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16 October 2006 @ 03:35 pm
BSG 3.03 Exodus  

I fess up. I teared up on more than one occasion during this episode, and I may have uttered a sob or two on occasion. I was a bit miffed by the whole 'one hour earlier' construction, and this episode is obviously a necessary bridge between the premiere and getting them off New Caprica, but it still managed to tearjerk me, despite the obvious limitations in its format.

The problems I was having with Fat!Lee's characterisation were mysteriously absent in this episode. Possibly because he was only on screen for half a minute. Possibly because he wasn't actually stuffing his face in the scene with his father. And yes, that was one of the scenes where I got teary. Lee can still make me cry--when Adama asked him not to make him cry, I completely lost it. And I said I didn't care any more! Clearly this was a BIG FAT LIE and I was in DENIAL. *owns her immaturity*

Not much Kara in this ep, but I see why. I wondered if they were forshadowing Galactica's Sharon rescuing her in the conversation Sharon had with Anders. In which case, there will be two frightened and conflicted mothers fighting their way off the planet.

Poor, poor Sharon! My heart bled for her in the scene with Three--especially when she said 'Adama wouldn't lie to me'. She's fought so hard for those dog tags, and now she's going to learn that the person she put so much faith in betrayed her. And gods help Galactica's crew when Sharon turns on them!

Three's dreams were very mysterious. Was it just one Three model having them? And the human oracle seemed to imply that the Cylons worshipped a specific god--i.e. one of the human gods. I'd always thought (and now I'm not sure why) that they believed all the human gods were one. Of course, the human oracle could be putting her own spin on things, but it was very interesting to see the interaction between oracle and Cylon--particularly the oracle saying Three must be 'terrified'. In other religious themes, I really enjoyed seeing the ceremony between Galactica and Pegasus crews. The reading was perfect for the humans right now--but it is equally relevant for the Cylons. There are divisions on both sides of the war ('Consensus used to be so easy').

My heart bled for Gaius--it was surprisingly painful to see a rift between him and Six. I'm also still caught up in Jammer's plot--I really want to see what happens to him. But the other character who I really felt for this episode, despite myself, was Ellen. Her fragility in the early scene with Tigh was heartbreaking--she seemed on the verge of telling him, before they were interrupted. It seemed as if she knew not only that she'd done something dispicable, but that she'd done something that Tigh himself would not forgive--and yet not even the possible loss of his love could stop her from 'saving' him. What she did was appalling, and part of me wanted to see her punished. But another part hurt for her, especially when she finally crumbled and told Tigh the truth--the horror in both their eyes was very powerful.

I also found Tigh's journey interesting. At the start of the episode he told the Chief to pull it together or he'd risk all their lives. Now he's facing his own personal crisis--will he be able to pull himself together sufficiently? Humans seemed so fragile and self-destructive in this episode, betraying each other and bickering when they should all be fighting to get themselves rescued.

It was interesting to see how insistent Roslin has been on guarding Maya and her child. I think Anders has a brain--I'm sure he's guessed who the child is. Probably his lackeys have too. I think it's going to prove a hard secret to keep hidden for very long.

There was a lot of tension in this episode and no catharsis--appropriate for a briding episode. I got a lump in my throat at all the 'it's on!', 'they've got the keys', 'Galactica's on its way: we're getting off this rock' moments. But I've also got a lot of fear about what will be lost in the struggle. Sharon's child? Sharon? That seems almost certain, but what else? What about Kara and Leoben and Kasey?

And 18 hours. We've still got to get to (and through) those 18 hours of Pegasus waiting for Galactica. And that means more ouchy Lee moments. Eep!

ETA: First time round this post read 'get them off New Krypton'. *headdesk* Possibly my funniest typo ever. Clearly I'm not cut out for this dual fandom thing... ;-)
 
 
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Gio: BSG - Anderspaddies on October 16th, 2006 08:49 am (UTC)
Still loving your commentary. :x:x:x
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: BSG Cybrids just wanna have funbop_radar on October 16th, 2006 11:57 am (UTC)
Awww, thank you! *g*
darenothope: Ericadarenothope on October 16th, 2006 11:50 am (UTC)
I just got past the first paragraph ... and had to comment ... New Krypton??? Do you have SR on the brain?
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: bsg kara eeek!bop_radar on October 16th, 2006 11:54 am (UTC)
HAhahaaaaaaa!!! OMG! That is the funniest typo EVER! *flails*
I am totally in Superman-brain. *blush*
Um, thanks for pointing that one out!
*rushes to ETA*
The First Evil: Laura - Girl Power - Nyusziasta77 on October 16th, 2006 04:43 pm (UTC)
Three's dreams were very mysterious. Was it just one Three model having them?

Hmmm, interesting observation. I'm still a little iffy on the Cylon collective and how much they share with each other. Galactica Boomer, Sharon and Caprica have individual personalities and relationships. We don't see very Six model wanting to jump Baltar. So it's possible it's just this Three that is having prophetic dreams. But why?
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: BSG baby with that Cylonbop_radar on October 16th, 2006 11:45 pm (UTC)
Same. I'm still iffy as well. With the Six's, I get the sense that it's only because individual model(s) have been thrust together with him by circumstance/for a purpose that the attraction has then grown. So I understand that much. But what I find more puzzling is the prophetic nature... Both Three and Leoben now have claims to some kind of 'destiny'. With Leoben, is it just the one Leoben model that believes he and Kara are destined? It seems so. And that's interesting to me because it indicates that the Cylons were differentiated from one another before contact with humans. For a long time, I thought it was contact with humans alone that differentiated them.
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K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: BSG poor slutty Ellenbop_radar on October 17th, 2006 01:00 am (UTC)
IIRC, *Adama* thinks Hera is dead (it's been a while since I've seen the episode, but I think Laura only talked about it with Cottle and Torry; I'm not even sure that Maya realizes Hera is part-Cylon). If I'm wrong about all this, mea culpa, but it would be just like BSG to have Sharon turn based on a mistaken belief that Adama had something to do with it when he *didn't*. 'Cause that's completely tragic in light of all they've gone through together in the past year.
Ohhhh, you know, I think you're right. My memory is fuzzy--I've only watched that ep once, having had to delete it off my harddrive, but the dvds just came and I'll be doing a rewatch, so hopefully I'll be plot-blunder free soon. And I totally afree that it would be very BSG-like to have Sharon turn based on a mistaken belief. That actually seems far MORE likely, now I think about it.

I don't think Tigh will be able to stop himself from making an example of her. He's been *so hardcore* re: collaborators -- last week, he didn't bat his good eye at the thought of the tens of human casualties who'd die in that bombing because from his POV, they deserved it for collaborating -- I don't think he'll be able to barter or negotiate for mercy where she's concerned. And that makes it all *so much worse* because she really did do it for him.
*nods* Yes, they've set that up so well--showing Tigh's extremity, his intolerance of anyone else's hesitation or qualms, his aboslutism. And yet, he loves Ellen and it will tear him apart to do this. And somewhere inside she knows he's never going to forgive her, but she felt so trapped and driven to it by love. So powerful.
blowjobs for jesus: bsg kara leokristiinthedark on October 17th, 2006 01:24 am (UTC)
I *love* reading everything you get from the episodes, especially since I haven't been watching long enough to get all of the layers. Stash and I watched "together", which basically consisted of running back and forth between the tv and computer going "omg omg omg", "I hate her!", "I love him!", "That was sooo sad!" and of course "LEOBEN!" *g* I thought it was an awesome episode and loved it to pieces. It's awesome to come here and have all of the blanks filled in. Yay!

One of the most intriguing parts of the ep for me is something that you mentioned: the rift between the Cylons. *bites nails*

*is so happy to use new icon* :D
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: BSG baby with that Cylonbop_radar on October 17th, 2006 01:29 am (UTC)
Darlin'! You are HERE! *hugs* I was missing you! Yay, I'm so glad you are enjoying it. And I have new icons too!!

I got an idea for a Kara/Leoben drabble this morning, and I've found a Kara/Leoben song I'd love to vid too. It's clearly an obsession--I'm such a traitor! Poor unloved Lee. :-(

I can't wait for the next ep. I agree this ep was great, but I know how well BSG puts together double eps--and it's next ep that's going to have all the payoff. *bites nails*
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weissmanweissman on October 17th, 2006 12:15 pm (UTC)
Great commentary, plus I would never beliee that Sharon would go against Adama. I think she would forgive him, like he forgave her. Roslyn thats another story.

Bob
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Adama Dear Livejournalbop_radar on October 17th, 2006 11:36 pm (UTC)
Thanks! *g* You could be right about Sharon's resentment being focussed on Roslin. I would certainly like to see her forgive Adama.
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Kate: Gaius and Sixmskatej on October 17th, 2006 01:53 pm (UTC)
Boppy, I *sobbed* during Adama's speech to the crew at the end. That was so moving.

I must admit I wanted more Kara in this episode, but I was fine with minimal Lee (not because I don't love Lee but because I'm not interested in Lee scenes if he's not going to be part of the main action). I found the shot of Leoben watching Kara with Kasey quite powerful; love is a prevailing theme in BSG, and I like how humans and cylons both experience it deeply but in different ways.

I also found the Six/Gauis scene painful. It's never easy seeing somebody in pain, no matter how responsible they are for it, and both of them are suffering so much. When he asked her to stay after their fight, I got a lump in my throat, and when she *did* stay... that was just perfect. All they have is each other.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: BSG Dee Fat!Leebop_radar on October 17th, 2006 11:49 pm (UTC)
Boppy, I *sobbed* during Adama's speech to the crew at the end. That was so moving.
*clings* Me tooooo!

I'm not interested in Lee scenes if he's not going to be part of the main action
Yup, I hear you! I'm not enjoying how sidelined he is at the moment, but since he IS sidelined then I'm glad there's not 'token' scenes.

I found the shot of Leoben watching Kara with Kasey quite powerful; love is a prevailing theme in BSG, and I like how humans and cylons both experience it deeply but in different ways.
Yes. It was powerful. And you're right about them experiencing it differently--though I can't quite get my head around the cylon experience of love yet. Any thoughts?

When he asked her to stay after their fight, I got a lump in my throat, and when she *did* stay... that was just perfect. All they have is each other.
*nods* Yes, that was very moving. And it was interesting for me because normally in a scene like that I wouldn't want her to stay. There's an asshat guy wanting a woman to put up with his shit... but in this case I sympathise with both of them so well. *loves*
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K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: BSG Cybrids just wanna have funbop_radar on October 18th, 2006 06:53 am (UTC)
I love when they show little rituals and daily life stuff too!

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I love when they show little rituals and daily life stuff too!

<i<>Do you think Sharon's gonna die?</i>
Noo... but I do think she might completely lose it. Or get left behind on the planet with the other Cylons and have them turn on her. So many possibilities!

Yes, I find Starbuck's relationship with Sharon interesting. Starbuck's really hardcore about hating all Cylons and she likes to think she'd kill Sharon if she could. But I think she also remembers being co-pilots with her. And of course she's friends with Helo. But she's still deeply uncomfortable with Sharon, I think. But could motherhood issues unite them? Again, so many ways they COULD go with this. Can't wait to see which they choose!