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06 March 2007 @ 02:59 am
Battlestar Galactica 3.17 Maelstrom  
This is not my meta post.


Oh I can't do this, I can't do this. I can't. No. I just... that did not just happen. *denies* Please, nooooooo! I've been sobbing for half an hour and I can't stop. I shouldn't be posting but I'm all alone here and I ... I was unspoiled and I didn't know, I didn't know. *cries* When I realised the set-up was for death, about a third of the way in, I just lost it. Oh, god!

And I wanted to KILL that frakking 'bonus scene'. Thanks, thanks SO MUCH for showing me a DEAD PERSON when I'm still grieving. *stabs* As for the preview... sorry, no. Sorry, we do not just roll on into the next ep as if nothing happened. FRAK!

I know I'm not the only one freaking out because I saw the cut-tags earlier. But if anyone wants to come and offer a little reassurance of that, it would be very welcome because I think my brain is broken.

Oh, GOD! *cries*

ETA: Ah, interwebs, you are balm to my wounds. Quick stops past the journals of asta77, wisteria_, indigo419 and widget285 and I'm feeling looots better. I may have even giggled! Thank you!

Now I just feel like a huge duffer for being so woobie about it. But this is one of the reasons I like being unspoiled--I get to feel things. Right now, all I'm feeling is a headache and the anticipation of being extremely emotionally hungover and exhausted at work tomorrow... but you take the good with the bad, y'know?! ;-)

Inevitably, I will be back to talk about What All This Means for Lee at some stage... (Oh, LEEEE!!!) When my brain has recovered. *sleeps*
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K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Kara/Lee dreamybop_radar on March 5th, 2007 04:28 pm (UTC)
Both?!!! *cries* OMG, I am gasping for air. I swear, I do like being unspoiled--in the long-run, I know I will be happy that I got to really feel the impact of this episode but OH MY GOD THE PAIN! *hugs back*

I have got very, very good at avoiding spoilers. I have a special fast eye-flick-away that I employ whenever there's a risk. *nods*
dianora: bsg lee kara kissdianora2 on March 5th, 2007 04:46 pm (UTC)
I was spoiled and was cringing all night imagining the reactions of my unspoiled friends. *hugs* Since we will have a fourth season I am much less upset about this than I used to be. :)
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lee/Kara boundbop_radar on March 5th, 2007 06:03 pm (UTC)
Oh, thank you!! It really was terribly painful. They telegraphed her death a lot in this episode, but not at all leading up to it, so it all felt so dizzyingly fast if you were unspoiled.

And yes, fourth season means YAY! Though I'm only just dealing with the fact that Kara won't be in the rest of this season. She has to be in fourth season though. Surely!
bittermint: defiantbittermint on March 5th, 2007 05:04 pm (UTC)
I was not only unspoiled, I didn't even see that ending coming even though they telegraphed it in practically every scene.

I just... I can't believe she's gone. *cries*
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Kara/Lee boxing hugbop_radar on March 5th, 2007 06:01 pm (UTC)
Oh no! Omg! That's awful. I went into denial massively--I repeated 'no, no, please, no' over and over a great deal through my tears.

I know there's a fourth season planned and people figure she'll come back in some way then. That helps me at an intellectual level to deal with it, but it's still a devastating plot twist.
greygreycoupon on March 5th, 2007 06:01 pm (UTC)
Wow. I was seriously wondering last night if anyone managed to stay unspoiled for this.

*hugs*

I'm not sure we have seen the last of Kara. This is not a spoiler at all since actually we have no idea of Kara's fate.

As for the preview, remember the ones they show right after the ep have STUNK all season long. Like The Woman King trailer that was just Zarek ranting about Baltar getting a trial. We should have a better trailer in a few days. I don't know what the editors issue is.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Kara/Lee boxing hugbop_radar on March 5th, 2007 06:06 pm (UTC)
Yeah, my rational brain says it makes no sense that Kara is gone forever. But my heart (and gut) is still processing the blow...

I knew there was a 'big thing' about this ep because I'd seen everyone cut-tagging about it. But the last time there was this much buzz around an ep it was Unfinished Business and that worked out great. I didn't pick up that the buzz was about character death.

And yeah, the previews SUCK. I very rarely see them--most of my dls cut off straight on the credits, and frankly I'd prefer that to being reminded of how clunky the production/editing can be.
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K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: DW woebop_radar on March 5th, 2007 08:25 pm (UTC)
It's easier to take now that dawn has come... *stares out the window*
Seriously, BAD IDEA to watch it in the middle of the night.

But still WOE.
blowjobs for jesus: bsg starbuck showing tummykristiinthedark on March 5th, 2007 07:23 pm (UTC)
She's not dead! Or if she's dead, she not gone. And no, I'm not spoiled, nor was I really spoiled for last night's ep. I knew Leoben would be on with the hot hot hot HOT sex scene, but that was my spoilery. So, what do I think? Either a) she's gone through some portal to Earth OR (and this is the one I'm rooting for) b) she's a Cylon. *g* It actually never occurred to me that she was really gone, because otherwise the ep made no sense. It's your destiny to die a meaningless death? I think not!

*hugs*
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Kara glowybop_radar on March 5th, 2007 08:28 pm (UTC)
You are wise and I agree. I'm rooting for the first option though--I think it's most likely.

I didn't manage to move through my denial and grief fast enough while watching the ep. I pretty much got to the 'OMG, noooo!!' stage and stuck there. There was a brief moment where I talked myself into the 'but she'll come back in some way' part, but then I realised that it didn't make any difference to how broken Lee's heart will be right now and then I started bawling again...
Becky: they're just crayonssadface on March 5th, 2007 07:59 pm (UTC)
Today I found out Kara and Starbuck are the same person. This makes things so much clearer.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Maggie G diebop_radar on March 5th, 2007 08:29 pm (UTC)
It does!

And you're back! *points at you*
Becky: I have a great fondness for this train.sadface on March 5th, 2007 08:33 pm (UTC)
She's like half your OTP right? Isn't this devastating?
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Kara/Lee dreamybop_radar on March 5th, 2007 08:36 pm (UTC)
FUCKING DEVASTATING!!! Hence with the crying and sobbing in the middle of the night. I've had one hour's sleep, Becky! And now birds are chirping and I have to go to work... *clings*

Look at them! They were so happy! (Sort of.) *sniffles*
sarmoti: BSG - Kara b&wsarmoti on March 6th, 2007 12:18 am (UTC)
Oh noes! I'm usually not spoiled but I was for this (saw enough hinting about it that I finally just started to click on stuff) and I really really wanted to warn the unspoiled to brace themselves or stock up on booze or valium or something, but at the same time I of course didn't want to ruin any surprises! I sort of wish I'd been able to avoid this spoiler, but at the same time I'm glad I had a few weeks for it all to sink in before I had to watch the episode and have my heart torn out.

What All This Means for Lee

I just...OH LEEEEEEEE! *hugs him* I'm already imagining that the opening shot of next week's episode will be of Lee looking FORLORN. (Or it'll be of Baltar or some shit, wtf, let us grieve for a damn moment, show!)
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lee in darknessbop_radar on March 6th, 2007 12:36 am (UTC)
Awww, thank you for your sympathy! *hugs* I think it would have been good to know to stock up on some type of comfort-product. Ironically, I got a hint like that before Unfinished Business and was scared as hell to watch that eppy (I roped in a friend to watch with me). In retrospect, that was misplaced anxiety! Last night was gut-wrenching. There was a point where I actually thought I was freaking out so much I might have to call someone at 3am in the morning! (Thank god for LJ--for once my timezones worked for me!) I know I'm still in shock, so I think it's probably good you've had a little time to let it sink in. I'm very envious of all those fans managing to be emotionally distant from the ep. I'm buzzing with analysis I want to get into, but it's swamped by grief for now.

OH LEEEEEEEE! *hugs him* I'm already imagining that the opening shot of next week's episode will be of Lee looking FORLORN
It's Lee that really killed me. (As always.) This journey could be good for Kara (assuming she returns) but regardless of the outcome, Lee has to live through the grief. And if she's really dead, then it's those grieving for her who will break my heart. I'm so so glad he was at her side so much in those final days and moments, but I'm also absolutely gut-wrenchingly heartbroken for him. I'm kind of glad they didn't flash back to him at the end because I don't think I could have dealt with the GUTTED. Part of Lee died with Kara, I swear. And oh, what a mindfuck that he said 'trust me' (though I LOVE that he did and he's so strong now!).

Or it'll be of Baltar or some shit, wtf, let us grieve for a damn moment, show!
Yeah, that was my reaction to the trailer--but that's partly because I don't usually see them and they are lame and it jolted me. I fear that the show WILL just power on in many ways, and I AM looking forward to Lee being involved with the trial but I didn't realise that I would be watching those eps without any Kara anywhere. *weeps* Oh, LEEEEE!!! The worst thing is, noone will understand. His grief will by necessity be solitary. I guess everyone's is...
sarmoti: BSG - Lee OH NOES!sarmoti on March 6th, 2007 02:40 am (UTC)
This journey could be good for Kara (assuming she returns) but regardless of the outcome, Lee has to live through the grief. '

I know! Omg, it's gonna be so terrible and fantastic. Lee doesn't have the luxury that we do of having hope that she is alive because she's an important character on a TV show and the producer can't just take away our Kara. Because the gods CAN take away HIS Kara. *cryyyyyyyyyyyy*

If they were ever to flashback to when Lee and Kara first met, this would be the time to do it. I don't think they will though. It's probably for the best - sometimes fanon is much much better (and truer, as far as I'm concerned).
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Leebop_radar on March 6th, 2007 02:56 am (UTC)
Yeah, if Lee wasn't an atheist before, he sure as hell will be now! ;-) Oh, darling Lee! I keep thinking of him watching Kara vanish before his eyes, hearing her beg him to let her go, watching her explode and pressing that 'abort' button despite his entire body aching to follow her.

And yes, I probably agree that it's better if their first meeting is left as fanon, but still ... I know what you mean... and I'm going to miss not having ANY K/L interaction on the show! :-(
daybreak777: Kara prayingdaybreak777 on March 6th, 2007 02:05 am (UTC)
But Lee will be okay, won’t he? *Shrugs out of denial* He won’t, how could he? (Gods the way he looked at her, even she couldn't take it.)

My ship, Bop! While the large part of me mourns Kara Thrace so that I can’t even talk about it (whatever happens she and the show are forever different), the other part of me worries about Lee. Lee alive without her. He’s not going to be okay. He was no more okay before this ep than she was. My poor broken ones. They will fix it, right?

I don’t care right now what happens to anyone else. They will be together someday. They must. Right? Nothing can separate them for long. Not spouses, not destiny, not death! *sniffling*

Waiting to read Bop's talk that will say how Lee will somehow deal? cope? with this. *Back into denial*

One is never alone on LJ, thank goodness.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Karabop_radar on March 6th, 2007 03:15 am (UTC)
Gods the way he looked at her, even she couldn't take it
When in particular? *curious*

whatever happens she and the show are forever different
That's what broke me last night. I see everyone being strong and perky and distanced and analytical, but I'm still broken right now. When I realised she was going to die, I *did* say to myself 'oh but she'll be back in some way' but it didn't really help because this will still have happened.

I have a lot to say about Lee, and actually not all of it is despairing. (Which is not to say that I'm not heartbroken for him!) I think this is both the best and worst timing for this ever to happen to him. Worst in that it will haunt him forever that he turned her down so soon before her death and that he was happy(ish) but she wasn't, and best because I think he's built some emotional resilience, particularly where 'living on despite everything' is concerned. He's faced death before, after all, and he is not the same guy as the Lee who wanted to slip away into nothingness. He'll live and he'll try to live well for Kara's sake (and his own), I suspect. He will have grief, and if she ever comes back, in any form, it will absolutely GUT him, because to some degree he'll have to put a lid on his emotions to get on with life. But... yes, I think Lee will handle it somehow. And I trust in Kara too that whatever journey she undergoes she will be strong enough to bear it... right?! She couldn't come back more broken could she?! *trembles*

Ship-wise, I was actually overjoyed at the way the ep played out--Lee was at her side so much in this 'it will always be the two of us' kind of way, that makes me firmly believe that if/when she does come back there will be reuniting.
daybreak777daybreak777 on March 6th, 2007 04:55 am (UTC)
They were sitting under one of the ships and he asked her to trust him. He just stared and stared and he said "Whatever it takes." She looked away because he was staring at her like that, kind of like when she walked into that raptor a million years ago. She mentioned Dee just to break the spell.

This show keeps breaking my heart. Like with New Caprica. They all just keep getting more broken. And the season is not over!

I'm afraid with the loss of Kara, Lee will push everything even further in and he's going to snap at some point. I don't know if he really has resilence or is just pretending it. Didn't he say recently "if she dies, I'll let you," meaning he'd let Sam kill him? So much emotion with Lee just under the surface. I kind of like when he loses it. If Kara faces death once a season then Lee flips and snaps once a season. I believe he's trying with Dee and it may be better but it's not that great.

Kara is going to be stronger, I saw it in her eyes. But Lee, I don't know. A reunion would be awesome! But it would mess them both up. And I want it. Now. I miss them together already. Those scenes only made me want to see more of them. Not if Bop, when. When. When. When.

Ah, the idea of an eventual reunion makes me feel much better. Hope it helps you too.

*more hugs and more hugs to you*
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Kara/Lee dreamybop_radar on March 6th, 2007 05:09 am (UTC)
He just stared and stared and he said "Whatever it takes."
Ah, THAT moment! I loved that moment. I was willing him to keep on staring--I know he was trying to tell her so much in that silence. I'm glad Kara noticed it. Thanks for the Kara translation--you may find it ridiculous, but I actually didn't know if that had really reached her or not. (I need my Kara fans!!)

This really is one of the most tragic shows I've ever watched. I thought it couldn't beat the AtS finale. But now I don't know. It's getting to the point where I'm frightened every episode. But bizarrely with this episode I'd lost my fear--which is the only reason I even attempted to watch it in the middle of the night! I've been in such a happy place recently (because Lee was) and I just didn't see this coming.

Didn't he say recently "if she dies, I'll let you," meaning he'd let Sam kill him?
Yes, he did! And he means it. And I love it when he loses it. He is kind of like a pressure valve... sometimes he presses down and down and down until it all explodes out again.

You sound so sure about Kara. I'm glad of that! That gives me more hope, because I'm sure of Lee. I wouldn't have been until recently, but he's changing already, and I think this could actually be good 'space' for him to change constructively. The crucial issue is how he handles the grief. (Duh! Can you tell I'm tired?)

A reunion would be awesome! But it would mess them both up. And I want it. Now. I miss them together already. Those scenes only made me want to see more of them.
I knoooooowwww!!! Damn it, this show makes me so hungry. And we're going to have to wait until next season! *whines* But I'm already feeling better--next season, not never. \o/
(Anonymous) on March 6th, 2007 02:13 am (UTC)
I really expected her to wake up in a Cylon vat right after she died. I was very surprised when that didn't happen. I hadn't even thought about the whole portal to earth idea. Just as long as she comes back!

sorry about the anon post--LJ won't let me log in because it is stupid.

CapnZebbie

K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Karabop_radar on March 6th, 2007 02:57 am (UTC)
Hee! Yeah, I've seen a few people mention the vat. I so don't want her to be a Cylon, so I was totally bidding for it to be a portal to Earth.
ssmith_12ssmith_12 on March 6th, 2007 12:36 pm (UTC)
"How could Kara be a Cylon if Simon stole her ovaries??"

He kept going on & on how they (aka: Cylons or humans) needed good breeding women.

This was my one though/hope all night last night.

**Love this whole discussion, btw :O)
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: BSG baby with that Cylonbop_radar on March 6th, 2007 07:55 pm (UTC)
Ah, a very, very good point! Thank you for raising it. Yes, Kara's been positioned as a human vis a vis the Cylons (particularly the Cylon men) for too long now. I really feel that it would be a very unpopular retcon to make her a Cylon now.

(And hi! I'm glad you're enjoying it! *g*)
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K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Kara glowybop_radar on March 6th, 2007 03:07 am (UTC)
Missed the ending as in didn't see it coming or didn't see the ending?! Either way that's AWFUL.

And yes, I really REALLY don't want her to be a Cylon and will probably be saying so at length (and possibly with dot points! no, not really) in my meta post. ;-)
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K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Leebop_radar on March 6th, 2007 03:25 am (UTC)
Hee. Yes. I didn't like the trailer--I don't usually see them so I'm not used to their badness.
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K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Kara/Lee boxing hugbop_radar on March 6th, 2007 03:24 am (UTC)
Ahh, yes, bittermint above had the same experience. I saw it, though I'm not always the most clued in to these things. I'm partly glad I did and partly not glad. It just meant the sobbing started early... also the begging the show not to go where I knew it was going... and then the swearing when it did. But OUCH! if you didn't see it coming!
Mrs. RosiePosie Bamber-Crowe (aka Cristy): starbuckrosie_posie77 on March 9th, 2007 01:37 pm (UTC)
i agree with kristin. i believe she's gone through sort of portal through Earth... hope she won't be back as a head!kara, or at least as a head!kara only.
Starbuck lives!
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Kara glowybop_radar on March 9th, 2007 10:06 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I really like that idea! :-) Long live Starbuck!