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19 October 2006 @ 09:41 am
Heroes 1.01-1.03  
Ok, I'm being boring and posting this before I've seen 1.04, which I know most of my f'list (well, those of you that are watching it) have seen. But I can't take it any longer! I have things to say and they must be said! Both squee and ranting occur below. I've separated them so that you can take your pick. ;-) Believe me, I am COMPLETELY hooked, but I just had a few things I need to get out of my system before I can settle in for the long haul with this show. Feel completely free to skip the rant!


With thanks and credit to supacat. ;-)

This show has to have some of the worst gender and race stereotypes I've seen for a long time. And ok, I don't watch a lot of mainstream TV (other than the equally troubling Smallville), so that means I'm not inured to it. I guess I'm naive. I thought there was enough self-consciousness nowadays about body image, gender and race to avoid this sort of stereotyping. Apparently not.

Let's see what we've got... first of all, some boring white male superheros. Predictable but not in and of itself objectionable. Some female superheroes. Yay! Less yay when you see how skinny and blonde they are. Why was it necessary to cast TWO skinny blondes as superheroes?! Seriously! I think the actress that plays Nikki is fantastic, but I'm sick of size 6s (Australian sizes) snagging the lead roles on TV. Is she supposed to have given birth to that child? She'd have dislocated a hip! Claire looks marginally more athletic, but again--why TWO skinny blondes?

Other female characters--a pixie-ish brunette with another improbable body--her arms are twig like but her breasts still bulge. Yes, this is probably her actual body, but that's not my point: I'd just like to see some more normal looking women on TV. The only woman who approximates normal so far is the cop's wife. She's not only brunette (shock!), she also has what passes for curves on this show. If I squint I can see them... I think. *frowns* And of course she has curves because she's married to an overweight man. Great!

The black gallery-owner woman is gorgeous--thankfully she's allowed more curves, though I can't help being suspicious that she's only allowed her (relative!) curvaceousness because of her race. But OMG, she gets a bad deal! Gorgeous intelligent gallery owner dates heroin-addict artist!? Gorgeous gallery owner dates unemployed nurse with emo trauma?! Puh-lease! She's so far above both of them in the dating stakes! It makes me deeply uncomfortable to see a black woman 'dating down' with these loser white guys.

Which brings me to race... Ok, we've got gorgeous black woman dating loser white guys, then we've got Asian comic relief (Hiro), and a Eurasian god to make us all feel better about ourselves ('I'm not racist--I find him attractive!'). Fab! *tears hair out in despair* With the 'round the world' scenario that they set up, they could have done so much better than this! They could have really moved outside this framework! *cries* OK, ok, I'm done.


This show stole Greg Beeman from Smallville. *wears black armbands* Thankfully, though, SV's still kicking ass and Beeman's got a fresh canvas to work with. I see why he moved to this show. The scale he's got to work with here is fantastic. The production values, the set design, the cinematography--it's all glorious, and the visual storytelling geek in me is totally delighted. There have been spine-tingling moments (like Hiro freezing time to save the little girl) where I can see the lessons learnt on Smallville have paid off. Heroes shares with Smallville the comic-book saturated-colours aesthetic, but it's a more mature world and a larger stage.

After the visual aesthetic, the plot construction is the next thing that hooked me in. I'm a sucker for plots about separate characters whose lives intersect in interesting ways. Throw in 'destiny' as a theme and I'm hook-line-and-sinkered. And when I realised at the end of Ep 1.02 that Hiro would have to go back in time to save NY! Wow! What a brilliant, brilliant set-up. And the plot twists keep on coming! *loves*

The writing isn't that great. It's not as clanky as SV or SPN at their worst, but it's not brilliant. Thankfully I've been well trained on SV! ;-) When the writing gets clanky, I enter the visual slipstream and still have heaps to think about. The SV-fan in me is loving the voyeurism theme so far--the video footage of Claire and Niki, the photos that Mohinder keeps taking, the comic book, the prophetic paintings. I'm getting the feeling that many characters are going to be portrayed as both viewer and viewee--it's interesting, for example, to compare Claire's self-created footage with Niki's. I'm watching to see where they go with all this 'frame within a frame' stuff.

On the individual character arcs so far, it's a mixed bag for me. I was very 'meh' about the flying brothers (Petrellis?) initially, but I'm warming up to the asshat politician one now. He amuses me greatly! I think this reaction is partly a kneejerk against the woobie younger brother whose emo trauma I really don't care about. I've taken to referring to him as 'Lana' because he reminds me so heavily of S1 Smallville Lana--he's got a dead parent, is ridiculously self-absorbed and now someone's fallen, improbably, in love with him. (Aside: Flying also seems like a lame superpower--what can you really DO with that?! It's fun, sure, but does it save the world?)

I was also indifferent to Claire until I started watching with supacat--she's helped me appreciate her. I do like the way she's struggling with her power and the fact that she's already saved someone. I like the graphicness and physicality of her 'power' too (though it grosses me out a lot). I really liked the attempted-rape scene as it was so convincing--I was squirming badly. Claire may now be my favourite character. Her father was a great twist and he creeps me out massively.

Niki's the character whose plot I am most fascinated by. Her shadow-self intrigues me, and I like the way she's been forced to confront the results of that shadow-self's actions (in burying the slaughtered bodies). I am definitely intrigued to find out more about her husband, her past and her child.

Second after her is the cop who can hear people's thoughts. That's a fascinating super-power and I love that we've already been shown the difficulties of living with that power. I really felt for him in the scene with his wife, and I will look forward to seeing what happens to him from here.

Hiro, I've warmed up to. He was a little too obviously cute and comedic for me in the first couple of eps. But I've been worn down by his cute little scrunched up face when he freezes time and by the comic book. The comic book and his insistence on following it really delighted me. And I like Ando as a sidekick. He's very amusing.

Mohinder is far and away my favourite for purely shallow reasons. ;-) I don't care that he spouts drivel, I don't care that he's clearly as thick as two planks... as soon as he's on screen I bliss out. He has a gorgeous, gorgeous voice and his curls and long lashes and big eyes are heaven! However his actual plot is hilarious in the extreme. I'm very annoyed that he's been given the Elf as a sidekick. She's sickeningly irritating and I only hope that she turns on him soonish so that I don't have to put up with her goodie-two-shoes-ness much longer.

I liked the fact that there WAS a prophetic artist, but I don't care tuppence for the actual guy, if that makes sense.

The concept of Sylar creeps me out a great deal, which is of course a good thing, because the suspense is killing me. Now to get my hands on 1.04... and some icons!

No doubt I will change my mind on all of these opinions in due course, as I rarely hold to my first impression of shows or characters. Who's everyone else liking? I've seen a lot of love for Hiro and Claire so far.

ETA: Spoilers for 1.04 in the comments.
 
 
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Miche Connor: MINEmiche_connor on October 19th, 2006 02:27 am (UTC)
I like the show a lot, too, but... between you and me? I'm all about the Hiro. I adore him so much, it's not funny. I just want to take him home and feed him and watch him laugh and grin.

*sigh*

Yeah it's a maternal thing. I need to go watch me sister's kids for a while so I can get rid of it. :)
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: KK cutie iconbop_radar on October 19th, 2006 03:27 am (UTC)
Hee! Yeah, he's adorable! He'd make a very cute pet. ;-p And eventually he worked on even un-maternal me!
carpenyxcarpenyx on October 19th, 2006 03:15 am (UTC)
Duuude! This show is creeping up my fave list, I really am enjoying it and totally hooked! :D
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Buffy Willow friends hugbop_radar on October 19th, 2006 03:28 am (UTC)
Coool! Yeah, it's creeping up mine too. I've held off on posting about it for a while... but finally I broke!
Vera: justpeachymama_StarTrekHirol_vera01 on October 19th, 2006 04:23 am (UTC)
Hiro, hands down for me. His pure joy and numerous Star Trek references killed me completely and as a fellow clockpuncher I can't tell you how many times I would have killed to control time (G). His angst doesn't come when he discovers his power, his angst comes from trying to follow the path of the hero he wants to be. I hope that makes sense (G). Peter, I have high hopes for from the spoilers I've read. I have to confess, the stereotyping of the characters isn't something I considered since seeing such a mix-bag of a cast a la Lost was a such a pleasant surprise, that I'm willing to go with it. The characters flaws though far outweigh the downside of their stereotyping and Simone, despite her dating down is going to have her own set in order to fit in with our superhero angsting and problems. Our super-hero cop? Well he sort of did unsure really well. I mean I believed that he couldn't quite make detective (was it?) easily enough though I suspect his confidence might increase once he gets a handle on his powers. The cop-with-the-marital-problems is a stereotype (after a fahsion) that I can do without. But I imagine a healthy relationship wouldn't make for better viewing. Niki, I'd agree is interesting with her shadow-self, but I can also see the actual Niki fast becoming tired and completely wimpy if they leave the kick-ass moments to her mirror-image. But that remains to be seen. For Claire...I will hold off until posting because I just realised you haven't seen ep 1.04. (g)
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: spoilerphobic!bop_radar on October 19th, 2006 05:56 am (UTC)
His angst doesn't come when he discovers his power, his angst comes from trying to follow the path of the hero he wants to be. I hope that makes sense
Oh, yes, that does make sense--I like that as a way 'in' to his character.

I can also see the actual Niki fast becoming tired and completely wimpy if they leave the kick-ass moments to her mirror-image. But that remains to be seen.
Yeah... I've got hopes for her, but they could be crushed. I don't read spoilers so all of this is based only on what I've seen already. With Niki, what I find most fascinating at the moment is the way that she's forced to live with the consequences of her shadow self. She's literally a fractured self, and they could choose to make that very interesting indeed, if the boundaries between the two selves started to blur.

Thanks for holding off on the Claire! I'll be watching 1.04 asap. ;-)
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HIKIKOMORI HIME: saw porno like thisverbminx on October 19th, 2006 04:35 am (UTC)
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I will drop an Ep 4 spoiler here in an oblique way only by saying that Peter (emo boy) doesn't have as boring a power as you think. He may actually have the best power of the bunch, if things work out a certain way. I like him because I like the actor from back when he played a really cool punk kid on Gilmore Girls.

You are right about the racial issues. I would say, though, that I'm not going to completely hate on the two blondes, because both of them came in as blondes and happened to land the roles. It's not necessarily true that they were LOOKING for two blondes (and it might have been better if Niki were a brunette). Both the actresses are good in their parts.

I think it's also worth noting that Hiro is the guy who is supposedly written to be the audience stand-in character; he's supposed to be an Everyman. That could have been a white quasi-redneck from Georgia instead of a funny kid from Tokyo - I think they meant well by making him Asian (also, they get to use the name Hiro, an idea someone must have gotten from Snow Crash's lead character, Hiro Protagonist). It just depends which side of the racial issue you look at. It's that he's been used as dopey comic relief that is troubling.

I think the weakest character is probably the artist.
(Also, he, the cop, the FBI agent, and any number of other characters need not have been white either.)
The actor who plays Mohinder is indeed exceedingly hot.
Niki has no established powers yet - she might just have a psychotic disorder. The tattoo on her back is the only thing keeping me convinced.

I will also not be surprised when/if Elf Girl (who was pretty good in the movie Brick, if you get a chance to see it) turns on Mohinder. Her sudden appearance seems waaaaay too convenient to me.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Heroes Sureshbop_radar on October 19th, 2006 06:08 am (UTC)
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I like him because I like the actor from back when he played a really cool punk kid on Gilmore Girls.
Ah! Ok. That might help explain why so many people seem so in to him so soon. The actor doesn't seem bad, but I've found his plot the most boring so far--the actor's unknown to me.

I'm not going to completely hate on the two blondes, because both of them came in as blondes and happened to land the roles. It's not necessarily true that they were LOOKING for two blondes
Oh, I'm not going to hate on them--in part that's why I separated the rant out. It annoys me at one level, but at another I'm already completely engaged with those characters and I definitely agree that the actresses do very well in their roles. And it's not the blondeness that bothers me the most (though it's a little reassuring to hear that wasn't intentional)--it's the body image: their figures perpetrate an unrealistic aesthetic, as does the Elf's. ;-)

It's that he's been used as dopey comic relief that is troubling.
Yeah, totally. And you're right that they 'meant well', but it's just a little sad that despite them going for the 'whole world' 'multi-racial' approach, they fell into these racial traps. And to be honest, I don't know how well Hiro works as an Everyman so far for me; I find him too comedic, I don't relate to his desire to be a hero. Claire works far better for me as an accessible character.

I think the weakest character is probably the artist.
Yup, agreed.

Niki has no established powers yet - she might just have a psychotic disorder. The tattoo on her back is the only thing keeping me convinced.
Yes, that's interesting. I'm assuming she has powers simply because her plot has to tie in somehow. It'd be interesting if it was a fakeout about her.

Her sudden appearance seems waaaaay too convenient to me.
*giggle* Yes, exactly! Way too contrived, and working so effectively on Mohiinder with the whole 'I was your dad's best pal' thing. Suspicious!
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HIKIKOMORI HIMEverbminx on October 19th, 2006 04:39 am (UTC)
PS Niki's biracial son is clearly the other thing, aside from Mohinder's hottness, that's supposed to make us feel better about ourselves with the stereotyping.

I did say that the artist need not have been white, but I think if he had been any other race there would have been objections to him being a nonwhite heroin addict.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Heroes Clairebop_radar on October 19th, 2006 06:09 am (UTC)
*nods* I agree on both counts.
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Vera: justpeachymama_StarTrekHirol_vera01 on October 19th, 2006 04:46 am (UTC)
I will drop an Ep 4 spoiler here in an oblique way only by saying that Peter (emo boy) doesn't have as boring a power as you think. He may actually have the best power of the bunch, if things work out a certain way. I like him because I like the actor from back when he played a really cool punk kid on Gilmore Girls.

*g* Okay, now if you get into trouble for this post, I won't feel too bad for my post and attempts not to spoil too much hehehe. Also Bop, - Masi Oka (Hiro) was actually a computer geek (I say this because I forget his the actual title of his position) at George Lucas' Industrial light studios. So, he really was a clockpuncher before he landed the part of Hiro. The NBC site has him as still working for the studios in fact. I was reading an article about him in the paper that said he provides his own translations for Hiro complete with certain unique additions that people who are fluent in the language will understand. That's why I adore him so much as Verbminx pointed out, he really is everyman and I can't help but smile when he comes onscreen. BTW, Elfgirl is Sylar? or in cahoots with him?

Vera: justpeachymama_StarTrekHirol_vera01 on October 19th, 2006 05:22 am (UTC)
I wanted to clarify though, that as much as I am taken with Hiro, I don't view him as comic relief. To me, he's simply engaging in regards to the paths he's chosen for himself in ep 1.04 when compared to the angst and the muddled paths of the others as they try to figure out what's happening to them, as well as SV and SPN to an extent in season 1, not so much in season 2. And considering the end of ep 1.04, his path to *that* end that we are shown intrigues me even more.
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random_seriousrandom_serious on October 19th, 2006 08:36 am (UTC)
You touch on issues I have been moaning about. The handling of race and gender is a little iffy, and (I have mainly focused on gender in my rants) I must say that you do a good job laying out the race issues in Heroes.

However, I must say that not only are the women skinny and usually blonde but they are also portrayed as meat (Niki strips and seduces and bares skin, also faces threats of sexual and/ or physical violence; Claire wears her uniorm a lot); or as ineffectual (Gallery owner dates losers, Claire gets hurt a lot -even if she heals-, neighbour girl just hangs -I call her Lana- and meddles, Clea DuVall's FBI agent had to be saved by Matt -he just showed and was as efficient as someone with years of experience-, Niki makes mistakes that lead to her being under threat of violence etc. etc.); or as shrews who don't have any situational intellligence and who are put in unfair positions by writers (Matt's wife, FBI agent, Claire's mom, Niki's MiL etc.); or as implementation problems (Niki's MiL, FBI agent, Claire mom etc.) All and all, the female characters are treated very differently than the male characters: the females have dealt with "domestic" troubles (Claire -gift, tape, rape, school-, Niki -debt, son, job, school-, FBI agent -noboby believes in me-, Niki's MiL -son, Niki-, Claire's mom -dogs, self absorbtion-, gallery owner -relationship troubles, dying father-) whereas males deal with becoming a hero. Also, the men are not paraded as meat. I don't know that much about Loeb or Beeman, but with SV's trckrecord and now Heroes I have to wonder if they don't contribute to things. (If I am wrong, please tell me, I am just wondering, not looking to hurt feelings, but to learn.)

And poor Mohinder and Hiro. Mohinder is as you said, written thick, and with clunky dialogue; and Hiro is a comic relief (although 1.04 changes that somewhat). And poor gallery owner dates emo boy (who annoys me something bad right now. He's a nurse, and it is remarked a lot and constantly, how he can't possibly be happy in such a plebejian profession, and then he first professes that he wants to do this, bu when he can fly, he quits his job to be a hero. Ummm, what? Get you ass in gear Peter.)

All and all I agree with this post, and I share your enthusiasm for the show, it has great potential.)
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Clark basketballbop_radar on October 19th, 2006 09:58 pm (UTC)
Yup, I agree with you on the 'meat' aspect, and the ineffectual/shrews. And yes, the women have been given somewhat domesticated plots so far. I'm very sympathetic to your concerns, but I will quibble with a couple of things, in part because I'm still working out to what degree they're true or not true on the show myself.

whereas males deal with becoming a hero.
Claire, in her own way, is also dealing with that. She's the first person to save someone with her powers. She chose not to take the credit for that, she's struggling with what it all means. But her plot (minus the rape!) actually seems like the classic high-school kid discovers they've got superpowers plot. Her gender is secondary.

Also, the men are not paraded as meat. I don't know that much about Loeb or Beeman, but with SV's trckrecord and now Heroes I have to wonder if they don't contribute to things. (If I am wrong, please tell me, I am just wondering, not looking to hurt feelings, but to learn.)
I definitely disagree that Loeb and Beeman are a contributing factor there. Largely because men on SV ARE objectified--especially Clark. ;-) SV has gone a lot further than this show in treating men as sexual objects. There's the Lana issue, of course--but I think most people would agree that that's heavily an AlMiles influence/obsession. I don't know much about Loeb, but Beeman's interest and skills are with visual work--he's a creative visual storyteller and since so much of SV's visual landscape is suggestive/erotic/subversive, I find it hard to see him as a negative influence on gender portrayals in Heroes. What I would say, though, is that to some degree I suspect ALL these male writers/directors/producers are interested in the traditional male comic-book stories--so that does show in what they choose to represent.

who annoys me something bad right now. He's a nurse, and it is remarked a lot and constantly, how he can't possibly be happy in such a plebeian profession, and then he first professes that he wants to do this, bu when he can fly, he quits his job to be a hero. Ummm, what? Get you ass in gear Peter
HA! Oh, yes, completely! He's so flailing and hopeless, yet I get the sense that he's somehow miraculously going to have everything work out for him anyway. LANA. (As an aside, I also had major issues with them dissing on nursing as a profession and on their CRAZYASS misrepresentation of mental illness. Um, periods of elation/delusions followed by bouts of depression is bipolar, dudes, not major depression!)
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HIKIKOMORI HIME: saw porno like thisverbminx on October 20th, 2006 03:14 am (UTC)
Niki's "school" issue is a social class issue. It's beyond gender. I have the feeling that Niki and her son (who may be the smartest person on the show bar Mohinder) are going to be the "social class" lens even so far as the Petrellis also are, on the opposite end. (It seems like everyone else is some level of middle-class.) But there's nothing to be criticized about the way upper-class issues are treated: it's the working class issues that they stand a good chance of screwing up.

I would largely say that Claire is also dealing with becoming a hero, but from the meat perspective. That is, none of the men has been threatened with rape so far, though Hiro has been beaten up. Claire is a Clark Kent, only female, and thus sexual threats will unfortunately be a part of the issue. (Apparently she will also have to be saved from Bad Daddy. Because she's, you know, completely unequipped to save herself in any way... are you feeling my sarcasm there? ;)
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Nora Norwichnorwich36 on October 19th, 2006 02:42 pm (UTC)
After that conversation we had about body issues in Heroes, I watched 1.04 with that in mind, and I have to be honest: I don't find the women on the show more preternaturally thin than any of the other current shows I'm watching. So I think that's a generally Hollywood thing more than a Heroes-specific thing. But I do agree with both you and random_serious that it would be much better if they had a broader range of female types, not just in body image but in the roles they got to play.

In some ways I agree with you on the issues concerning race, but I'm wondering if they've actually set those up to deliberately challenge some of them (especially for Hiro)--let me know what you think when you see 1.04, which I think in some ways underlines precisely the things you've said, and in some ways suggests a trajectory past them.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Heroes Sureshbop_radar on October 19th, 2006 10:02 pm (UTC)
I don't find the women on the show more preternaturally thin than any of the other current shows I'm watching.
Well, BSG's not great--but at least Starbuck's athletic and muscled, rather than anorexic. And Doctor Who had Rose, who doesn't quite fit the current beauty ideal. SV, I'm not even counting, because all the same rants hold true there. But, yes, this makes me very sad. :-( I'm sure it IS a Hollywood thing.

I'm wondering if they've actually set those up to deliberately challenge some of them (especially for Hiro)--let me know what you think when you see 1.04, which I think in some ways underlines precisely the things you've said, and in some ways suggests a trajectory past them.
I've seen it! Hit me!
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K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Heroes Sureshbop_radar on October 19th, 2006 10:06 pm (UTC)
it took me a while to figure out who you were talking about; I don't really think Mohinder is "Eurasian" - he IS Asian
He is? My bad. Though my complaint holds--a godlike Asian guy to make us feel better about ourselves.

And Isaac is Latino, so there's either another stereotype - since he's a drug addict - or, more positively, another non-white character.)
He is? (Boy, have I missed things!) Well, again, I still find that concerning. Though once again, I can see they were TRYing.

And I'm with you in loving the politico brother SO much more than his whiny younger bro :P
Oh, yes! I just watched 1.04 and he was so HOT in it! *fans self* While whiny bro was boring as per usual... I'm on board with the politico!

I loved Hiro only because he's the one person who's actually JOYFUL about his power.
So true!! And that really is refreshing, isn't it? I think the show does really need that balance. I'm really getting into Hiro now. *g*
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Big Mama G: visinebigmamag on October 19th, 2006 03:21 pm (UTC)
Absolutely love this show, so I'm glad someone else does too. Personally my favorite is the blonde woman #2's son. I mean, we're told that he's exceptional, but he really is amazingly gifted for a kid his age. The last episode when he said that what his mom did in the garage was different than what she was about to do was wise, not just smart. He saw the ethical difference and even though I'm a woman who never wants a husband or kids, I would totally raise this kid. We could talk philosophy and eat fruit loops at the same time!
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lois backbop_radar on October 19th, 2006 10:08 pm (UTC)
The last episode when he said that what his mom did in the garage was different than what she was about to do was wise, not just smart. He saw the ethical difference and even though I'm a woman who never wants a husband or kids, I would totally raise this kid. We could talk philosophy and eat fruit loops at the same time!
He IS fascinating! I wonder if he'll turn out to be the 'hero' from that plot after all? That scene was incredible. And yes, he's very appealing, even to a non-maternal person like me! You can imagine travelling with that kid, hanging out and chatting, etc.
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K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Heroes Sureshbop_radar on October 19th, 2006 10:17 pm (UTC)
Peter on the other hand is all about "his time to be somebody" and if that means doing bad or evil things? I think he'd do it.
Peter as parasite... hmm. That's not really very appealing to me personally. But I know lots of people like him. I am however, very interested in this interpretration you give of Peter. Great reading! I wonder where they'll go with that...

Isaac, the painter, is my favorite. It has a lot to do with how he can possibly keep surviving in this manner. He wants to help people. He really does, but he needs the drugs to do it.
Oh, interesting! I haven't heard from someone that likes him best yet. I really like the concept of him, but maybe we haven't had enough of his internal journey for me to get into yet--I liked that we actually got to enter his vision in 1.04.

It makes me curious as to whether the show is going to work in that "every high needs to be better and bigger" than the last. Especially with the rumors going around that he's going to try to start painting the future without the drugs. His power is the only one (other than Niki's) which can or will destroy him. Either mentally or physically. I'm interested in that.
Yes, that is very interesting--I hadn't heard those rumours, but an excellent call on his power destroying him potentially.

I can't stand Simone. I just don't like her. But I get what you're saying about her dating down.
I don't really like her either... mostly because I can't really get 'into' her character because she seems so unreal/unlikely. And one problem I had was that we never got to see her actually be kind/loving to Isaac. Not really.

I like Nathan because where everyone else seems to think he's on his way to Evilness, I get the sense that there aren't very many interesting things he could do as an evil flyer. I also get the sense that that isn't in his character. Yes, he's willing to do an incredible amount of shitty things to get what he wants, but that isn't evil.
*nods* I get that sense too. And I'm really really fascinated by him.

Mohinder isn't Eurasian. He's Indian. Well he's from Chicago, but his parents are from India.
Yup, I've been corrected on that! And my apologies on the assumption I made there. But my point still holds whether he's Eurasian or Asian--they've cast someone with ungodly good looks to make us feel better about the race stuff because we're attracted to him. His character is not that attractive. If he was an unattractive Asian guy, I know I for one (*owns her shallowness*) would be driven nuts by him!

And as I say, I can see these issues at one level, but still totally enjoy the show. Hypocritically, Mohinder is my fav character so far (also, partially because I'm a sucker for an academic, even when it's only pseudo). But Nathan's fast creeping up on me!
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K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Heroes Clairebop_radar on June 28th, 2007 01:19 am (UTC)
Alas, yes. :-( Claire is the strongest and most interesting, imho.