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13 February 2007 @ 02:23 pm
Battlestar Galactica 3.10 The Woman, King  
Phew! Finally caught up on BSG. It's been hard to get time for TV with Bob Bob around but (shh!) he's asleep right now... I had a few questions about this episode: What the hell is with the names of these episodes? Why have we never heard about the prejudice against Sagittarons before? Why are they (still) showing us flashbacks of things that didn't occur? So THAT's where Helo's been hiding--but why didn't we get told this earlier? And why show us that 'bonus' scene?! Why call it a 'bonus'? Does that mean it happened? Or is it actually a CUT scene and indicates a directorial decision not to go down that path. *confused* I LIKE TO KNOW THESE THINGS, DAMMIT.

However, overall I liked it. I liiiiike Helo. I know he's not the world's brightest spark, but he's all heart. And I'm really glad he got a solid episode to himself--I'm pleased for Tahmoh, who did a great job here, I felt.

I liked the style of episode as well--a real problem and issue being explored and overcome, casting light on various characters. Plus I found it easy to empathise with Helo, who apart from looking spectacularly awesome (yes, please pad around half-naked some more!), was facing a bunch of cranky old men closing ranks to protect one of their own. Yuck! The doctor was seriously squirm-enducing and I don't know whether I was more annoyed at Tigh for being a prejudiced (dangerous) old sod or Adama for trusting him over a loyal officer who was open-minded enough not to ignore something that smelled fishy just because of old prejudices. Grr!

I liked the way Dee was used in this plot--it fleshed out her character a little more to hear her talk about her frustrations with her fellow Saggitarons. Seeing her and Lee spending downtime in the bar together was important too--so he's following through on his promise--good! And I loved that he called the Chief into line for offending Dualla, even though she didn't mind too much. Good boy! There was, of course, more than a dash of bravado in the demonstrative PDAing, but that was expected. I liked seeing Lee (and Dee) happy for a change, and Kara the uncomfortable one. (Yay reversal!)

Having Dee fell sick provided a strong climax to the episode and I loved Helo's attempted rescue of her. One thing that did irk me was Athena's 'she's got a husband'. URGH! What does that mean?! Her husband is her caretaker so noone else has to give a frak?! As Helo pointed out, Lee was off flying. Not to mention the fact that Dee was working with Helo AND they're friends! Damn, if I heard one of my colleagues had fallen ill with a potentially deadly virus, I'd rush down in the middle of the night to ensure they were ok too. I wouldn't say 'meh, they've got a boyfriend!' *stabs* That was a stupid line--it made it sound as if there was some jealousy issue when there was no reason for there to be one.

I found the scene where Helo got teased by the pilots a little ... odd. Perhaps I was distracted by the fact that it looked like Lee was checking Helo out. ;-) But everyone was just a little too cheery in that scene. The good-natured ribbing (um, what happened to Lee being pissed with Helo?), Kara slapping Athena cheerily on the arm (er, since when?!) ... it was just a bit too pat for me. But perhaps it was really meant to show that they were more accepted by the pilots now, and we simply haven't had an opportunity to see that before.

Apart from that scene, I found this episode a timely exploration of Helo's position within the fleet. He's swallowed being the reviled outsider for a long time now and he's bitten his tongue and both he and Athena have taken a 'serve anyway' approach. They may not be gaining the respect of others but it doesn't matter--their motivation is internal. Except that's been a real strain on Helo. He used to be 'an insider', whereas being married to a Cylon has cast a long shadow over even his closest friendships. I thought his speech where he broke down and got angry about being the guy that 'crosses the line and everyone knows it' very interesting. I actually strongly wish that we'd got more of a sense of people suspecting him (or Athena) for the deaths of the Cylons in custody. I think that would have worked well in this episode with his paranoia. And then that 'bonus' scene wouldn't have been so out of the blue (maybe they could have even kept it in the ep!). I felt Adama's apology was necessary, but I liked Helo's restraint in the cut that made the episode. That 'bonus' scene makes me really conscious of the loose thread though. But if it was going to happen in show canon it was cut way too short. *frown*

The Caprica Six scene was really interesting. Athena called her 'Six'--interesting! Is that how she's viewing her? As one of the Sixes, not as a differentiated individual? I thought the dialogue between them tread a thin line between being formal and genuinely caring. Getting the insight into Caprica's paranoia through Head!Gaius was really helpful. I'm really drawn in by Caprica's journey, almost more than by Gaius's at the moment.

Some other random thoughts:
- Hera's mobile is very cute!
- The Roslin/Zarek scene was a little odd (and random). It probably belonged in the ep before this one, but got bumped here instead. Foreshadowing?
- Roslin watching Caprica kissing the air was inappropriately creepy/sexual.

Still... *happy sigh* I liiiiiiike Helo!
 
 
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SJ: bsg - laurasarahjane12 on February 13th, 2007 06:38 am (UTC)
I think I'm one of the few who liked this episode, b/c Yay Helo! I'm happy that Tahmoh got an episode to himself, good for him.

I loved the Caprica Six scene. I was hoping that Head!Gaius would reappear and was pleased when he showed up. I wonder if they'll realise that Gaius acts the same way Caprica is. They've all seen him talk to things that aren't there/interacting with Six. This could potentially turn out really interesting.
daybreak777daybreak777 on February 13th, 2007 10:14 am (UTC)
You are so positive about BSG episodes. Your journal is like a safe haven of BSG love. I'm nitpicky myself, but only cause I love the show so much. As for Dee, she said something about Sagittarons in Bastille Day, but a prison break kind of interrupted it. I gotta rewatch that one 'cause I don't remember exactly what she said.

And I don't get the titles, either. Especially this one. Takin' A Break was from the Cheers song and there was the bar in the episode. But this Woman King, I'm stumped. But I'm still puzzling over who the captain was in Captain's Hand so I'm not real helpful.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Kara glowybop_radar on February 13th, 2007 11:49 am (UTC)
Hee! I'm so glad I'm not the only one thrown by the titles. A Cheers song?! That's SO RANDOM.

Yeah, I don't remember what Dee said about Sagittarons either--I would love to revisit that. I hope there was continuity!

You are so positive about BSG episodes. Your journal is like a safe haven of BSG love.
Heeeee. You should see me about Smallville! (And that really is a poorly written show.) Yes, I tend to be very glowy about the shows I truly truly love. I don't really do ranting. Even the little nitpicks I have are just ... dust ... or something. Whereas shows I'm not that invested in? *cracks knuckles* Bring on the nitpicking!
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Kara glowybop_radar on February 13th, 2007 11:45 am (UTC)
I liked the episode! Helo = yay! I'm glad there's a few other Helo-lovers out there too. :-)

The Caprica Six scene was a real highlight and I agree--I had the same thought about them making the connection with Gaius talking to things that aren't there. Or was that just an unintentional echo on the show's part? Don't know, but I'm very intrigued to see what happens with Caprica.
Kate: Gaius and Sixmskatej on February 13th, 2007 11:45 am (UTC)
I have to admit, I found this episode extremely embarrassing.

Why is everyone except Helo suddenly an ignorant, racist bigot? I can see that the story would have worked for die-hard Helo fans, but for fans of the other characters, it was kind of worrying. I felt like they were shoving Helo's awesomeness down my throat to the point where it was making me gag. And at the expense of characters I like a lot better! (Like Adama, for instance.)

Also, the plot was a little predictable for my liking, and I would have far preferred it if Helo had turned out to be wrong. Strangely enough, this epiosde did more to put me *off* him than endear me to him. :/

*Loved* the Six/Gauis stuff though.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Leebop_radar on February 13th, 2007 11:53 am (UTC)
Why is everyone except Helo suddenly an ignorant, racist bigot?
That is an extremely strong point and one I also had an issue with. And Adama's characterisation was crap in this ep, I thought.

The Helo fan in me says it's about time that Helo's awesomeone WAS shoved at us (he's been sidelined by the writers soooo often). BUT (BIG BUT!) I would rather he'd actually been integrated into a longer plot arc rather than just cramming (and confining) his 'awesomeness' (hee!) into one episode. Because as you point out that puts the sort of pressure on the storytelling that results in other characters having implausible reactions.

I'm really sorry it put you *off* Helo--that's an unfortunate consequence. Whereas I was delighted to see them exploring more about him than just his relationship with Sharon.

The Six/Gaius stuff was a return to strength where they are concerned--I've felt oddly disengaged from their plot(s) recently.
Beck: BSG - Lee Now More than Ever by Wisteriabeck_liz on February 13th, 2007 02:53 pm (UTC)
What the hell is with the names of these episodes? Why have we never heard about the prejudice against Sagittarons before? Why are they (still) showing us flashbacks of things that didn't occur? So THAT's where Helo's been hiding--but why didn't we get told this earlier? And why show us that 'bonus' scene?! Why call it a 'bonus'? Does that mean it happened? Or is it actually a CUT scene and indicates a directorial decision not to go down that path.

I would really love the answers to these questions, too. The flashbacks that didn't occur make me grind my teeth, the Sagittaron thing was over the top in comparison with what had gone before, and IMO, that SO was not a "bonus" scene.

Unfortunately, I knew Dr. Roberts was a bad guy from the instant I saw who played him. I don't remember that guy's name or exactly where I've seen him before, but every time I have seen him in a role, he's played something like this. Too obvious, guys. He did a good job with it, though.

I love Helo, and I totally didn't mind him wandering around half-naked through a good portion of it. I did have some issues with Sharon's line about Dee's having a husband. You're right: it totally sounded like she thought Helo was having an affair with her, or something. Very weird, especially since we and she know that the one thing Helo most definitely is not is disloyal. Anything but.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Leebop_radar on February 14th, 2007 12:52 am (UTC)
I pegged Dr Roberts as a bad guy too--perhaps I've seen something he's been in before, but I don't remember it--still, he had that 'bad guy' air!

I love Helo, and I totally didn't mind him wandering around half-naked through a good portion of it.
Who could?! *twirls* He's wonderful!

Very weird, especially since we and she know that the one thing Helo most definitely is not is disloyal. Anything but.
Exactly! It was the most bizarrely 'off' character moment. *frowns* I think it was just a poorly thought out line, because I really don't think we're supposed to think Sharon's at all insecure in that relationship.

Love your icon, btw!
Beck: BSG - Lee from Torn by syliasyliasyliabeck_liz on February 14th, 2007 12:59 am (UTC)
I finally figured it out. If you've ever seen the first X-men movie, Dr. Roberts played the creepy anti-mutant Senator Kelley. I knew I'd seen him as a racist before!

I think it was just a poorly thought out line, because I really don't think we're supposed to think Sharon's at all insecure in that relationship.

Yeah. Plus the way she said it was a bit weird, too.

Love your icon, btw!

Thank you! wisteria_ made it awhile back.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lee Apollobop_radar on February 14th, 2007 01:02 am (UTC)
Ah, yes, that's it!! I've seen him in that too. Of course he stood out as the creepy racist!
brandil on February 13th, 2007 03:46 pm (UTC)
I knew there was prejudice against Sagitarrons - from the first season maybe?

mostly undressed Helo made me a very, very happy brandil

/shallow thoughts.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lee thinking hmmbop_radar on February 14th, 2007 12:54 am (UTC)
Oh, good. So there WAS continuity! That's reassuring, though like mskatej above, it was a shock to me that everyone was suddenly racist bigots...

mostly undressed Helo made me a very, very happy brandil
Hooray! I love him! *happy sigh* I just wish he'd wander around half-dressed in ALL episodes! ;-)
blowjobs for jesus: bsg Hetkristiinthedark on February 14th, 2007 01:32 am (UTC)
hi, Boppy! How's the puppy???

Ok, BSG. I was, I'm afraid, bored by this ep. I LOVE Helo, I think he's just such a good person, and his marriage to Sharon rocks, but I guess it was too much of "message" show, and it didn't seem to have any kind of flow? Maybe? I figured I'd missed some key episode somewhere down the line, but reading everyone's comments, maybe not. :P

Anyway, to sum up: The episode was okay by BSG standards, which isn't really that bad, relatively speaking. *g*
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!bop_radar on February 14th, 2007 02:36 am (UTC)
Yeah, no, you didn't miss any key episode--this was it. Meh. You're right that it was a 'message' ep. It was clunky by BSG standards but I still enjoyed it. I could watch Helo all day!