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20 January 2007 @ 01:36 pm
Smallville 6.11 Justice  
Sorry about the late review, but this is one of those days when the world doesn't respect my commitment to fandom. Sigh. I'm guessing everyone's been tearing into the meta on this ep already, so I'll play catch-up when I get a chance. For my part, I thought this much-anticipated episode was a lot of fun, but it had a sad twist.

Trouble on your doorstep
Clark adopted a very possessive attitude regarding the mini-JL-ers investigating Luthorcorp. While I certainly understand where that behaviour comes from in Clark's psychology, when viewed objectively by outsiders, it doesn't come across well. Clark acts as if Lex and Luthorcorp are his 'turf'. In one sense they are: he's been investigating Lex's affairs for years, and he's quick to jump in and interfere in person when presented with a new endeavour. However, as we've seen, 33.1 has largely continued to develop without Clark's interference. There's a degree of wilful ignorance in Clark's make-up when it comes to Lex. He doesn't want to look too closely or he'll find the definitive evidence that he's lost the battle to keep Lex on the straight and narrow. It's also emotionally challenging and risky for him to head back into that arena, even though it's also ultra-familiar. So it's a bit of a paradox. On the one hand, Clark's watching Lex, on the other he's probably subconsciously quite happy that the Zoners have allowed him to concentrate on something else for a while.

Early on in the episode we hear Clark say that he's the 'only one' that can round up the Zoners and stop Lex from experimenting. But this episode proves him wrong. When Ollie and his troupe of merry men stumble into town to stop 33.1, Clark is startled: 'You know about 33.1?!' Um. Honey. Oliver should ask you the same question! You've been here all along. If you knew about it, why haven't you done something? Thankfully Oliver doesn't (quite) resort to these accusations, though he does question what could be more important than stopping Lex. I have no doubt that Ollie senses that the complex emotional history between Clark and Lex has something to do with Clark's reticence to step in, and his protectiveness about who has the 'right' to interfere with Lex's plans.

Not a team player
Clark is shown in this episode to not be a good team player. That's not necesarily a criticism (I'm not one either!), but it certainly is interesting. I'm sure those with a greater knowledge of Justice League canon than I have will have been dissecting this episode, but for my part, I thought it was interesting that within SV canon it develops under Oliver's impetus. And while the title may not be formal yet ('something with justice in it'), they're pretty damn close (JL International? What else could the 'L' stand for?). The code names were cute. I particularly liked Impulse for Bart--and there were a couple of good calls about he and Clark being alike in their non-team-player status.

Clark projects a hierarchy onto the mini-League: he assumes that Bart is working for Oliver, whereas Oliver's taking a more collaborative approach: although his leadership skills are very much in evidence, he also allows each member of the team freedom to do what they do best, their own 'glory'. Oliver thinks of overall strategies, whereas Clark takes the 'personal responsibility' approach--he charges in because HE 'can't let anything happen to Bart'. And within the episode, this is shown to be a poor idea. The episode really does support the idea that there is strength in teamwork, and that Clark's ultra-responsiblity-taking and personally authorative stance may be more successful when balanced with the talents and approaches of others.

Reunion
I greatly enjoyed Bart's return to Smallville. He was heaps of fun the first time around and I love that he's found his path in life and matured now. Seeing Clark zip around after him was awesome, as was the rescue. And Bart flirting with Chloe was really cute. Oh, and his nifty computer-hacking skills were awesome. Flash drive! Heee!

However, I didn't like the way Clark was scripted in their scenes. I thought he was too suspicious of Bart, firstly acting like Chloe's guarddog (she can tell Bart she's got a boyfriend herself!) and then grilling him about what he's doing in town. Clark assumes that Bart is up to no good. Why assume that? Sure, he was a troubled kid when they first met, but he did receive the 'super-kick in the butt'. ;-) But Clark's not big on believing in people's ability to change: once a thief, always a thief in his book, and behind the chummy smile's you get the feeling he's still suspicious of Bart. As soon as Clark is proved 'right' (without knowing all the facts), he starts throwing reproaches at Bart, gets angry and shows him that he doesn't trust him. Rather than assuming that there may be a good reason why he's stealing from Luthorcorp, he tries to bully an answer out of him and Bart, predictably, takes off.

Contrast this attitude with Ollie's and Clark doesn't come across so well. Ollie says he could see that Bart was a 'good kid'. Indiscretions don't define you in Ollie's book--he's more forgiving. He also believes in the capacity for change because he's changed himself. Instead of distrusting Bart, he trusted him--going so far as to offer him a job. I really hated Clark's pissy 'look where that got him!' line: it deflected the issue. Because the fact is that Clark's people skills aren't what they could be. His standards are so high--for himself and for others. The good side of this, which we see so often, is how much he expects of himself (and delivers, and his ability to carry the weight of the world on his shoulders. But this ep cast some light on the negative aspects of those standards too.

Don't get me wrong--I love Clark, and have adored seeing him mature this year. But I don't think this episode showed him in the best light.

For the reasons indicated above, the 'hero shot' fell a little flat for me. It was visually spectacular, but I didn't feel this really was Clark's hero moment. For starters, the JL-ers didn't need Clark's approval to blow the plant, but he totally acted like they did. I had really conflicted feelings about that scene--I'm glad that they played it as a genuine concern that everyone (Lex) was out of the building and safe, but I didn't like the overriding feeling that this was Clark giving them Daddy's pat on the back. Sure it was touching that Ollie obviously had been hoping for that approval, but it just seemed rather absurd to have Clark set up as the patriarch of the group when he isn't even part of it yet. This probably sounds a lot more gripe-y than it's intended to be. It was AWESOME FUN, but there were some problems inherent in the plot, I felt.

Army of superfreaks
OMG, I love, love, love that this is now textually Lex's 'plan'. An army of meteor freaks! Wheeee!! I've been hoping for this ever since we were first introduced to 33.1. It may have taken forever to come to fruition, but it's a brilliant culmination of Lex's journey. My only disappointment is that I don't think the writers are prepared to fully flesh out Lex's side of things at this point in time. I would love, for example, to see a plot exploration of the ways in which Lex both identifies with and distances himself from the meteor freaks he experiments on/trains in this facility. Because there IS self-identification to be done there--he's a meteor freak himself and he's spent time in Belle Reve. And don't tell me he's not attracted to at least some of his 'freaks': Myx, for starters, and that cute computer-nerd chick--didn't she end up there too? Oh, there's just so so much fodder there. Fanfic anyone?!!!

As if that wasn't enough, we get to see Lex capture yet another of the JL-to-be kids! This filled me with glee--because we know that this is all just foreplay until Lex can catch Clark! Oh, and we finally, FINALLY got to see Lex crack out a classic comic book superhero torture machine with the contraption designed to keep Bart running. Luthor inventiveness--wheee!! It was actually clever and looked great! It almost makes me forgive his security team for being so piss weak. Almost.

And Lionel protecting Clark... interesting. Clearly not even Lex can quite believe his father would lie to his own son to protect Clark. I hope Lex sees through this facade of Lionel's by season end.

Secretary to the Stars
So, Chloe becomes the JL's secretary? Seems like she's destined for that role. *g* And I giggled so hard that Clark's first offering to the mini-League was ... Chloe. Hee! Instead of 'reckon I can help you out', it's 'reckon my best pal can help you out...' Hee.

Chloe was an intersting one to throw into the mix, since at first I thought she'd come over as more of a team player than Clark--and indeed she fits well into the structure, feeding them information. However, she's not without her rebelliousness as well--she tries to get in a few jibes to Oliver, though he shuts her down. And she reveals that Clark's confided their secrets in her--a pretty huge revelation that wasn't made much of in this fast-packed episode. I liked the way Justin played Oliver's reaction. I actually think this would be a huge deal to Oliver--the fact that Clark confides in Chloe, a non-super-hero. I would have liked a little more fallout from that, but given that this was all crammed into one episode, I liked that at least Oliver didn't confide his own plan to her. That was a subtle way of showing that just because she had Clark's trust didn't necessarily mean she had Ollie's yet.

One thing I did really like was Chloe being understanding about Clark covering for Bart initially. Nice touch--the last thing Clark needed was another reproach for keeping secrets.

Random slash
So... er... what's with Victor and Aquadude? o.O I guess the writers took a look at their first script draft and thought 'yeah, good... but not enough slash!' Because, damn that 'checking you out' scene was slashy. Aquadude is not very bright. We all know this. But he seemed very happy to be ogled by Victor (who seemed happy with the eyecandy), and when I rewatched the episode, I couldn't help but laugh at the fact that those two make their grand entrance to the line 'Not everyone flies solo...' HA! They're so doing it. *beams*

As if that weren't enough, apparently Ollie gave Victor 'a reason to go on living'. *g* Oh, please, please, someone write the fic about Ollie taking Victor in and giving him 'a warm meal'! And I thought the continuity with the whaler was really cute with AC--Lois's social faux pas is even funnier in retrospect. And Ollie has a secret girlfriend in Lois? Hmm. Way to make the Justice League slashy!

Farewell
I'm sure there are some people who're happy to see Oliver leave Smallville--I'm not one of them. His presence allowed the show to develop plot lines and explore ideas that would have been harder without the ensemble cast. His 'grey' morality stood in interesting contrast to Clark's black and white morality and Lex's descent into darkness. And he connected Clark and the show to the wider, more mature world of Metropolis and beyond.

For Clark he proved a friend, a confidant and an ally--someone who understood the burden of living a double life. He connected with both Clark and Lois as they were growing into their adult roles. For Lois, he represented her first real love (Aquadude being too brief a flirtation) and she matured in that relationship: at first she blamed herself for its failure, but in this farewell episode we saw her assert herself and lay the blame at Oliver's feet, and doing so without denying the strong emotional connection she had with him. He'll be sorely missed by both of them.

Plus, let's not forget the substantial contribution he's made to this season's male nudity quota. :-D This week's gratuitous waistband shot was particularly yummy. *g*

I thought the lead-up to Ollie's farewell was nicely understated--he suggests to Lois that they should take a break, and for a moment I thought that was going to be it. Then he opted for a vacation, but it was obvious that he was just postponing the inevitable since he'd already articulated that it wasn't fair to Lois. This is obviously something that Ollie's considered before, and in retrospect his decision to protect his identity last week seems like it may have been partly driven by the idea that he couldn't keep Lois forever regardless of her acceptance, since it wasn't fair to her.

I could barely watch the Lollie farewell scene. *sniffles* It stung as much as I thought it would. Oh, and Ollie mentioned his parents' death! He said he loved her! *flails* And 'the moment I'll regret for the rest of my life'. OMG, OMG, OMG. I need the futurefic NOW!!!

I like that Lois said she wouldn't be waiting. That combined with Ollie's honesty that he won't be coming back anytime soon will mean she makes sure to move on. And that's of the good, because canonically she needs to!

There was some balm for Ollie's departure: he gets to jet around the world with a bunch of hot superheros. That's not bad! I'm glad they built this ep for him, since it makes it a far less lonely departure. And for Lois, well, I really wanted to see her cry on Clark's shoulder, but lacking that at least we had some Clois-y vibes: I greatly enjoyed seeing Clark flustered by Lois and her underwear and holidaying-with-Ollie in this episode. I like that he's conflicted about having protected Ollie's secret. I'm just praying there's some more Clois to come this season.

I have some fears about the second half of this season--it's hard for me to imagine how they'll top the first half, and the show may feel terribly empty once it returns to the usual formula--especially if Lois can't stick around either contractually (I don't know). Also, I'm concerned that Lex's plot doesn't tie to Clark's at all now. That could be a mistake. Clark off chasing Zoners and Lex... hanging with Lana? Doesn't sound like a recipe for a brilliant half-season to me. But I'll cross my fingers the writers have some good stuff in store. And I can totally see the season ending with Clark getting ready to join the League... and that is YAY! \o/
 
 
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Nora Norwichnorwich36 on January 20th, 2007 09:24 am (UTC)
Sorry for the multiple reposts! I can't type tonight.
Great analysis, as always! And there isn't a ton of heavy analysis of this episode, actually--mostly just episode reactions more than actual analysis, although romanyg's comments on the Luthor family dynamic were interesting. (Her review is linked at eat_crow.)

I think your examination of Clark's reactions to the Justice team are very interesting. I focused more on Clark's methods being different than those of Oliver's--and I do think that was why they had that conversation about blowing up the lab, to demonstrate that Clark doesn't necessarily approve of Ollie's methods. But I agree that his assumption that he should get some sort of final say when he's not a team player is rather entitled of him.

I also liked your observations about Clark's interactions with Bart. That judgmentalism is not his best trait, and it is definitely contrasted with Ollie in this episode. However, what I thought was really interesting is that Ollie, like Clark, played rescuer to the other three team members; the difference was that Ollie had a mission for them. On the other hand, Ollie is still using shady tactics in his mission. If he's been working with the JL for six months, that means when he was working with them when he had Lex kidnapped and tortured. And yes, he lost control of his minion there, but that is not so different than Lex's characteristic actions.

So Ollie and Clark have been very good for each other; Ollie pushed Clark toward having a little more of a mission (beyond the Zoners), and Clark pushed Ollie toward considering the methods he used a little more.

Like you, I'm really sad Ollie is leaving. I totally agree that his greyness allowed for interesting mirroring of the Lex and Clark arcs, and plus I've come to love him as a character, for himself. THat scene with Lois just about killed me.

would love, for example, to see a plot exploration of the ways in which Lex both identifies with and distances himself from the meteor freaks he experiments on/trains in this facility. Because there IS self-identification to be done there--he's a meteor freak himself and he's spent time in Belle Reve. And don't tell me he's not attracted to at least some of his 'freaks': Myx, for starters, and that cute computer-nerd chick--didn't she end up there too? Oh, there's just so so much fodder there. Fanfic anyone?!!!

Oh, yes--I would love to see those themes explore more, on the show or in fic. Wasn't competent villainous Lex GREAT? I loved his creative torture for Bart. (And for some reason, that brings a line from one of astolat's stories into my head: "Flaying was good, very classic." (From Lex considering torture methods for someone, I can't remember who at the moment).

Lois, by the way, has at least 5 more episodes this season. And I doubt Clark is going to chase Zoners until May sweeps. Though I think you're right in predicting more Lexana.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Allison bouncybop_radar on January 20th, 2007 11:51 pm (UTC)
Re: Sorry for the multiple reposts! I can't type tonight.
I'm short on time, hon, so expect me to be playing meta catch-up all week... but to reply to your comment here first:

I do think that was why they had that conversation about blowing up the lab, to demonstrate that Clark doesn't necessarily approve of Ollie's methods.
Ok... but that's just kind of weird because Clark isn't exactly Mr Careful when he's superheroing either. He throws people across rooms, knocks down walls... I guess the difference is deliberation. He doesn't deliberately destroy. But he sure as hell does so accidently and he never shows much concern for the property (or lives) of others caught in his path. Not too many points for self-awareness there Clarky!

the difference was that Ollie had a mission for them
Yeah, that's a big difference and one that refects the difference in Clark and Oliver's internal states: Oliver has direction in life, Clark is still in his pre-formed state: he has impulses but not solid direction.

"Flaying was good, very classic."
I love that line!! And I want to see and/or make a Lex supervillain vid, damn it! So bring on more of that stuff.

I am greatly comforted that Lois has more eps this season. *clings* What are these May 'sweeps'? I don't know the lingo. But yeah, it's baffling me how they are going to fill the rest of this season... I know everyone else is spoiled, but in my blank-slate state I'm having imaginative failure.
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K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lollie ship!bop_radar on January 20th, 2007 11:45 pm (UTC)
I would expect it too! In fact I hope we get textual references to him doing so. *nods* Star City is evidently not THAT far away. It's a tragedy that Ollie's leaving that apartment though... I adored it. And yes, it fits perfectly that Ollie would be the one to leave Lois. I loved how it played--she took it on the chin, but was also clearly very cut up.
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K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Clois hugbop_radar on January 21st, 2007 10:39 pm (UTC)
True. Oh, Lois!
Cris: JLA - leagueduskwillow on January 20th, 2007 03:10 pm (UTC)
Sure it was touching that Ollie obviously had been hoping for that approval, but it just seemed rather absurd to have Clark set up as the patriarch of the group when he isn't even part of it yet.
The way I saw it Ollie wanted Clark to agree to it because that would make him part of the team, even if he isn't in their little group yet. Sort of "This is what we do, these are the choices and decisions we make every day. Want to be one of us, learn how to make a decision. Even if it involves someone (Lex) you were once close to."

Oh, and we finally, FINALLY got to see Lex crack out a classic comic book superhero torture machine with the contraption designed to keep Bart running. Luthor inventiveness--wheee!! It was actually clever and looked great!
I know!! How cool was that thing! That was so science genius Lex!
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lex purple evilbop_radar on January 20th, 2007 11:44 pm (UTC)
Want to be one of us, learn how to make a decision.
Ha! I like that reading! *g* Still not convinced that entitles him to lead the group out in the hero shot... but Ollie's a gracious man. :-)

Lex was awesome in this episode! I just hope we get more of it. I hope he captures the Zoners, to be honest: that would tie the two plots together and provide more villain!Lex fun! And Clex confrontations! *crosses fingers*
nehellania on January 20th, 2007 05:00 pm (UTC)
..you know, if someone would have told me before that this episode full of gay!gay!gay! would have inspired any serious, lucid thought out of me, I would have been shocked. That being said?

Your call about Clark not being a team player is right on the mark. But I don't think it bothered me that much because frankly, when has Clark really had the chance to learn how to play nice with others? You rarely see him working with the "freaks", and more often than not, he's working against them because they're dangerous to the citizens of Smallville and the world at large. I think it's fairly obvious that Clark's social interaction skills suck, and he lacks a lot of the social experience necessary to play well in a team setting. (this is not to say that people who don't do well in teams are all socially lacking - I don't necessarily play well with others either, but I do think Clark's lack of social skills is more the problem here than any inherent issues with group work)

I think that this episode did really well in, as you said, not casting Clark in the most flattering of lights. He *does* have issues with the other children playing in his sandbox, he's incredibly impulsive and often rushes in without an actual plan, and cooperation is sort of a foreign concept to him.

I guess my thing here is - for years in this fandom, there have been cries of "This isn't my superman!" in reference to Clark, especially from the more knowledgeable comic-book set. For quite a few seasons there, the show was attempting to paint Clark in the best possible light, highlighting all his more desirable characteristics and leaving the fans sort of scratching their heads in confusion. Now we're getting a more balanced approach. Clark has some serious flaws that need to be dealt with now, so that he can become who he needs to later on.

My hope is that the show continues on with this. Oliver really did sort of serve to highlight the problems inherent in Clark's approach to being a hero and it would be a shame if the rest of the season has Clark regress into the same person he was before.

I'm having some issues with this whole meteor-freak storyline, but since I watched X-Men - The Last Stand last night, I may be projecting, so I'll save that for later. Though I may be back to ramble about that later. *nods*
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Clark basketballbop_radar on January 20th, 2007 11:42 pm (UTC)
O.O Woah! It's Jen! Jen with thoughts! *does a happy happy dance* And I was just thinking about you, sweetie! How you going?!

when has Clark really had the chance to learn how to play nice with others?
Yeah, good call. Smalltown life (with freaks) hasn't really provided that opportunity. I think you're right--Clark has flawes and they need addressed, but that's what growth is about. I like growth! Growth is realistic! And I don't have a problem with his not being the perfect Superman yet. He's only just become an adult, and as you know I like the way that Smallville follows those classic 'coming of age' stories. As you say, I just hope they continue to deliver. I have some fears (stated above) but I'm also optimistic because I've enjoyed most of the writing of Clark this season and because I think TW has such a great grasp on his character. Fingers crossed...
anna: tom is supersnarkist on January 20th, 2007 11:20 pm (UTC)
Yeah, Clark's uber-suspicious attitude bothers me, sometimes. He seems like he's always more ready to accuse people then trust them, and I agree that the show doesn't really seem to be putting him in the best light. After a while, I just want to be like, "Enough, Clark! Now you're just being a jerk!"

I also didn't really like that big superhero shot. It was really Oliver's moment. He was the leader of that team, and honestly, saved Clark's butt. He should have gotten to do the middle/front-of-the-team strut. But, it's Clark show, so...

Yay for evil villian Lex! I want more of that. I'm tired of the middle of the road stuff. I want him to be BAD. (And not just 'cause it's hot. *g*) I wonder if his face is getting rounder 'cause he's SWOLLEN WITH EVIL.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lois duhbop_radar on January 20th, 2007 11:38 pm (UTC)
I agree that the show doesn't really seem to be putting him in the best light.
Interestingly, I've been more 'behind' Clark and his greatness in Season 6 than ever before, since I've really seen him maturing. For me, the scripting of this episode was a bit of a slide back to the 'old' hyper-suspicious presumptuous Clark. In part it was a product of the plot scenario since comparisons to Ollie and the others were inevitable, but I growled a bit at the actual scripting too. And I completely agree about the hero shot. Ollie should have been first!! It was absurd. I loved that Ollie saved Clark. But damn, he should have had that moment, and you can tell it was just the writers saying 'oh, god, we can't have Oliver in the middle or it will be like it's Oliver's show'. Well they should have thought of that earlier!!

I want him to be BAD. (And not just 'cause it's hot. *g*) I wonder if his face is getting rounder 'cause he's SWOLLEN WITH EVIL.
*lol* I can only hope so! But what is with MR's puffy face?!
anna: wha?snarkist on January 20th, 2007 11:56 pm (UTC)
Dude, I do not know what's going on with the puffy. He's probably just, you know, getting older or something. Let's hope he's not just coming down from some month long cocaine binge. I imagine those boys from SPN are very bad influences.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: MR dorkbop_radar on January 21st, 2007 10:39 pm (UTC)
Heee. I imagine so too. Although I'm sure they blame Mikey! MR's so lean the puffy is just ... odd ... because so far I reckon he's looked better with age. Fingers crossed for some good improvement in the latter half of the season!
tragicllyhiptragicllyhip on January 21st, 2007 11:58 am (UTC)
Absolutely good points on Clark and his Lex territory, very interesting take on it and I like it:)


I've thought about this, and there were some moments when I was watching Justice where I was like 'wtf' it was if Deknight hadnt watched the season, because Clark, in my opinion had moved beyond the behaviour he exhibited towards Bart and Ollie. His treatment of Bart especially didn't make much sense to me, it was like the last half of the ep 'Run' was erased because Bart returned what he stole, and they left it on good terms. So that was annoying for me, and I felt like the who part with the kryptonite was contrived. Clark usually x-rays a room before entering and he would have seen it was made of lead. But it was a device to show he couldn't do it alone.

And I guess it bugs me that not being a team player was depicted in such a bad light (I'm not one either, and don't feel everyone needs to be). I don't think Clark needs to be a team player. I think Clark's position is in someway unique and its almost not far to compare him to Oliver. Oliver is a human and has no idea what it feels like to be completely invulnerable (aside from well-placed k-rock) and to have so many powers, I imagine Clark would never think he needed anyone else with all he can do. He may, but he's not a bad guy for not wanting to team up. As Tom said in a JL behind the scenes "the heroes journey is a solitary one"

And did anyone else think Aquaman is completely useless? I guess hopefully all facilities will be on the water front :D


And while I don't miss Oliver, I do wish he had been used in a way that wouldn't alienate some, I like Clark having a male friend again, and I hope he comes back:)

Great insights as always!
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Tom's backbop_radar on January 21st, 2007 10:29 pm (UTC)
Clark, in my opinion had moved beyond the behaviour he exhibited towards Bart and Ollie
I totally agree. And unfortunately, SDK strikes me as someone who has his own personal view and doesn't always bother to adjust it for others. Grr. I have issues with him.

it was like the last half of the ep 'Run' was erased because Bart returned what he stole, and they left it on good terms.
I know!! At first I thought 'oh, this is the exposition for people that haven't seen the episode' but it went further than that because there was no need for Clark to still be angry about those things!! O.O

I guess it bugs me that not being a team player was depicted in such a bad light (I'm not one either, and don't feel everyone needs to be).
I know. I get that they 'needed' to do this in an episode about the League, but it did grate a little. It just made it un-subtle as well. And as someone who's always been more of a fan of the hero's 'solitary journey' than the whole collaborative approach (can't get into X-Men, try as I might!), I was a little disappointed with the way it was presented. They've set it up so that joining the League is the final sign of Clark's maturity... and I guess I wasn't expecting that. I have mixed feelings on it, and I can understand it alienating some people. Personally I think they should have let Ollie be Ollie--give him his hero moment blowing up the lab (and people will either like it or not like it--either way works for the show)--and made Clark retain his mixed feelings on the matter and then spend the rest of the season showing how Clark grows into his own leadership and hero skills. Meh. I'm not in charge! :-)
tragicllyhiptragicllyhip on January 22nd, 2007 12:59 am (UTC)
Meh. I'm not in charge! :-)

Well dammit you should be! And I agree with what you said about SDK, I don't know if he respects the lone journey of a hero, there's no need to join up, and becoming a team player is not a sign of maturity but merely a personal choice. Well thats his swan song for SV, and I'm not really sorry.

And what sucks is I don't know how to really view things because it seems so askew from the rest of the season. Lex was on track and provided some wonderful villainy moments--hurting people and screwing with their heads at the same time, classic. And you are the only other person I've seen call Chloe the league's secretary, and thats exactly how i referred to her! Very good role for her I think. I wished Clark had been presented as being a hero in his own right, missed opportunity
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Clois kissbop_radar on January 23rd, 2007 12:23 am (UTC)
I'm not sorry about SDK leaving either, since I have pretty mixed feelings about his influence on SV.

Yeah, it was a weird ep... it's not settling well with me, and I agree that it was askew from the rest of the season. I'll hopefully feel better once there's another ep out and I get some sense of them getting back on track.

Chloe is so obviously perfect as the League's secretary! I actually think the League was way better for Chloe than it was for Clark!
rumpuso on January 25th, 2007 12:57 pm (UTC)
Steven DeNight did a 2 hour podcast in which he explained some of the inconsistencies we saw in Justice. A poster over on SHH (Agent Pat) was kind enough to transcribe some of the dialogue from that podcast for those of us who cannot sit down for 2 hours to listen. (I hope it is alright to repost this over here). You might find this interesting...
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Originally Posted by House of El podcast with SDK
Q: Do you think Justice set the precedent for the rest of the season - storyline - film wise - anything?

SDK: Well, no... here's the thing with TV - by the time Justice is airing - it's episode eleven - we're already shooting episode fifteen, sixteen is about to start shooting, the script for seventeen is already done and eighteen and nineteen are almost completely broken. It's kind of like piloting a luxury cruise ship; you can't make a turn on a dime. It takes miles to adjust your course. It's really impossible to alter based on one episode because you're already six or seven episodes down the line.

Doing a season of TV is kind of like a big jigsaw puzzle where you try to have the borders done first, and that's like the beginning, middle and end. And then you fill in everything in the middle. It's a real head-scratcher a lot of times. This year, we had a pretty strong idea of where we were headed. That may have been altered slightly, but 33.1 and the phantoms were always a big part of it.

A lot of people on the Internet keep saying 'they should give you more money,' but it's not like we have less money this year, it's just that financially it's a little different - a weaker dollar in Canada, the exchange rate is not favorable to us anymore. It's stuff like that that's affecting our budget.

Every now and then, things will get cut, and when I see it on the air, it's like... 'awww... now I look stupid!'

Speaking of plot lines, here's something I haven't been able to get on-line to explain - about Clark being stupid and going into the room with the Kryptonite. The problem is, I didn't explain it in the script well enough - it's hinted at, but not really explained. When Chloe tells him there's been equipment transfers, she says lead shielding equipment for tracking particles. And then later when she's with the boys, she says 'oh no, lead shielding - meteor rock - lead shielding - it's not just for Bart.'

Clark is going in; he's looking for lead shielding because he thinks Bart is contained in a lead shielded room. That was the idea. It was not articulated correctly on my end. When he gets to that door, as written and filmed, he X-Rays the door. He sees that it's lead and says to himself, lead, and then he goes in. We had to cut that attempted X-Ray for budget reasons 'cause ultimately it was going to be an X-Ray that didn't pan out.

I kick myself now because it would have been a very very simple dialog just to make that clear. You're looking for a lead shielded room containing Bart. And then it would have been, he's not stupid - he thinks Bart's in there. That was my fault. That was my intention, and I wish I would have made that clear.

One of the reasons plot wise that Clark needed to be sidelined by Kryptonite is he is so powerful. There's no need for the whole team to go in and rescue Bart; Clark can do it on his own. That's a constant problem - that's the one big problem with Smallville - Clark is so gigantically powerful and gets more so every year. As he becomes more and more Superman - unless he's fighting the fifty foot giant robot - which I would love, btw - it's hard because Kryptonite is the only thing that can slow him down. Or one of these super villains from the PZ, which is why I'm so glad we have these people. They're somebody that can actually hurt Clark.
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K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!bop_radar on January 26th, 2007 06:23 am (UTC)
Oh, wow, thank you for reposting this! It's always good to be reminded of the constraints that the writers have on them--and one good aspect of SDK is his willingness to apologise for his mistake. That being said, yes, it DID make him look daft having Clark walk straight into that room--and if it had been scripted as SDK originally enivisioned it would have made a lot more sense.

Yes, Superman is ridiculously powerful and that's a problem--but at least Lex is finally getting smarter with his superhero-kidnapping! ;-)
rumpuso on January 26th, 2007 12:25 pm (UTC)
You're very welcome! Here is the link which contains a whole lot more of information from that podcast. There aren't really any earthshattering spoilers in this, in my opinion, but there are some items which are very enlightening and intersting tidbits like his inspiration for the Phantom Zone. Plus, he listed writers and directors for several upcoming episodes, as well as talked about moving on from Smallville after episode 20. It's interesting stuff. Glad to share. :)

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11047950&postcount=674
Eleonora: Smallville - 6x04 - Yeah surefreezing_82 on March 26th, 2008 09:46 pm (UTC)
I just went back reading some of your meta, in particular Siren and this one. And I definitely agree with you for the whole Oliver/Lois part.
I love them so much as a couple and it wounded me as much seeing him go away again. *sighs* It was probably the only reasonable choice for them, anyway, and there's kind of a simmetry between them since Oliver broke up with Lois in Justice and it was Lois' turn to do so in Siren.
She was fighting an internal struggle and I think Erica did a GREAT job, as well as Justin, btw.

Uhm..about that future fic..I'm still in need for some after Siren.
If you find something, let me know.
It's pretty hard to find some het fic or Lois/Oliver fic around the SV fandom, and since I don't like Chloe/Oliver that much there's not so much fic material left LOL
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lollie yogabop_radar on March 28th, 2008 09:53 am (UTC)
Hi there! Thank you for commenting. It's good to hear from another Lois/Oliver fan. They are/were a great couple and it their double break-up was heartbreaking. The symmetry is nice and I do understand that reasons for the break up, but Erica and Justin really sold the relationship as having substantial emotional weight and that made it all the mre moving.

Yesss, total need for futurefic! I will keep my eyes peeled for you. ;) I'm not into Chloe/Oliver either--saw no chemistry there--and I think there's so much that could be explored with the history between Lois and Oliver. Sigh. Do you think I could bribe any writers anywhere?
Eleonora: Smallville - 6x04 - Loliverfreezing_82 on March 28th, 2008 01:09 pm (UTC)
but Erica and Justin really sold the relationship as having substantial emotional weight and that made it all the mre moving.

So true! You could hear their hearts break from miles away. Lois wanted so bad to give their relationship a chance, but honestly..I couldn't share him with the rest of the world either.
Speaking of, I guess this was also a good point for the writers to let us see Lois not yet prepared to be that superhero sidekick we're used to know from the comics or the movies. She just isn't ready for now. And I love her even more for that.
I miss Lois/oliver, anyway. There's nothing like watching old episodes like 'Rage' or 'Wither' to pimp my Loliver pride up to incredible levels LOL

You know I'm sure Loliver fans are more than we think so it's weird we can't find some decent fics to read. Weird and sad too. I wish i was more comfortable with english to write some myself. Unfortunately I'm not a native speaker so that would be a little difficult for me.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Oliverbop_radar on March 31st, 2008 07:33 am (UTC)
but honestly..I couldn't share him with the rest of the world either.
No, I think very very few people could, and I'm ok with Lois not being ready for that yet. I see it as an acknowledgment that it requires a great deal of maturity to handle that situation. Lois has the tenacity and strength to be capable of it in the future, but it makes it more poignant to me that she's got to overcome her fears first.

I think you're right--there MUST be more Lolliver fans out there... And I wish there was more Lois fic in general! But my sympathies on feeling nervous to write yourself: I find writing painfully difficult myself, even though English IS my native tongue!
Eleonora: Smallville - 6x04 - She loves mefreezing_82 on April 2nd, 2008 10:02 pm (UTC)
Lois has the tenacity and strength to be capable of it in the future, but it makes it more poignant to me that she's got to overcome her fears first.

True. Clark isn't the REAL, grown-up hero that we're used to know from the comics either, yet. So I guess it's only fair - and believable - that every charachter still has its weaknesses. They're all about 20 more or less. Anybody's anaware of his own future at that age. Oh well, apart from Lex. But Mr. Evil doesn't count LOL


PS: thanks for adding me ;)

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