do make an effort to respond to all comments on my vids, though I have slipped on the odd occasion...Ive done my best to backtrack on nearly every occasion though.

- Are there certain kinds of comments you don't want? Do you make that public knowledge? (e.g. 'no crit please' statement)
Only ones that are meant to be hurtful to me or someone else - thats just trolling and I won't tollerate that sort of crap.

- If you get a lot of comments on vids, is there a point at which comments seem redundant? (I ask this out of personal interest since one of the few remaining blocks I have about commenting is for 'big' vids that already have had the life recced and commented out of them. The mouse in me asks 'what could I possibly add?')
No comment is ever redundant.

- What have been your 'favourite' (sorts of) comments?
I do like it when people do timestamps, as it specifically lets me know what they liked about a certain sections. Also if my vid makes them go out and rent/buy the source Ive used...that always a smile maker!
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Clark identity crisisbop_radar on June 29th, 2009 11:50 am (UTC)
Re: On commenting
The help/advice you might give could be misinterpreted - and the aftermath that ensues just isn't worth it.
Yeah, I wonder sometimes if the unspoken rule that you don't give concrit is unfortunate, since to do so is inevitably viewed as attacking someone--when in fact it's really kind of someone to take the time. I respect the right of anyone to say they don't want crit--if that's not what they're here for--but in some ways I feel it would be good if we could be more open as a community to feedback of the not-purely-squee variety. But like you, I confine myself to positive feedback--and that feels pretty natural, since I watch vids because I enjoy them, after all!

Its more about sharing than seeking out comments
That's a good way of looking at it, and I realise now my question betrays my own insecurities and isn't as neutrally phrased as it should have been. I might edit it...

if my vid makes them go out and rent/buy the source Ive used...that always a smile maker
Ohh, yes, good one! :) I love it when that happens--and I love it when I find new things through vids. Both sides of that exchange are brilliant!
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: To Kill a Mockingbirdbop_radar on June 28th, 2009 04:44 am (UTC)
On receiving comments
I love comments--they're all good! I totally get the mopes when I don't get them, even when I've psyched myself up for that. Doesn't everyone?

That said, I'm not a quantity girl. I mean quantity is nice, but I tend to treasure long comments or interesting comments more than my comment tally--and I don't obsessively check number of comments. Though I've recently become aware that this can shift a little depending on what type of vid it is. My last two vids are polar opposites: 'I kissed a girl' has more comments than any other vid--and I see why. It's accessible, it's fun, it makes people laugh and it's easy to quickly reply 'LOL, that was fun!' or something like that. My next vid, DLZ, is meta-heavy and bleak, not necessarily a very 'enjoyable' watch mood=wise, and not very accessible to non-TSCC fans. That it has received less comments does not surprise or upset me. So I consider both successful though their comment tallies are different.

I'm kind of shit at all that 'strategic' posting I see going on. I nearly always post when America is asleep (= instantly less votes). I don't even post to comms. I have a bit of a block about it. It seems too attention-whorey to me. I don't think so when other people do it, but when I go to do so myself, there is a voice saying 'get back in your corner!' in my head.

I do respond to all comments. But I forgive those that don't do so when the comments get beyond a certain length--say 3 pages or so. Those vids are rare, and ye gods, who can say 'thanks!' that many different ways?!

I'm pretty cool with all comments though there are times when my ego is sensitive and negative feedback would be touchy for me. No one tends to give that unasked though.

I've had a few comments that made me laugh out loud. For 'I kissed', especially--that made it a lot of fun.

The best comments I ever got, though, were on 'Middleman' because Lee Adama fans ROCK and I will always remember that and love that part of BSG fandom. I think by this I mean: Lee fans are an introspective, emoto-intellectual bunch that engage with things in a similar way to one another--and their love of Lee meant they had a lot to say. That a vid of mine could spark so much discussion and that they didn't feel that it just said one thing, was really exciting. Also it meant I got to squee about Lee with other Lee fans--and that's one nice part of comments. Usually you're vidding something you love, so just talking about that thing is interesting, whether it's your vid or not.
Nora Norwichnorwich36 on June 28th, 2009 05:48 am (UTC)
Re: On receiving comments
You should work on your block on posting in comms. I'm not really a vid watcher, as you know, but as an avid fic reader, there are tons of amazing stories I would never have read were they not posted in comms--either because I encounter them there, or because other people do and then rec them. And I don't think it's attention-whorey at all; that's what they're THERE for. Think of all the people missing out on your amazing vids because you are self-conscious. You owe it to fandom!!

More seriously, though, you could be missing out on awesome vid conversations and relationships with people who are really into vidding but just don't happen to have you on their flist because of your shyness about posting to comms.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!bop_radar on June 28th, 2009 05:57 am (UTC)
Re: On receiving comments
Yeah... you're right. It's funny I know it intellectually. I've tried to get over it several times. I thought 'calling' myself on it in my annual vidding resolutions would help, but it didn't, really. I did it once (I think I posted 'Paranoid Android' to sv_vids) but that was it. Hmm. I will work on it. Thanks for the wake-up call.
Nora Norwichnorwich36 on June 28th, 2009 06:08 am (UTC)
Re: On receiving comments
Your vids are awesome. I mean, I would probably say that as your friend, but I've seen people I know are highly respected in the vidding world say this, so I know it's more than my subjective judgment that you are seriously awesome. And if vidding comms are anything like fic comms, people have to wade through piles and piles of crap to find the really good stuff. So they deserve to have you post your vids there, to make up for the lamecore stuff they've watched just hoping it would be something good.

Maybe you could get someone else to post them to comms for you? Or is that a no-no?
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Audrey Tautoubop_radar on June 28th, 2009 06:18 am (UTC)
Re: On receiving comments
I don't know about the awesome, but I fear that if I post to a comm it will kind of imply that I think I am? I know it doesn't... I know that, but I blank on it every time.

I don't even know if other people posting is a no-no or not! I find reading the rules one of the things that puts me off--by the time I go and do that I've generally talked myself out of it! Especially as I'm afraid of breaking the rules and making a fool of myself in my 'first time'.

And it feels like losing my vidding virginity all over again: what if no one comes from the comm? What if there was no point in posting? Then it will be like only my friends say nice things about my vids, and yet I went and tried to get a wider audience and they didn't want me. How humiliating!

Talking about the fear makes it seem ridiculous, so perhaps this will really help me get over it!
deathisyourart: SPN - Shhhhdeathisyourart on June 28th, 2009 05:08 am (UTC)
WARNING: NON-VIDDER COMMENTING
Do you comment on vids? Why or why not?
I do comment on vids, but the type of comment I leave, the timeframe in which I do so, as well as, how diligently I keep up with it varies. For vids where I am not familiar with the fandom (and have no plans to change that), or for vids that I know I don't have anything lengthy to say I will respond with a simple comment a few lines long within a hours of viewing the vid. Vids that I feel the need to really delve into will stay on my desktop for days, even months before I leave feedback -- as I repeatedly rewatch them and form an appropriate response. The response may take the form of an LJ comment or an e-mail, and I'm fairly certain that the longest I have left was the vid commentary for obsessive24's Red (the exception to this would be vid beta work, which is a much lengthier process when I am not asked for something quick and dirty). Unfortunately, there are times when real life gets too busy for me to keep up with commenting, or I get fandom burn-out and step away from LJ and the internet for a while.

Are there circumstances where you find it more or less difficult to comment?
Yes!!! There are times when I know that something just works for me and I can't articulate why, and no amount of rewatching can change that, or when I know that what I took away from the vid was the antithesis of what was intended and the vidder has been defensive of their vision in the past. Also, there are times when I know how hard the vidder worked on the piece, and there are parts of a vid that show it, but as a whole I feel the vid didn't work, and when I am not being asked to beta that vid I find it really difficult to find something to say without being completely fake.

What sorts of comments do you leave? Have the sorts of comments you leave changed over time?
I like timestamps! In fact, I LOVE timestamps! The first vids that I came across were on a website with no place for feedback to be left and a non-working e-mail address, it wasn't until I came to LJ that I was introduced to vid comments and they were not intimidating for me, so I left a few. Unfortunately for some, I have A LOT to say about pretty much everything, and I came across a number of posts mentioning a lack of detailed feedback for vids in comparison to fic, so... the_reel was born. Then I entered into a long-term vid-beta relationship, and a few months ago sdwolfpup made the mistake of devising the idea for vid_commentary and graciously let me run with it. :P

What do you enjoy or dislike about leaving comments on vids? What about older vids? do you still leave feedback on them? Do you get annoyed if vidders don't reply to your feedback?
Though I enjoy letting people know that I appreciate the effort they have put into the piece, or that I enjoyed their unique idea/take on the material, some of the enjoyment of commenting is self serving; leaving feeback lets me interact in fandom when I am not producing anything (which is often), and it allows me to share my views on media the same way I do in episode discussion posts, but with the actual creator.

If I see that a vidder doesn't respond to comments on older vids then I will not leave comments, I may recommend the vid and talk about it in a rec post, but if I have no reason to believe that the comment is being read then there is little purpose to my leaving any sort of feedback. That being said, I don't get annoyed if I personally am not responded to, but I do get disappointed when I see that feedback in general is being ignored. Anyone who feels like they are being undervalued will eventually cease an activity that takes time and effort with no return, and as the moderator of two communities that survive on feedback of one form or another that does not bode well.

I should tell you that I really appreciated your pimp post the other day for vid_commentary. Thank you!
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Aishwarya lanternbop_radar on June 28th, 2009 06:10 am (UTC)
Re: WARNING: NON-VIDDER COMMENTING
Yes, like you, I take a varying amount of time to comment depending on how involved a comment I'm leaving. I think that's part of how I wind up 'blocked' about vids I really like--I watch them obsessively and supposedly am taking notes for feedback.

or when I know that what I took away from the vid was the antithesis of what was intended
Ha, yeah, that one is a TOUGH one. And thanks for raising the circumstance where you see merit in the vid, but overall it didn't quite come together for you. For vids like that it varies for me... if I have a relationship with the vidder, I'll comment, and I'll focus on the bits I did like--I don't really see that as being fake, but I guess people's views of this would vary. I don't think there's anything wrong with accentuating the positive. But if I don't know the vidder at all and there were only a couple of bits that worked for me, I may decide not to feedback on the basis that my feedback could come over as cutting. Like, if I say, 'the intro was good', they might read that as 'the rest was shit'--and though I might mean that, I don't really see there being any point in being mean to someone like that! Whereas with a friend, they know I love them and their vidding anyway, and if the rest of the vid didn't work for me, that's just part of the natural way of things--no vid works for everyone.

a few months ago [info]sdwolfpup made the mistake of devising the idea for [info]vid_commentary and graciously let me run with it. :P
Ahhh! Is that how it was born? It's such a great idea! I think making commentaries more visible and common will be really good for vidding as a fandom.

it allows me to share my views on media the same way I do in episode discussion posts, but with the actual creator.
Ohh, good point! Yeah, I think that was part of what I liked about the vid_commentary idea too: there's part of me that wants to tell people that their view of a vid, just like their view of the source, is legitimate and others may find it interesting. We interpret shows all the time! And meta or ep reviews are popular to read because people like 'borrowing' each other's eyes--why not do that with vids?

Also, I was invested in my identity as a vid viewer/reccer before I was a vidder. I kind of want to get back to that.

If I see that a vidder doesn't respond to comments on older vids then I will not leave comments, Neither will I.

You're welcome for the pimping! I'm very excited about the comm. :)
Nora Norwichnorwich36 on June 28th, 2009 05:30 am (UTC)
I almost never comment on vids unless you, talitha78 or someone else I know made them, since (as you know) I can't watch vids at home, and only rarely remember to make the time to watch them at work, so I am usually weeks or even months late when I finally get around to seeing vids, and feel weird commenting so late. (I am the same way with fic--I feel weird commenting on really old stories, even though I'm sure the authors are happy to get the feedback).

When I do comment, though, I rarely say anything other than how the vid made me feel, since I don't feel like I have the technical language to get any more specific. But then, I often make similar kinds of comments on stories, where I do have a more technical language, but don't generally think the author is looking for that kind of feedback (unless they're being deliberately experimental in style and it worked for me, or something like that).
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Bellydancebop_radar on June 28th, 2009 06:14 am (UTC)
Yeah, I think a great many people feel weird about commenting 'late'. But I love it when I get late comments on my vids. They almost feel more special because they are unexpected. For me maybe I find it easier because I'm so used to being 'late' in fandom thanks to my damn timezone. I have got used to starting comments with 'sorry for the late ...' or 'I'm sure everyone's already said this but...' I think if I hadn't got over that I'd have become a lurker.

I think there's an illusion that vidders are looking for technical comments. Maybe some of them are, but many aren't, in my experience. But I think because vidding is perhaps more opaque to people than writing, there's more of a feeling of 'if I don't know how it's made better not to mention it'. General comments are the meat and bones of feedback to me--I don't know how it is for other vidders.
thedothatgirl: angelviddingthedothatgirl on June 28th, 2009 12:52 pm (UTC)
Vidder here commenting on comments :)

- How do you feel about comments?
Love them.

- How deliberately do you seek comments out? (e.g. cross-posting, posting at a strategic time, making a banner) Do you feel these things do 'work' to get more comments?

I make a banner for my site anyway and post it also on comms that allow - Hopefully it may make more people watch the vid and I suppose if they want, comment. I could never do 'strategic timing' because I just can't sit on vids once they're done. I suppose that the banner and cross posting to comms will make more people see that the vid exists.It may even get them to watch, but it's their reaction to the vid that will make them comment.

- Do you respond to all comments on on your work? Why or why not?

Yes, even if it's a brief thank you. Just being polite and to show that I appreciate their effort.

- Are there certain kinds of comments you don't want? Do you make that public knowledge? (e.g. 'no crit please' statement)

If someone felt compelled enough to do concrit then I would hope they would send it through a private message. If I want concrit on a vid I would specifically ask (I'm kind of solitary and don't use betas. If I don't see it mentioned as 'welcome' I would never give it myself.


- If you get a lot of comments on vids, is there a point at which comments seem redundant? (I ask this out of personal interest since one of the few remaining blocks I have about commenting is for 'big' vids that already have had the life recced and commented out of them. The mouse in me asks 'what could I possibly add?')

I can totally understand how you would think that but I would welcome all comments even months or years after posting. I have never been in a position where I have had too many comments ;)

- What have been your 'favourite' (sorts of) comments?
Timestamp posts are wonderful but I don't think much of my vids merit that sort of intense focus. I love to hear what emotions they felt watching it, also what they enjoyed about it.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!bop_radar on June 28th, 2009 10:02 pm (UTC)
it's their reaction to the vid that will make them comment
True! That's a good way of looking at it.

If someone felt compelled enough to do concrit then I would hope they would send it through a private message. If I want concrit on a vid I would specifically ask ... If I don't see it mentioned as 'welcome' I would never give it myself.
I agree totally with this statement. It's one thing if it's asked for--and sometimes I have asked--but another thing if it's just plonked on you unwanted. And PM would be my preferred method if someone cared enough to give it.

I would welcome all comments even months or years after posting.
Cool! I think it's good for vid viewers to hear that.

Hearing about emotional reactions is definitely a real buzz--whether the commenter says directly how they felt or it just comes through in the manner in which they comment.

Thanks for joining the discussion!
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K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lois red umbrellabop_radar on June 29th, 2009 12:20 am (UTC)
I am bad, bad, bad at this kind of comment. I like to point out at least one or two specific things I liked in comments, not timestamps, but just something that worked for me
Oh, yes, same! I fail at 'liked it!' comments--though I push myself to write them sometimes for the 'something is better than nothing' reason, if I fear it may take me ages to write something more substantive.

I’ve gotten much, much less shy about leaving comments for vids I really liked as I became a vidder and feel guilty if I don't leave feedback
Haha, yes, me too. Perhaps this is the real reason vidders feedback other vidders lots.

felt like that vidder knew that vid was the shit and all the reasons why. So I recced it instead!
Yeah, that's a good 'out', I've used that one. Because recs are extra special and it's great to have older works recced--and good for newer fans to find older stuff! But yeah, I feel almost embarrassed when I find older vids with shitloads of comments, like I should have known about it at the time.

it seems so arbitrary
Yeah, I think there's a big arbitrary aspect.

I didn’t know that’s why people made banners and such
I don't think it's the only reason--they sure are pretty, and I'm sure lots of people love the graphics work itself--but I have heard theories that it increases the number of people who will download a vid. Doesn't make me more likely to download something but I guess it's attention-grabbing?

I try to respond at the same level that the commenter commented
Oh, yes, good point! I do that. Sometimes I embarrassingly DON'T do that (e.g. I babble at someone that really just wanted to say 'good vid') and I always regret it. ;)

Old-vid feedback is FTW! (but how do you have 'old' vids yet?! :p)
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K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Nodame rockbop_radar on June 29th, 2009 09:55 am (UTC)
Haha, I like that definition of 'old': two vidss ago is an eternity to a vidder, right? And I validate your reccing! I have found that there is ALWAYS someone out there that hasn't seen (or read) the things that seem 'obvious'.
kiki_miserychic: amy coffeekiki_miserychic on June 29th, 2009 01:51 am (UTC)
part 1
I was a vidder before commenting on other people's vids, so I think my experience is different than many others.

Do you comment on vids? Why or why not? / Have the sorts of comments you leave changed over time?
For a long time I commented on every single vid I watched. Every. Single. One. I have problems putting things into words though, so I tended to overuse adjectives. I've never met an adjective I didn't like when leaving vid feedback. Now I leave feedback when I enjoy a vid, as encouragment, or just because I'm in the mood.

If you don't comment, what stops you?
I don't comment if I didn't like it or nothing "clicked" for me. Sometimes I simply miss the post and never see a vid.

Are there circumstances where you find it more or less difficult to comment?
I find it harder to comment on a vid if it's a person that I look up to as a vidder. Other than that, my mood and time constraints dictate feedbacking.

What sorts of comments do you leave?
Sometimes my feedback isn't so much feedback as saying what the vid meant to me. Other times I'm more or less proclaiming that I like it for the sake of acknowledging that I watched it, but I might not be in the mood to write more than a couple sentences about it. There's plenty of times I'll leave to quick note at first, then come back later for more extensive feedback. I'm a fan of using time stamps because I like picking out sections of vids that stand out to me. Like saying, "yes, there, that," and then going into detail about what I liked.

I've left feedback in quite a few odd ways, like in the form of a macro or as audio while watching the vid on tv live.

How diligent are you about leaving feedback?
I used to be really hardcore about it, but my real life has made me leave less feedback. I missed months of vids I still haven't left feedback for when my laptop revolted and stopped working.

What do you enjoy or dislike about leaving comments on vids?
I like leaving comments on vids I like because it's another form of expression the same way that vidding itself is expression. I dislike how I started to feel like I had to leave feedback and then felt guilty when I didn't have the time.

What about older vids? do you still leave feedback on them?
Yes, but I keep in mind that it's an old vid and the vidder has likely progressed.

Where do you leave feedback? Comments on LJ? on YouTube? other streaming sites? Email? If you can't immediately find a channel, how hard do you look for one?
I leave feedback where I watch the vid. Sometimes it's LJ, sometimes streaming, anywhere. I've sent e-mails too. Not as much lately because my Google-fu is better than it used to be and I can find vidders online. I tend to leave the most feedbaack on LJ.

Do you get annoyed if vidders don't reply to your feedback?
No, except if I asked a question I guess, but even then I know people are busy and forget things.

On streaming sites, do you use stars to rate vids? Why or why not? If you do this, do you also comment?
I do on youtube and I also comment.

What's the most 'insane' comment or feedback you've ever left: the longest? the most random?


How do you feel about comments?
I eat them like Pez.

How deliberately do you seek comments out? (e.g. cross-posting, posting at a strategic time, making a banner) Do you feel these things do 'work' to get more comments?
I guess medium level? I make a banner for the pretty, not so much the comment getting. I usually post to my LJ, the vidding comm, the show's vidding comm, and anywhere else someone suggests to me.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: FNL Tyra lolzbop_radar on June 29th, 2009 02:30 am (UTC)
Re: part 1
I've left feedback in quite a few odd ways, like in the form of a macro or as audio while watching the vid on tv live.
That's cool! Wow. And you win at 'insane'. *jawdrop* (Clearly I mean that term affectionately!) I feel so ... boring now.
kiki_miserychickiki_miserychic on June 29th, 2009 01:51 am (UTC)
part 2
Do you respond to all comments on on your work? Why or why not?
Yes, even if it's to say thank you to be polite. And because I'm a weirdo about wanting the number of comments on my journal entries to be even numbers.

Are there certain kinds of comments you don't want? Do you make that public knowledge? (e.g. 'no crit please' statement)
I'm open to anything except people being douchebags.

If you get a lot of comments on vids, is there a point at which comments seem redundant? (I ask this out of personal interest since one of the few remaining blocks I have about commenting is for 'big' vids that already have had the life recced and commented out of them. The mouse in me asks 'what could I possibly add?')
OMG, what does that feel like? I want to know! :)

What have been your 'favourite' (sorts of) comments?
Any is my favorite kind.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Clark basketballbop_radar on June 29th, 2009 02:32 am (UTC)
Re: part 2
wanting the number of comments on my journal entries to be even numbers
Is there a name for that condition yet? So many people I know have it! (I totally don't.)

I'm open to anything except people being douchebags.
Yeah, right. I can handle douchebags on my meta posts but they better not come near my vids. *waves fist*

OMG, what does that feel like? I want to know! :)
I can't tell you but I've heard fic-ers speak of it...
daybreak777: Hee!daybreak777 on June 29th, 2009 02:37 am (UTC)
Re: part 2
I just have to say your banner/rec made me laugh so hard I almost broke something. :-) That was awesome.

She'll fucking burn your eyes out and shatter your eardrums if you're all up in her vidding grill.

She'll fuck with your brains like Sylar in Heroes . . .
Heeeee! Now of course, I have to go watch this vid. Brainz!!!

Oh, and I thought I was the only one who wanted comments to come out to even numbers too! Even numbers are the bestest numbers. :-)

Off to watch that vid now. Vid chats always lead to good vids. :-)

Edited at 2009-06-29 02:38 am (UTC)
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Empire Records leanbop_radar on June 29th, 2009 02:43 am (UTC)
Re: part 2
Yeah, Kiki's PWND us with that banner/rec. I just... don't think anyone can top it. *dares the world*

I thought I was the only one who wanted comments to come out to even numbers too
It's a pathology, I swear.
daybreak777: viddingdaybreak777 on June 29th, 2009 03:15 am (UTC)
Re: part 2
Wow, that vid was intense. So banner pwnage was totally appropriate. I should comment to the vidder but it's got 263 comments and I don't know the show. And it takes a moment to get your breath back so you can form words. Whoa.

As for the comment number thing, even numbers have usually been good for me in life. :-) And also it helps me not miss comments. If that number's odd, it usually means I haven't responded. So not pathology, just trying not to be rude!
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: as snapped by moibop_radar on June 29th, 2009 09:49 am (UTC)
Re: part 2
The luck thing I get, but what happens when you get comment threads that ramble on in a more complicated way than just comment-reply, comment-reply? That's what I always wonder about with even-number people.
daybreak777: daybreak mountains-no namedaybreak777 on June 29th, 2009 11:19 am (UTC)
Re: part 2
what happens when you get comment threads that ramble on in a more complicated way than just comment-reply, comment-reply?
Well, then you have to let it go because you are having a discussion! Discussions are more important than even numbers. :-) But rarely does this happen. Generally, I answer the person's last comment. I don't want them to feel ignored. :-)
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!bop_radar on June 30th, 2009 04:17 am (UTC)
Re: part 2
Oh! Then I better answer yours! :p
Call Me OneTrack: viddingcallmeonetrack on June 29th, 2009 06:20 pm (UTC)
So glad to see the return of vid chats!

It's odd because I enjoy vids but I don't think I really watch a lot of them. I stick mainly to my key fandom/character/ship for vids (except for those made by friends). If I think a vid is not very interesting or well done, it can be difficult to comment. If I like it, I absolutely comment. On rare occasions, the vid is so impressive I can't gather my thoughts, but I still usually comment anyway with something.

I didn't really comment on vids for a long time, because I watched them on YouTube mostly and I just simply ignored the comment and the star-rating feature there, for whatever reason. They didn't register with me. Now if I want to comment it's always through LJ, which is usually how I find the vids first anyway.

I've always been pretty long-winded. I think as you mentioned upthread I have a better handle on how vidding works now (being a vidder) so I understand transitions and effects and other stuff more and can comment on that. I'm pretty lazy about using timestamp sadly.

As a vidder, I love receiving comments of all stripes. (Would love more crit, but that's hard to come by here.) I cross-post to vid comms and I enter contests. Part of it is wanting to see if anyone else thinks I'm any good at it, but also I always hope someone I don't know will happen to see it there and then come along and comment, expanding my social circles a bit.

I don't specify how people should comment nor do I want them to feel obligated to do so. (Though it is hard not to expect comments, esp. from certain friends, and sometimes it's disappointing if there aren't as many comments when you feel you've achieved something new or special.) I respond to and enjoy all comments received, though personally I prefer longer, thinky comments because not only is it flattering that someone took the time, but it's a chance for discussion about a subject I love and enables me to get to know others better. (I sound pretty ungrateful with this, but the "liked it" comment is kind of perversely frustrating to me, because I am left with nothing to say back but thank you and it doesn't enable further discussion.) I would love concrit but I don't specifically ask for it and I think it's hard to come by here on the LJ.

I always enjoy comments on old vids, because it's always a delicious surprise to find out something has a lasting effect amid the transience of the internet. My favorite kind of comment is probably the thinky one that leads to meta discussions.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: books are lovebop_radar on June 30th, 2009 04:14 am (UTC)
Would love more crit, but that's hard to come by here
Isn't it? I've been thinking more on this in light of this discussion because what's coming through is that Livejournal is a great place for sharing and connecting between the vidder and the vid-watcher, but it's not conducive of concrit. Maybe partly because the vids are in the vidders' own 'space'? And because the silent unspoken rule is don't give crit or people will get upset.

I don't know how to get over it, other than to say, maybe we could form a concrit-ing circle privately? I mean... I know I crashed out of February Vidding Project due to lack of availability, but I had always wanted to engage with your (collective) vids more, and maybe we could kind of resurrect tht? We could do it in PM so random passer-bys don't think we're being bitches to each other. :p Even if no-one else is up for it, I'd happily trade concrit with you, as I'm definitely at the stage in my vidding where I'd like some.
Call Me OneTrackcallmeonetrack on June 30th, 2009 04:22 am (UTC)
Sure! Sounds good to me. Are you thinking more of a beta-thing or after the fact? I think maybe that's why concrit is so rare as well, because once it's created, it does seem a wee bit unwelcome or pointless to say "Well you could've done/tried this..."

I'd be open for either way. Although I haven't vidded anything in a few months. I'm actually working on something now that I just started but it's a struggle, not coming together that easily, so it would be a bit before I had something ready.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!bop_radar on June 30th, 2009 04:25 am (UTC)
I was thinking after the fact--like I could look at your vids and you could look at some of mine and see what we can spot. I am happy with my beta process. I just think there's got to be more to learn from seeing the vid through someone else's eyes. I know I look back on earlier vids and think 'hmm...' now. And I don't want to get dissatisfied with them but it would be good to learn from them.

I don't really have anything currently in draft either--I'm just messing around.

Edited at 2009-06-30 04:25 am (UTC)
Third Mousethirdblindmouse on July 4th, 2009 07:05 pm (UTC)
I feel like feedback is what I owe vidders in exchange for their work. I don't necessarily think it's something everyone has to do, but it's something I personally have to do. No vid gets to leave my unprocessed_vids folder until I've left feedback for the vidder, however minimal. I do, however, have a few vids on my hard drive from before I came up with my current System which I may or may not ever have left feedback on, and I haven't bothered to doublecheck. I also figure that the vidders whose work I saw at Vividcon already sorta got my feedback in person.

I rarely give feedback for vids I didn't like enough to save to my hard drive. This is largely because of that same "feedback as payment" sentiment: I didn't save it, so I'm not obligated to spend the effort of commenting. In cases where I have negative things to say, I don't assume criticism is welcomed unless it is explicitly asked for. Even when it is, I am intimidated by the higher standard negative feedback has to live up to. Any positive feedback is positive, but is my criticism really constructive? Intelligent? Something the vidder isn't already aware of? And then there's the suspense: I don't demand or expect response to my feedback (feedback is what I owe, not an act of generosity), but if I don't get feedback for concrit I am either offended by the idea that I've been ignored or anxious that I've offended them.

Positive feedback, by contrast, is easy. Everyone appreciates being told their vid is awesome, so frequently I just leave short comments saying as much, or I mention some aspect of the vid that particularly struck me. If I have the time and energy, I like to leave more detailed comments with timestamps and all ...but whether I do this has as much to do with me and my current state as it does with the vid in question. My feedback certainly gets sillier and less coherent when I post late at night (which I often do).

The age or popularity of a vid does not influence my comments, except insofar as when a vid post has 20 million comments already, I don't feel bad if I never got around to leaving more than cursory feedback. I frequently do read the other comments first, because I feel bad if I only mention the few moments everyone else mentions about a vid is full of good moments. Inability to do this is one of the reasons Email Is The Devil.

The most daunting challenge by far in leaving feedback is when there's not an easy way to do it ...by which I mean there's no announcement post on LiveJournal (or the like). Email, like I said, Is The Devil. I think I have a YouTube account I created for the express purpose of leaving vid feedback, but I rarely use it -- it's too much effort to remember the password, log in, etc., and YouTube is... well, it's the opposite of email: it's too impersonal. Frequently the YouTube poster isn't the vidder, and the other YouTube comments can be so ugh that I don't really want to think of the vidder as reading the comments there. I've been known to googlestalk a YouTube vidder just so I could find an LJ to comment in. (As I recall, they were baffled -- "Why would vid-related things be anywhere besides YouTube?") I avoid streaming sites in general; vids oughtn't to suffer the defects and interruptions that crop up with streaming media. Plus, downloading and saving vids when there's no download link offered feels a bit illicit.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!bop_radar on July 7th, 2009 11:35 am (UTC)
the higher standard negative feedback has to live up to. Any positive feedback is positive, but is my criticism really constructive? Intelligent? Something the vidder isn't already aware of?
That's so true. There IS a higher standard for negative feedback! I wish that wasn't so in some ways. Sometimes it would be good to be able to just say 'sorry, just wasn't my kind of thing' and have that be alright--because honestly that's how I feel about some vids. I could spend forever scraping up something actually constructive to tell the vidder but truthfully not everything is my cup of tea.

I feel bad if I only mention the few moments everyone else mentions about a vid is full of good moments.
Oh, yes! I agree. I often read other people's feedback first too.

it's the opposite of email: it's too impersonal.
Horribly so, yes.

the other YouTube comments can be so ugh that I don't really want to think of the vidder as reading the comments there
Hee! That's so funny. I kind of treat YouTube comments like a wave washing over me and back off out to sea again. I feel no need to respond to them and I don't think they've got much to do with me of my vid most of the time. ;) Occasionally something amusing gets left behind or I find some little flotsam to take home with me, but that is rare.

downloading and saving vids when there's no download link offered feels a bit illicit.
That's so true. I don't like doing that either and I prefer to download too but I know a lot of newer vidders that find that weird. And that's weird to me because I think *I'M* a new vidder! I often wish I could get to know some of the vidders on YouTube or other streaming sites more but I'm so LJ-centric I don't honestly know how to go about it.
Ms Cranky Pants of the Depresso Blogbofoddity on July 5th, 2009 07:52 pm (UTC)
I'm not a vidder myself, but I love reading meta about vids (as well as watch them myself of course) and it's great to see these chats are back! Minds are always sure to open with these kind of posts, so I'm grateful for them.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!bop_radar on July 7th, 2009 11:23 am (UTC)
Oh thanks! Yes, hopefully more chats soon! :)
theanonsisters: [kathleen] kathleen turner the verbtheanonsisters on September 4th, 2009 11:15 pm (UTC)
- Do you comment on vids? Why or why not?
I'm more likely to rate a YT vid than comment on it - but I'll only rate 5 stars or not at all. Same with LJ comments, I won't comment if I'm not praising it to the skies...I'd personally do handstands for concrit but I don't know the OP feels this way.

- How actively do you share your vids? (e.g. cross-posting, posting at a strategic time, making a banner) And do you feel this influences the number of comments you get?
I post to LJ and YT and I feel I get more fb on YT (waaaay more). Ratings count as fb for me, if I get a bunch of ratings even if there are no words I'm still pleased.

- Do you respond to all comments on on your work? Why or why not?
Respond on LJ, not on YT. I know some people respond on YT but I think the YT space below the vid is too restricted for the OP's words of thanks
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!bop_radar on September 5th, 2009 06:45 am (UTC)
Ratings count as fb for me, if I get a bunch of ratings even if there are no words I'm still pleased
Yay! That's so cool to hear. I'm glad to hear from someone who finds YouTube audience more receptive that way. I like the take on ratings too. It means that people have bothered to watch and consider how much they liked your vid, so I can see how that works as feedback. :) I agree though about the YT space for thanks... I've never responded on YT myself. Sometimes I think it's a pity because I am honestly grateful whenever someone takes the time to fb there.

Thanks for joining the discussion!
theanonsisters: [nonnetta] we are hopelesstheanonsisters on September 5th, 2009 11:36 am (UTC)
I am honestly grateful whenever someone takes the time to fb there
Totally, all fb appreciated, even if I look at the stats and see a referral or embed from someplace I don't recognise then I'm happy. Ever see an embed someplace that you can't actually access yourself, like a personal Russian diary? You just have to hope they're saying nice things!

I think forums are also like this, although I only belong to one. I have my own thread and I only say thanks for the fb when I'm posting something new...I've seen people being told off by a mod for saying individual thanks...
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!bop_radar on September 6th, 2009 06:56 am (UTC)
Oh, no, never had one of those embeds! That's cool though! :) I'm a bit spoiled with the giving of individual thanks here on LJ... I find it a little hard not to elsewhere, but you're right that there are some places it's not considered as acceptable.