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07 December 2006 @ 08:30 pm
Heroes 1.11 Fallout  

OMG, has Claire lost Zach?! Noooooo!!! That was the most dramatic and profound part of the episode for me, because I find that Zach had really grown on me, and I loved their little friendship. I was totally in denial about Mr Bennett getting to Zach... *sniffles*

Being a little more objective now, I love that the confrontation between Claire and her father has finally come, and that at first when she tells him he's still who he was in her eyes (protective, loving father), but also who the viewer's seen (creepy, controlling, ambiguous figure). I have absolutely no doubt that he believes he's doing the right thing for Claire. He takes paternal concern to an extreme: hell he's even willing to wipe his own wife's brain repeatedly for her! *shudders* (And that explains so much!) I love, love, love that the Haitian is going to help Claire deceive her father. (Though LaT must be pissed that he finally talked!) I thought that was a fascinating evolution of his character--he's so enigmatic, I want to learn more about him and what led to this decision.

I was surprised by how much I liked the Claire/Peter scene. I've been surprised by the growth of the Peter/Claire ship and it doesn't interest me at all. But the canon events--their discussion in the prison cell--was well acted and quite moving, I felt. Peter's a unique figure for Claire, and I liked her 'you're totally my hero!'. It was sweet.

I was NOT surprised by how much I liked the Nathan/Peter scenes. *beams* YAY Nathan/Peter scenes! Yay! I loved that the projected Nathan appeared so much more concerned than actual Nathan when he finally rocked up. Hee! But I also loved Nathan's genuine concern for Peter when he collapsed. He may hide it, but he loves his brother and he's worried about him and the destructive influence of his powers. Also, the line 'they're like us' 'What? dysfunctional?' was MADE OF AWESOME. Hee! *loves the dysfunctional brothers*

My other favourite line was Hiro's earnest 'how do you stop an exploding man?' Heeee!! Oh, and I'm pleased that Isaac's hooked up with Hiro and Ando. Though I couldn't bring myself to care about Eden. She even has annoying handwriting. Did she die?! *twirls* Apologies to those who like her, but she's one of those rare people that just really really grate on me... *sigh* She's probably not really dead...

Regarding Nikki and DL... well I'm pretty much sold on DL and if I wasn't so sympathetic to him and the fact that she's his wife and he loves her, I'd be screaming 'get away from them!' at the screen. So I was pretty delighted she turned herself in. She finally reached the conclusion that she was dangerous and took responsibility for her actions--even if there is a 'Jessica' that controls her, she was the conduit that allowed those acts to occur. So I'm glad about this development, but I'm still not that excited by Nikki's story, and I empathise far more with DL and Micah than Nikki herself.

I loved Peter's dream sequence at the end. I always love a good dream sequence! And it was cool to see everyone moving around that surreal urban landscape, almost like chess pieces, moving forward, getting blocked by other players, in checkmate... I'm sure I'll have more to say about it on rewatching, and I gather the show's on hiatus now, so plenty of time for that. *g*

Wow, am I light on meta for this ep... sorry guys, BSG ate my brain this week! But I'll look forward to reading other people's thoughts.
 
 
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K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Heroes Clairebop_radar on December 7th, 2006 10:32 am (UTC)
I usually don't catch up on the comics until the next day, and I've only just finished watching the ep. (I always post straight away.0

Oh yay! Sorrry! No, but it's cooler she's dead, right? And I like the idea of Mr Bennet freaking. I will enjoy checking it out tomorrow.
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K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Nathanbop_radar on December 7th, 2006 10:37 am (UTC)
Oh, noooo!!! I would flail SO MUCH if Nathan died! Nooooo!! *hugs you in sympathy* Yup, that sucks with ensemble casts. There is always someone who grates... but personally I have a habit of flipflopping on characters and growing to like the ones I dislike. But I'll never have the chance with Eden! :-( Except maybe she gets resurrected or something?
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K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Nathanbop_radar on December 7th, 2006 11:09 am (UTC)
Oh, I finally *get* Claire and Peter! Yay! I don't think they're the ship for me, but I could see the connection there, and yes, yay!

Lex was pretty much the reason I caught up on five seasons in two months, but now (particularly with more of the ensemble thing going)? Not so much with the Lex love, and where Clark was grating and I just flat out hated Lois to begin with? Starting to really love them.
Ha! I'm going through exactly the same transition. It was Lex, Lex, Lex for so many seasons for me, and then now I find myself appreciating other cast members.

I think I'm probably split pretty evenly between liking, hating and ambivalence vis a vis Heroes characters. Though I'm turning around on Peter pretty fast.

I think you only really need to like one character a LOT to get into a show. And personally I'm also capable of enjoying a show's overall plotting and aesthetic (or writing, but not in this case) and kind of going along for the ride until character loyalty develops over time.
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K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lois/Oliverbop_radar on December 7th, 2006 09:38 pm (UTC)
I want Onyx-evil!Lex, that's far more interesting than woobie!Lex or secrets-and-ambiguity!Lex to me, but he's not quite there yet.
*nods* Me too. I haven't seen the preview, but I'll definitely hope for that, because he seems to have been in a holding pattern for the first half of this season.

seeing as they hadn't even met yet, but now?
Yup, I was totally o.O about them when the ship grew before they MET. But I presume people were riding off spoilers or something. They were charming. Just not my thing.

I can logic my way out of the grating by referring back to the six-month flashback and the adorable brother love and that kind of thing, because otherwise Nathan would probably be a breaking point for me
Ahh... so his asshatness is the grating part? But it's all a mask! He luuuuuuvs Peter! ;-)

the Clois and Oliver couldn't have saved them then, and that really is saying something for me right now
Hee! Yes, because Clois and Oliver are both made of awesome.
Beckysadface on December 7th, 2006 10:24 am (UTC)
Dear Becky,

Please stop click on notifications THAT CLEARLY DISPLAY THE SUBJECT.

Thanks,

Becky.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lois searchingbop_radar on December 7th, 2006 10:34 am (UTC)
o.O

Becky?! *confused*

Also, hello! *waves*
Beckysadface on December 7th, 2006 10:47 am (UTC)
I was talking to myself.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Hirobop_radar on December 7th, 2006 10:52 am (UTC)
You are cute! *snuggles you*
Beck: Heroes by Meretbeck_liz on December 7th, 2006 01:14 pm (UTC)
*snicker* Your idea of "brief thoughts" is my idea of a long post, as far as my own writing goes, anyway. :-)

OMG, has Claire lost Zach?! Noooooo!!!

I know, it's so terrible! Poor Claire! Poor Zack! Mean Mr. Bennett! I hope they can get back together anyway.

I have absolutely no doubt that he believes he's doing the right thing for Claire.

He is so much an ends justify the means kind of guy, and his means are pretty crappy sometimes. I imagine once Matt (among others) figures out who Claire's dad is, he won't be happy.

Oh, and I'm pleased that Isaac's hooked up with Hiro and Ando.

I know, isn't it wonderful? I just loved them together.

I, too, am sold on DL and Micah, and not so much on Nikki. Both of her personalities are really annoying to me right now. I think the best thing she ever did was to turn herself in. Sadly, that storyline has been the most boring one for me.

I am hoping that Peter's dream was more symbolic than actual, because it rather seemed a bit too... fuzzy to be real, if that makes sense.


K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Hirobop_radar on December 7th, 2006 09:41 pm (UTC)
I, too, am sold on DL and Micah, and not so much on Nikki. Both of her personalities are really annoying to me right now. I think the best thing she ever did was to turn herself in. Sadly, that storyline has been the most boring one for me.
Yup, it's yawn-enducing. And I agree that both Nikki and Jessica are annoying. So much so for me that even turning herself in was pretty unexciting. I was more 'about bloody time' than anything else about it. But I rallied myself into seeing it as constructive. But my heart goes out to DL. He's clearly not the brightest guy in the world but he seems to have a heart of gold, and he's dealing with his own power relatively well considering he has noone other than his son to confide in. Also, I like the fact that he listens to his son.

I am hoping that Peter's dream was more symbolic than actual, because it rather seemed a bit too... fuzzy to be real, if that makes sense.
I definitely felt it was symbolic. I'd much prefer it that way. I'm off to find interesting speculation about it now...
serenography: Heroes-Paireserenography on December 7th, 2006 01:34 pm (UTC)
This is why I adores ya, Bop. I sit here and nod my head "yes!" at so many of your comments. It's nice that you write my thoughts down for me... Saves me time. ;)

I yelled a "nooooooo!" when I realized Zach had been mind-wiped too. :( I loved the friendship that he and Claire had, and I was sekritly hoping that maybe he was going to be a surprise "hero" too.

Regardless of his good intentions, Mr. Bennett is a very dangerous and I'd even say sorta evil man. Mind-wiping people - particularly your WIFE AND SON - is the work of a man who will stop at nothing. And I'm sorry, but his devotion to Claire? Bordering notexactlynormal daddy-love.

God help me, I'm adoring Peter and Claire. Why do I feel like I'm adding another Clana to my fleet of doomed (and universally mocked) ships? *bitesnails* Aaand, eerily similar to my lust for Clex, I adore any and all Nathan/Peter interactions. WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME? LOL... I guess, I'm just a formulaic fangirl. I'll have one from the canon pile, and one from the fanon pile. thankyouverymuch.

I'm SO GLAD that you mentioned the "exploding man" line. I was cracking up when he said that!

I didn't care for Eden initially, but I've liked her in these last few episodes. I don't mind that they offed her, because they really did well by her - she died a hero - sacrificing herself before Sylar could take her ability.

DL is kinda boring me..nice enough guy, but boring. Jessica, on the other hand, is the shit. :) I love the complete homicidal unpredictable nature of her - she's anything but boring. Niki.. eh.

Beautiful analogy of the chess pieces in that final scene. Did you notice Claire mouthing "I'm sorry.." to Peter? She SO wanted to help him, it seemed. And Nathan approaching him regardless of the danger.. omg.. I can't wait to see how this all plays out.

Forgot to mention that I love love Matt. He's the most real and down to earth guy on the show and I want to cuddle him, innocently even.



K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Hirobop_radar on December 7th, 2006 09:50 pm (UTC)
I was sekritly hoping that maybe he was going to be a surprise "hero" too.
Awww, that would have been cool! Though I also liked him as a really solid non-powers person. There need to be more of them to show that you don't have to have powers to be awesome! Oh, Zach! *sniffs*

Mind-wiping people - particularly your WIFE AND SON - is the work of a man who will stop at nothing. And I'm sorry, but his devotion to Claire? Bordering notexactlynormal daddy-love
His mind-wiping of wife and son is fully creepy, and the implication that he puts Claire above both of them is disturbing and indicative of unnatural preoccupation, yes. Eeeek!

Why do I feel like I'm adding another Clana to my fleet of doomed (and universally mocked) ships? *bitesnails*
Heee! Well judging by the fic listings in ninth_wonders, it's a fairly popular ship so far. Though personally I see the Clana-ness, there. The very fact that it's not sparking with me but I see it as sweet suggests that. Don't worry! We all fall for the same archetypes time and time again... 'tis the way of the world. And at least Claire is very well liked, unlike (sorry) Lana.

Aaand, eerily similar to my lust for Clex, I adore any and all Nathan/Peter interactions.
Heee! I adore the Petrellis. I'm verging on shipping them. It'll take one good fic and I'll be done for. *on a precipice*

I'll have one from the canon pile, and one from the fanon pile. thankyouverymuch.
Heeee! You are so WISE! ;-) I should do that. Oh, hang on. I DO do that. Clois and Clex. Kara/Lee and Lee/Helo... *ponders* Hee! It's just different ships, but I do that too. Hedging ones bets is GREAT!

I'm SO GLAD that you mentioned the "exploding man" line. I was cracking up when he said that!
I *lol*ed at it! His delivery was perfect! It cracked me up on second viewing too. One of the best Hiro moments ever for me.

I wish I could get into Jessica a bit more... Ditto Matt. They both seem like I should like them, and I don't hate them but I'm a bit 'meh' so far. Ah well, ensemble casts, what can you do?

Did you notice Claire mouthing "I'm sorry.." to Peter? She SO wanted to help him, it seemed. And Nathan approaching him regardless of the danger.. omg.. I can't wait to see how this all plays out.
Riiight! I loved the determined look in Nathan's eye as well! Below, LaT points out that Nathan's the only one that's actually moving towards Peter. Awww! It was a great cliffhanger. Can't wait to see it pan out.
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K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Hirobop_radar on December 7th, 2006 09:54 pm (UTC)
Re: part I
I had *no idea* that the reveal of "Hey, The Haitian's Got His Own Mind About Things!" was going to be *that AWESOME*.
Me neither! And I'm so glad you were cool with it because I was very gleeful about it, and I'm totally hooked on him now. He still retains that mysterious power because there's so much we don't know about him, and because he only chooses to speak/act independently under extreme circumstances. He's so thrilling!

both Zach *and* Lyle (Claire's brother) had *proven their trustworthiness*
I know! It's not fair! They were both the loveliest boys and loyal friends to Claire. (Though I was more confident of Zach than Lyle.) But wow, that really worked to show the darkness of Mr Bennet's actions. I also loved the creepiness of him telling Claire he'd done 'things I'm not proud of'.

Nathan went towards him. Nathan was reaching for him as the dream ended. I love that like burning!
Oh, yes! I loved the determination on Nathan's face as well. As if nothing on Earth could stop him from moving towards his brother. Oh, curses, I'm so suckered by them!

I also loved that it was Hiro and Ando encouraging him and basically cheering him on that helped him make that final step.
Oh, I was SO happy it was them. They're the best cheersquad ever! Unlike Eden. I would have been very grr if Eden had prompted his breakthrough. I'll grudgingly let her give him the phone but that's IT. ;-)
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K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Hirobop_radar on December 8th, 2006 01:29 am (UTC)
Re: part I
Oh, yes, the tie-straightening was adorable! I'm fangirling Masi Oka badly, especially after I read the recent interview with him where he spoke about the difficulty of not getting trappen in the comic-Asian stereotype. He's doing a good job of making his character far more than that, and since this addresses one of my biggest fears about the show, I *love* that he's smart enough to head it off.

I liked the suggestion of respect *for Isaac* that the two of them feel: that was something he deserved to know and they told him so he could make his own choices about whether he wanted to continue being involved even in the face of that information.
Yes, I love that! Isaac (finally!) wasn't either coddled/romanticised/woobied or punished/controlled. And it seems like being treated as someone who deserved respect freed him to paint without drugs. I felt for him when he told Hiro and Ando about his habit, since there was an undercurrent there that he feared losing their respect, but they retain faith in him, because they have that gorgeous belief in destiny. It's marvelous!

the heroes intersecting/interacting with each other is the emotional backbone of the story
*nods* Those are always the shining moments, as they should be. And it makes me crave more--it's definitely a large part of what's keeping me hooked in. There's a real sense that the heroes have the capacity to synchronise beautifully if they can only come together.
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K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Nikkibop_radar on December 7th, 2006 10:05 pm (UTC)
Re: part II
DL understands this in the way adults should
Absolutely! Thank you for your perfect description of all the ways Niki/Jessica is a poor parent. And I guess I have really low tolerance for parenting on that scale of badness! I recognise that DL is not the most exciting guy in the world, but I'm starting to fangirl him badly just in contrast to Niki. God, I hated her so much when she pushed Micah into those rocks. And of course DL ran to him straight away. And when she apologised to Micah I was screaming 'apologise to your husband too!!' Of course, she did, and so I had to shut up.
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K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Nikkibop_radar on December 8th, 2006 01:37 am (UTC)
Re: part II
*nods* I agree that he might find purpose in Team Save the World. I think being offered something bigger than himself and his family dynamic would do him the world of good--and he could be a true hero for his son: he'd love that, because he loves Micah so much. I think Micah could also help, and they'd be a fabulous team.
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Nora Norwichnorwich36 on December 7th, 2006 03:31 pm (UTC)
Mr. Bennett taking Zach away from Claire hurt almost as much as if he had killed him. Ouch. But like you, I love how they're writing Mr. Bennett as simultaneously actually trying (from his perspective) to be a good dad AND as simultaneously creepy as hell. That's such awesome characterization!!

And the fact that he's been mindwiping Mrs. Bennett repeatedly explains SO MUCH. Poor woman.

I knew you would be celebrating Eden's death! I'm actually a little sad, though--in the last three episodes she became much more interesting to me. I don't follow the webcomic because of slow-loading-on-dialup issues, but I knew she was gone for good because of contractual things with the actress. I'm glad she at least got to die nobly, though. And since someone had to die, better her than pretty much any other character.

I loved all the Nathan/Peter scenes. I feel like I'm being tugged over into the dark side of Petrellicest. I can't help it--the SHOW is going there, not me. (Oh sure, they're covering up with the Peter/Claire thing, but weirdly enough I absolutely oppose that right now because of the age difference, which just goes to show that gender makes a huge difference to me, since the age difference is less than or about the same as the Clex, but Peter/Claire wigs me out).

Have you seen the speculation, at LaT's journal and some other places, that Nathan is going to pick up Peter and fly away with him to save NYC?
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Nathanbop_radar on December 7th, 2006 10:11 pm (UTC)
the fact that he's been mindwiping Mrs. Bennett repeatedly explains SO MUCH. Poor woman
I know! In retrospect it makes all her scenes so creepy. Especially since we saw signs that she had a good relationship with Claire, and we also saw Mr Bennett be so controlling with her.

I'm glad she at least got to die nobly, though. And since someone had to die, better her than pretty much any other character.
Yeah, noble deaths are good.

I feel like I'm being tugged over into the dark side of Petrellicest. I can't help it--the SHOW is going there, not me.
Heeee! Me too. It's like an unstoppable magnetic pull. I try to tell myself all that pawing is innocent, but... but... Nathan keeps saving Peter and being bitchy at him and oh, it's all so subtexty, damn it!

goes to show that gender makes a huge difference to me, since the age difference is less than or about the same as the Clex, but Peter/Claire wigs me out
Hee! That's so funny. I'm not wigged out by Peter/Claire for the age thing. I just find it too simple and Clana-esque to really get into it. It's sweet but not sparky for me. I really don't have much of an age taboo thing once kids are over 15. Claire's over 15, right? I have no idea why... I should have, but sometimes it makes for good tv/fanfic, and I'm just naughty!

Nathan is going to pick up Peter and fly away with him to save NYC?
Oh, please, please, please, please, please let that be the case! Flying exploding boys! PLEASE. O.O
Becky: Save the Worldcinderella81 on December 7th, 2006 05:46 pm (UTC)
I am sad for the loss of Zach too!!! And the Hatian has me even more intrigued now that he has actually spoken!

Hiro still owns me ... he is so genuine, so sweet!

And Peter's dream sequence just rocked hard!!!
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Hirobop_radar on December 7th, 2006 10:11 pm (UTC)
*nods* The Haitian is fascinating! Hiro's adorable, and I love dream sequences. Woot!
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K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Nathanbop_radar on December 7th, 2006 10:13 pm (UTC)
I only have room in my life for one het show.
And the best het show is... *drumroll* WE KNOW WHAT SHOW!

They are so awesome. They're my mom's favorite characters.
Your mom has cool taste! They've got one of the most interesting dynamics on the show for me because it's multilayered. Though I think second to them I liked Claire and Zach. So now I think I'll just fall even heavier for the Petrellis!
Parul: Heroes - Petrellinakhrewali on December 8th, 2006 08:51 am (UTC)
OMG, has Claire lost Zach?! Noooooo!!!
Man. That just really sucked! What about all that friendship bond? It can't just go poof!

Being a little more objective now, I love that the confrontation between Claire and her father has finally come,
Wow. I like Mr.Bennet but he sure knows how to go to the extremest of extremes. Nevertheless it is interesting to see all that character development. Especially good to see the Haitian as a person rather than a looming presence.

I can't belive I'm about to say this but I can actually see where the Pair-ers are coming from. Darn it!

I was NOT surprised by how much I liked the Nathan/Peter scenes. *beams*
Nathan/Peter scenes FTW! I really think that the dream!Nathan was Nathan's reaction to hearing about Peter as the dreams Peter has aren't meant to be accurate but rather impressions. So while Nathan is his usual self, striding into the jail and whisking Peter out with barely a brotherly glance when he must have first heard of Peter and Texas he would have surely freaked!

Oh and indeed that was the best dream sequence ever.

K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Nathanbop_radar on December 9th, 2006 01:11 pm (UTC)
What about all that friendship bond? It can't just go poof!
I'm clinging to this thread of hope that they'll explore the fact that there's a residual feeling of connection between Zach and Claire... or that the Haitian can magic back Zach's memories, but I also have the feeling it doesn't work that way. :-(

I can actually see where the Pair-ers are coming from. Darn it!
*lol* OMG, is that what they're called?! *rotfl* Seriously, that's the lamest ship name ever!

dream!Nathan was Nathan's reaction to hearing about Peter as the dreams Peter has aren't meant to be accurate but rather impressions
*nods* I read your post on the meaning of those dreams with interest but was in rather a haze at the time so hadn't composed a reply yet (sleepy Friday-afternoon-itis struck!), but yes I agree.