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24 January 2006 @ 09:13 pm
Battlestar Galactica 2.13: Epiphany  
It wasn't the episode I wanted, but it still had a lot of interesting aspects.


I was disappointed in the peace movement. Their existence was a surprise but I thought there was a lot of potential in their ideology that was not explored. Their spokesperson was weak. I would have liked to see them explain tactical and strategic reasons for liaising with the Cylons, not just blind ideology. Their ideas about the Cylons themselves seemed underdeveloped as well. They seemed to have more anger about the military than sympathy for the Cylons. I found this frustrating as in many ways I feel my natural sympathies lie with the peace movement: I would like to hear from humans who had thought about the ways in which Cylons and humans might not be so different after all. Or the ways in which they may be interdependent. Instead, there are weak negotiators spouting extremist views, just irritating those in power and thereby getting themselves dismissed. Urgh. Too much like real life!


After I had my breakthrough of empathy with Gaius’s character in the Resurrection arc, I fully expected to appreciate him in a new way. Yet this episode I found myself back in rage about him. Sorry Gaius-y people! It’s not really about him. But he came frighteningly, terrifyingly close to being president and that scares me a lot. The scene with Six reappearing as he walks through Galactica’s corridors reminded us just how mentally unbalanced he is. Of course a redeeming aspect of his psychology is that he appears to dread taking the presidency as much as I dread him doing so! The other discomfort I experienced with Gaius this week was the way he assumed that Gina had invited him to meet with her for a romantic interlude and his insensitive move on her. His flaws were definitely on show again this week: the misogyny, the self-obsession, the instability. (I liked Adama’s line to him: start to act like you can handle it!)

Having said all that, I did love Gaius’s line about being the ‘beacon of hope’ for once. Yet it has a chilling edge to it because once again Gaius determines humanity’s fate—to what end? It appeared to serve the purposes of individuals (Gaius, the president, Sharon, etc.) but also the ‘greater good’ of humanity. Yet it keeps the Cylon-human child alive too: so does it serve the Cylon purpose as well? It was interesting to see that Six had less of a hand in shaping Gaius’s actions this time.

Just what a threat and a loose canon Gaius is was shown in the final scene when he overreacts to Roslin’s letter. There’s a lunatic in charge of a nuclear device! Is it any wonder I fret, people?!


norwich36: I’ll be really interested to hear from you when you get up to this ep, to see what you thought of the Roslin backstory. For me there were a few too many flashbacks in this ep, but it was good to see some background on her. She has reached a position of great strength and I really admire her determination. But the conviction with which she ordered both Cain’s assassination and the termination of the Cylon pregnancy was chilling. It has felt as if she was making these decisions in part because she was desperately running out of time and wanted to secure the fleet at all costs, as soon as possible. On the one hand you could say that her impending death made her more focussed and clear-eyed. On the other hand, she is moving towards a more extreme absolutist type of rule. She consults only herself; she has Adama’s backing, Gaius is too caught up in himself, Lee is estranged and Billy is perhaps still too passive—there’s noone to challenge her. Yes, they need a strong ruler, but I preferred the Roslin who listened and debated more. I am nervous for her and for everyone. It will be interesting to see what happens now she’s out of immediate danger.


Um, so not only was there not enough Lee in this ep, but we didn't get to hear or see what Starbuck thought about Lee being made CAG again. Obviously she supports him, but she must have mixed emotions.

Lee. Not enough Lee. *whimpers* Bless Kara for her lame attempt to reach out to him with 'haven't seen much of you lately...'!
 
 
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rhiannonherorhiannonhero on January 24th, 2006 04:26 pm (UTC)
re: too much like real life. Haha! That was my thought, too.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: TW grinbop_radar on January 25th, 2006 08:30 am (UTC)
Yeah, way too close to home! Made me squirm. ;)
The First Evil: The Cag - siren_iconsasta77 on January 24th, 2006 05:31 pm (UTC)
Having a segment of the population with different goals and wishes did not surprise me. Thus far, we've seen that only a handful of people have a say in the direction the fleet is headed and what their priorities should be and I would think a substantial number of people are feeling marginalized. However, the peace movements beliefs and demands are devoid of logic. It seems like most of their anger is directed at the military (not without reason), so their solution is to make nice with the group that mearly wiped out their race? Nope, not making any sense.

His flaws were definitely on show again this week: the misogyny, the self-obsession, the instability.

And my problem with that is that it is a total character regression. It's as if the last three episodes never happened and it really disturbs me if the show is going to sacrifice characterization to set up a plot point. :(

I don't think Kara has a problem with Lee being reinstated as CAG. She's made it clear in the past that she doesn't like the burden of too much responsibility, so it may have been a relief to her to let the position pass back to Lee. I do think it would be important to her to retain the rank of captain because it was a vote of confidance and respect for her abilities by, first, Cain by promoting her, and then Adama by not bumping her back to Lt.

And while Lee may be CAG again, with more captians at his disposal (Kara and those on the Pegasus) I'm hoping that means he gets to delegate more responsibilities. The boy needs some R&R. ;-)
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: bsg lee/kara politicsbop_radar on January 25th, 2006 08:38 am (UTC)
Yes--I agree about the peace movement. Severe lack of logic there. I couldn't understand how they could have reached this point of view. Surely even if they couldn't really imaginatively compass the scope of the Cylon annihilation of humanity, they must have all *personally* lost loved ones to the Cylons? How then do they feel that just rocking up and surrendering is going to work? Grr! I wish they had been more fully fleshed out, because, as you say, I'm sure there are people in the fleet who feel marginalised and I'd be fascinated to see their perspectives displayed.

re. Gaius's character regression--well, I've always had a really bleak view of Gaius and so in some ways I just groaned and thought 'oh yeah, back to this!' So perhaps I didn't have as strong a reaction against it as you. However, I do agree that it seemed like a regression after the last three eps, when for the first time ever I was really moved by him. At another level though, I feel like he was destined to betray them in a major way at some stage. I guess now's the time.

Yes--I was missing my Kara-pov viewing buddy so I guess that's why I needed the fleshing out of Kara's perspective. I suspect, like you, that she's pretty comfy with how things have worked out.

Lee! R&R! Now! I hope you are right... also, his R&R needs to include some very specific ... um... actions. *prescribes sex and lots of it*
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(no subject) - bloodygoodgirl on January 24th, 2006 09:11 pm (UTC) (Expand)
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: bsg lee/kara hey!bop_radar on January 25th, 2006 08:29 am (UTC)
Oh yay! I love BSG. It's very 'thinky' and it just *begs* to be discussed. I'm glad you're enjoying it too.

Yes, it was very interesting that Gaius was uncomfortable with power. And the shooting of the scene in the corridor was amazing. That sense of him being really on the edge was so well done. That actor is amazing to carry it off so well.

Yes, I'm very excited about this week's ep too! I am off to the beach this weekend but I will set my computer to download so it'll be there when I get back I hope. Eee! That and the 100th SV ep make for exciting viewing. *g*
Nora Norwich: Clex lie to menorwich36 on May 23rd, 2006 05:50 am (UTC)
I made five new icons this afternoon but forgot I needed a BSG one. I wonder where is a good place to get BSG screencaps?

I agree with you that the peace movement was not depicted well, (Actually, by my standards if you're committing acts of violence, by definition you're not a peace movement). But I enjoyed seeing the complexity of opinions and factions in the fleet, however.

Did you leave me that note when you first watched it? Oh, now I feel bad that it took me so long to be able to watch these episodes. Next season I'll definitely download from itunes so we can be in synch.

I agree with you that Roslin's decisions in this episode are initially motivated by her impending death and her need to consolidate power and protect that which she has created. Frankly, I can't argue either with the decisions she makes or why she makes them. In a perfect world she should consult people, but given the situation, I think she was absolutely justified in taking out the threats represented by Caine and the baby.

I was intrigued to figure out that all the Roslin flashbacks were set in basically the same day. That was quite a last day on Caprica she had! I actually loved the flashbacks, both for what we learned about her (her affair with the president!) and because it gave us a chance to see how she dealt with people and what she had learned from working withe the president. I love, too, how the teacher's strike was basically paralleled to the peace movement activists, and how in the end, though Roslin clearly had learned some things for the president, she maintained her own style at the end of this episode.

Did you think all those flashes of Gaius and Six in Roslin's flashbacks were real memories that are just surfacing, visions, or just her subconscious figuring things out? (It's interesting how Gaius and Roslin both have unreliable yet perhaps prophetic visions in this show).

I also, frankly, loved Baltar in this episode (though more in the love-to-hate the intriguing villain way). The terrifying possibility that he might become president really upped the stakes in this episode.
Nora Norwich: Kara Roslin laughingnorwich36 on May 23rd, 2006 07:51 am (UTC)
Here we go: gratuitous BSG icon post. (Though the screencap was kind of grainy, unfortunately--I need to find a better source.) But I'm kind of happy with the color--I lightened it a lot and changed some of the tones. I now spend a lot of time making icons that never see the light of day, playing with color etc.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Kara shootingbop_radar on May 23rd, 2006 11:10 am (UTC)
Oh yeah! That's a popular shot for iconage! It's very pretty, and so squeeful and glowy! I know there is a good BSG screencap place--I'll track it down... Your icons are definitely improving! All that playing around is paying off--how cool!
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Six Gaiusbop_radar on May 23rd, 2006 11:19 am (UTC)
That's an AWESOME icon! *g* And yes, I have a massive collection of BSG icons, but never enough!

Now don't feel bad at all! I did leave the note deliberately for you when I first watched it, knowing that you wouldn't see it for ages (if ever). But yay! Now you have watched and commented! *g* I was missing having you to discuss things with. I would love it so much if we watched in sync next season.

Yes, I think one of the things that BSG shows best is that in extreme circumstances, strong decisions DO need to be made, even ones that go against the usual human moral codes. And Roslin goes through a journey of being pushed further and further into extremity--especially with the added pressure of thinking she's dying soon. She's almost like a mother doing everything she can to ensure a good life for her children before she dies herself.

Yes, it was an interesting choice of flashbacks--all from the one day. I remember vaguely hearing that the writers had made that choice because they wanted to 'fill in some of the blanks' on the day the Cylons attack--in the miniseries, we don't really know what everyone is doing.

Yes, I did enjoy seeing Roslin stand up to the president about the teacher's strike, and it was interesting to think that she has a history of affairs with key power players--that she's mixed the personal and the political before now.

With the flashes of Gaius and Six, again, I'm pretty sure the writers said they were meant to be real memories--and that was my interepretion of them, but I do like the reading whereby it could just be her subconscious working things out. I especially like that regardless, it's knowledge she can't really act on--it could be doubted.

And yes, I do love Baltar now. I've come full-circle with him (though the breakthrough with his character came later than this ep for me). I am looking forward to rewatching now that he is not just nails-on-a-chalkboard to me. Because he certainly is fascinating!

And isn't Baltar as president-in-waiting just the most terrifying possibility? Eeep!
Nora Norwich: Kara Roslin laughingnorwich36 on May 23rd, 2006 05:18 pm (UTC)
I really like that icon of Baltar and Six, too--where did you snag it from? The color is really gorgeous. (It's funny, because I do like that type of icon, with little pieces of people's faces repeated, but when it comes to cropping I am usually reluctant to chop up someone's face).

It's so interesting that those flashes ROslin got of Gaius/Six are real memories, since I had the sense that their romance was a lot more clandestine. (He didn't know she was a Cylon, but she was some sort of paid consultant for a computer firm that he was making government contracts with, right? I can't remember the details--clearly I should rewatch the miniseries!) I'm suprised he would risk being seen in public with her).
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: BSG new genbop_radar on May 24th, 2006 03:48 am (UTC)
dandelicons. This is from the same icon maker. I love the colour in her icons. And yes, I can imagine chopping up faces would be daunting--sometimes it's pulled off to great effect, but I wouldn't know where to begin, or how to know what will work or not work.

Yeah, it was a very different spin on their relationship--to me it definitely gave the feel of them having had a crazy, out of control quality to their love, which I can buy, but yes, I'm also going to have to rewatch as I can't exactly remember her status either--that sounds right though.