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09 February 2008 @ 05:35 pm
Smallville 7.11 Siren  
I've had houseguests this week so I had the unusual experience of watching this week's Smallville episode with a first-timer to the show. She says she's hooked. :D

Although I found the Black Canary well cast, I didn't really warm to her as a character. As a guest star I thought she worked well and I found the fight sequences and effects in this episode really well choreographed (the Oliver-Lex fight was my favourite), but BC herself didn't hit my squee buttons. Perhaps it had something to do with her calling Lois a 'squawking parrot'. ;) Despite that, I thought her character was well handled on the show. I liked the banter they gave her and the tension they set up between Dinah and Lois. Seeing Lois snark at anyone is fun, and Dinah knew how to punch back where it hurt. In having her use Oliver's return as her slapdown, they established that the two women knew of each other already, and I liked that not only because it added layers to the dynamic for this episode, but also because it made Lois seem like she's a rising star in Metropolis.

While I'm not queuing up to be a BC-GA shipper, I did like the symbolism in having Black Canary shatter Green Arrow's arrows. Parallels between BC and Lois were well drawn--both are snarky, confident and like to one-up the men in their lives. So BC ending the episode by saying Oliver has bad taste in women was amusingly ironic. Clark seems so determined to ship Oliver with someone--he's instantly beamy about Dinah making the moves on Oliver. And while I don't think Oliver's quite ready for that yet, he clearly likes and respects Dinah, so the stage has been set for their future canoodling.

What I was truly excited about was having both Lois and Oliver back in an episode. Together! And oh, wow, their shippy stuff was heartbreaky. I'd forgotten how adorable they were together and part of me, despite my Clois fan status, really wanted them to work things out. In fact I may have been muttering the words 'oh please, pleeeaaase' in their final scene together.

I love Lois's armour against romance--comfort food, talking to herself, pacing. Despite her best efforts not to get played, Lois was clearly still strongly attracted to Oliver. And yes, he was seducing her pretty determinedly, but it was hard to begrudge him that when he was also so open about his own emotions, saying he would have been on her doorstep and he'd missed her so much. I loved Lois's reaction when she caught sight of Black Canary. And I was genuinely surprised that she didn't get conveniently concussed during that scene. I'm really glad she didn't though--it took the episode in an interesting direction.

I loved Oliver's patient but pissed off expression when they were tied back to back and Lois started mouthing off at him. I found that scene adorable--I remember how much I enjoyed the fact that these two could both peel shreds off each other but still love each other to bits. Lois remembering her make-out session with Clark-as-GA was very funny, as was Oliver's response. Aww, poor Ollie really didn't want to remember that! (And I've missed Justin's facial expressions.)

It was very cute of Lois to try and protect Oliver's identity, and this cute was matched by Oliver's sheepish 'sorry'. I was glad that they didn't have to clumsily hash out the details: Lois 'got it' very quickly. And I think Lois was very glad that Oliver wanted to give it another chance with her. I even think she was really moved that he was so fragile and hopeful in that scene, his identity exposed before her. In some ways, it felt like it balanced the scales to have Lois end things with Ollie this time, but it was a painful scene. It was obvious that Lois didn't want to reject him, that she felt compelled to do so, and Oliver knows her well enough to know her first answers are red-herrings.

It was very telling that despite Oliver's digging for the truth, she didn't disclose all her reasons with Oliver, but did so with Clark instead. With Oliver she simply calls herself 'selfish', casting herself as the 'bad guy', the one with a flaw. Lois is right that Oliver would never admit it himself, and it's so very Lois to take on someone else's responsibility and burden and make it her own pain to carry. To cast herself as the bad guy to protect someone else from playing that role.

Like Oliver, Clark knows Lois well and he knows there's more to the break-up than meets the eye, pointing out that when things get difficult she usually redoubles her determination. Why is this different? Because it taps directly into Lois's greatest vulnerability. We have never heard Lois grumble about being the General's daughter. She bore the pain of coming second, even after her mother's death, silently. But that doesn't mean the pain's not there. She's chronically self-critical for what she considers to be her 'selfishness' in wishing she'd come first in his eyes. She believes the flaw in the scenario is her. So to choose a life with someone else who has great public repsonsibiliy would mean, for Lois, that her greatest flaw was constantly on display. So while superficially this episode dealt with Oliver's identity being exposed, Lois too ends up feeling stripped bare--emotionally.

Clark was trying really hard to empathise with Lois and Lois was more open and vulnerable than we've ever seen her. She took real comfort in Clark's arms and though her comment about not settling for hot, rich and famous could have been played as a tension-defuser, it came out more as a genuine statement of affection, especially since she snuggled deeper into Clark's arms. This Clois shipper is happy!


This episode provided a very interesting journey for Clark. He listened to two women tell him that he couldn't possibly understand what it felt like to look into his eyes and come off 'second'. Lois asks him if he knows what it feels like to know that your partner's destiny is so much greater than yours, that you will never compete, that you will always be left behind. He doesn't know but he does see Lois's genuine pain, and it leads him to acknowledge Lana's grace in dealing with his dual identity. I do believe that Clark's always been appreciative of this from Lana, but it was a timely reminder.

Lana's own appeal to Clark focussed on what it felt like to 'fail' in the eyes of someone you loved. It's very powerful to hear this discussed so openly, since it's been a common experience for both Lana and Lex in their relationships with Clark, and they've tugged at our sympathies for this reason. It IS a horrible feeling to be judged by the one you love. But Clark's reply to Lana is actually very astute. He says 'I don't think it's me you can't face'. It's the mirror that Clark provides to both Lex and Lana that proves truly confronting for them. The reflections of themselves that they see in his eyes have challenged their deepest assumptions about themselves. Lex dealt with it by embracing his reflection. Lana is still struggling with hers, but seems to believe she can subsume it.

Lana says that sometimes justice comes at too high a price. But the price she names is not morality, it's losing her relationship with Clark. She says Clark pulled her back from the edge--she didn't do so herself, and I think that will prove crucial. It's not really a change of heart for her, it's a strategic move to keep her relationship. This does, as Lionel points out, make her very Luthorian.

I thought it was very interesting that Lionel went to Lana--there was some well-hidden desperation in play there, I believe. Lana held and tortured him not that long ago. But Lionel wants to be able to tackle Lex about Grant's death--either because he is genuinely upset about it or simply because it will regain him some leverage over Lex. And Lana is his best chance of getting evidence. I'm glad his attempt at blackmail did not work.

Very interesting that Lana referred to herself as 'Lady Macbeth': she says she was 'turned into' this figure in the eyes of others, but the allusion to Lady Macbeth was made on the show a long time before Season 7, trying to wash Genevieve Teague's blood from her hands at the end of Season 4. Meta nitpick aside, Lana had every right to point out the hypocrisy in Clark turning to her for help.

I really felt for Clark when he found out that Lana had told the Phantom (but not him, until now) about the woman she was 'treating'. That scene between Clark and Lana was very well played and my sympathies oscillated between both of them. Lana did hide the truth until she was threatened. But she's also right that Clark is hypocritical in his judgemental attacks on her. Long before she knew of his powers, she suffered confusing cruelties at his hand that he expected her to forgive without any explanation being given. Perhaps it was shocking to hear Lana call Clark 'self-righteous' but I like her better for doing so. He can appear so, and he doesn't realise that. He is caught up in his own pain and doesn't see that in raising his voice and criticising Lana he's only pushing her further away.

'I stole a lambourgini' may be the funniest make-up line I've ever heard. But it WAS moving to hear Clark admit that he was far from perfect, and acknowledge at least some of the morally grey things he's been responsible for. I still wonder whether Lana will struggle to tell Clark the whole truth from now on, but I did find their exchanges in this episode refreshingly frank. I particularly liked Lana saying 'I think you doubt that I'm the one you're really going to end up with'. It's interesting that she's noticed that, and points to how intuitive she is.

Overall this episode provided a very mature exploration of the issues surrounding dual identities and maintaining relationships with them. There were no clear 'bad guys' in these relationships.


I'm not going to talk about Chloe because she irritated me so much it'll ruin my squee, as well as other people's, if I do so. However, I did feel she had the better of Clark when he came to d&m about Lana. I don't know why but I'd somehow expected him to internalise his emotions about the Phantom, but instead it seems like he can't shut up about it! Until he hears the awkward truths.

I was amused at Clark showing how close he is to Oliver by virtue of skipping social niceties. Ah, yes! The TRUE sign that you're in Clark's inner circle. And I'd forgotten how much I loved these guys' banter. Once again the question being asked this season is why is Clark still on the farm? Why does he not use his powers to tackle problems on a bigger scale? Oliver's always been open about his own stance on this and it didn't take them long to rehash the same argument. I'm always up for that!

Lana was super-spunky in those glasses. That's the first time she's worn them, yes? She looks more and more composed and professional every day.

Was it just me or was Clark's eyebrow raise to Lois's 'there's parts of him you've never seen' a little more 'you'd be surprised' than 'that's a given'? ;p

Irony abounded in this episode. It's hard to pick the best example. Perhaps it was Oliver's 'when the earth cracks open and time ticks backwards' snark, or maybe Lois referring to Clark and Lana as the perfect destined couple. Or, less obviously, Lex saying 'I'm not much for philosopohical debates'.

There was, of course, one big gaping hole in this plot--Lois didn't react about or even mention Grant's death. Does she not know? That seems impossible. It's more likely it was just deemed to complicated for the writers to deal with.

And saving the best for last... that fight scene! Lex held his own very well against Green Arrow, and the choreography team deserve lots of kudos. This scene, of course, set up a fascinating dilemma for Clex fans: how to interpret Clark's 'saves'? It is perhaps predictable that the show's left it pretty grey. Pessimists can point out that Clark chose to save Black Canary over Lex. But more optimistically, he actually saved Lex first, before anyone. Oliver's arrow was much closer to killing Lex. And it's also possible that Clark thought a bullet was the more damaging weapon. A knife in the shoulder is painful but not deadly. And it's hardly the first time that we've seen Clark hesitate to save Lex. Actually he didn't really hesitate in this scene--it seemed to me far more as if he weighed the odds and took action based on what would result in least damage overall. In doing so, he was very Supermanly--making sure that no-one was killed, despite their differences.
 
 
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svgurl: oliver & loissvgurl on February 9th, 2008 09:56 am (UTC)
You made a lot of excellent points that I completely agree with.

"What I was truly excited about was having both Lois and Oliver back in an episode. Together! And oh, wow, their shippy stuff was heartbreaky. I'd forgotten how adorable they were together and part of me, despite my Clois fan status, really wanted them to work things out. In fact I may have been muttering the words 'oh please, pleeeaaase' in their final scene together."

Me too! I loved Lollie. They were amazing and JH & ED have out of this world chemistry. Their last scene put tears in my eyes. I still strongly believe that the Justice breakup was one of ED's best scenes in s6. I LOVED that she punched him. Nobody messes with Lois Lane. Some girls cry, Lois leaves bruises and you can't help but love her.

"It was very cute of Lois to try and protect Oliver's identity, and this cute was matched by Oliver's sheepish 'sorry'."

They really were so sweet together. Lois's cover up attempts made me giggle. I love her so much!

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Clark was trying really hard to empathise with Lois and Lois was more open and vulnerable than we've ever seen her. She took real comfort in Clark's arms and though her comment about not settling for hot, rich and famous could have been played as a tension-defuser, it came out more as a genuine statement of affection, especially since she snuggled deeper into Clark's arms. This Clois shipper is happy!"


This Clois shipper is happy too. I really think the fact that Lois felt comfortable enough to break down in front of Clark shows how close he's gotten to her. He's broken through her barriers and it's amazing. That line had me grinning like a dork. I've rewatched the breakup scene and the hug scene like a million times but it hasn't gotten old. Not yet anyway. ;) We had a major Clois drought but they came back with a bang!

I liked the Isis scene but the last scene frustrated me. I think it was good that Clark was showing that he wasn't perfect and that he did make mistakes but I really think that comparing what he did when he was 16 to what she's done now ... it's a bit far fetched.

"I was amused at Clark showing how close he is to Oliver by virtue of skipping social niceties."

Yup, Ollie, that's a sign of true friendship. Clark barging in and yelling at you whenever he wants. LOL! ;)

"Was it just me or was Clark's eyebrow raise to Lois's 'there's parts of him you've never seen' a little more 'you'd be surprised' than 'that's a given'? ;p"

The Collie shipper in me is giggling.

"Actually he didn't really hesitate in this scene--it seemed to me far more as if he weighed the odds and took action based on what would result in least damage overall."

I've heard interpretations that said that Clark let the knife hit Lex because he didn't want Lex to get up and shoot the GA after he ran off with the BC. Who knows how that worked out? I think it was an important scene though.

I really liked this episode, definitely one of my favorites for the season.

Sorry to have ranted! I just like to talk about this episode. ;) Great review!
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lollie yogabop_radar on February 9th, 2008 11:11 pm (UTC)
JH & ED have out of this world chemistry
Don't they just!

I LOVED that she punched him
Ha! Oh, yes, absolutely. And I love that he kinda just takes it calmly (if snarkily).

I've rewatched the breakup scene and the hug scene like a million times but it hasn't gotten old. Not yet anyway. ;) We had a major Clois drought but they came back with a bang!
True! I loved the hug so much. Although there hasn't been much Clois in season 7, I've felt that when they were on screen there was a lot more obvious closeness between them. They've stopped being just about comedy and given them some heavy material as well. And that's paid off in this episode because it makes Lois breaking down with Clark believable.

I really think that comparing what he did when he was 16 to what she's done now ... it's a bit far fetched.
Yes. It is. It's a lovely gesture but it's missing the point. Well, actually it's missing an ocean of points/subtelties.

Sorry to have ranted!
I didn't notice. ;) And I am always happy to talk about the eps. :) Thanks for dropping by!
Cris: Lois - thinkduskwillow on February 9th, 2008 10:56 am (UTC)
Great review.
I loved the episode!
There was so much Lois, Ollie, Lois/Ollie, and Clois goodness. :)

There was, of course, one big gaping hole in this plot--Lois didn't react about or even mention Grant's death. Does she not know? That seems impossible. It's more likely it was just deemed to complicated for the writers to deal with.
I don't think she knows. She probably thinks he left town (like all her boyfriends do, poor girl). I think they covered it up. Lana also didn't until Lionel told her. So I doubt it was on the front page, as it would have been since he was the editor of the Daily Planet.

And it's also possible that Clark thought a bullet was the more damaging weapon.
That is exactly how I saw it. If the bullet hit Dinah, she'd be dead, it was going straight to her heart. If the knife hit Lex, he'd be hurt but recover. It was a good decision when he had time to save only one of them.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lois searchingbop_radar on February 9th, 2008 11:13 pm (UTC)
I'm definitely happier thinking Lois didn't know. And I'd kind of forgotten that Grant got fired before he got killed. I was thinking there's no way Lois wouldn't know that her boss was dead. Silly me!

It was a good decision when he had time to save only one of them.
I think so too.
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K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lex purple evilbop_radar on February 9th, 2008 11:20 pm (UTC)
I *really* love your reading of what underlies Lois's actions in this ep and your interpretation of the character in general (the easiness with which you seem to get inside her head), and how it ties into future Clois (I adored Clois interaction in this ep!!).
Oh, thank you so much! I adore them, and it's good to hear my reading tallies with other fans' thoughts.

the fact that Clark was able to point that out to Lana so clearly in the middle of an emotional argument shows how much he's grown since that time when Lex was the one appealing for his approval/forgiveness
Yes, definitely. He took an emotional step back from that conversation and provided a thoughtful and timely observation that wasn't an accusation. He's definitely grown!

. Her words and her body language so often contradict themselves that I just feel there's so much falsity to her character. I don't know if I'm articulating it well (I'm not a native English speaker).
Well as a non-native speaker I think you explained that exceptionally well. I knew exactly what you meant. Falsity is definitely what I find hardest to deal with in Chloe. I miss the days when I liked her character! But you're so right in saying her body language and words contradict each other.

I also took it that way, although I saw the technicalities a little differently which I explained in latxcvi's journal.
Oh, I'll check that out.

Definitely not just you, you'd almost think TW does it on purpose :-)
He's had years of practice with MR, I guess. :-)

And yay for Lex holding his own in a fight and finally showing those fighting skills the writers have almost forgotten about.
I know!! It's been so long, my first thought was 'he must have been training again!'
Grimorie: loisclarkgrimorie on February 9th, 2008 05:00 pm (UTC)
Okay, can I just... I love your thoughts on the episode but particularly:

We have never heard Lois grumble about being the General's daughter. She bore the pain of coming second, even after her mother's death, silently. But that doesn't mean the pain's not there.

We know so little of Lois' life as a General's daughter and most assumed Lois' life with her father was all about rebellions, but its not just that this episode showed that despite everything Lois understood what her father was doing and for what reason. She didn't begrudge him that but it still left a scar that keeps getting bruised and wounded because how it keeps happening to her again and again.

Lois broke my heart when she revealed that she doesn't want this happening again, can't love a man that would always put her second to the world and I love Clark's empathy and how he didn't *push* and just offered his shoulder. I love the progression in their relationship and, oh, these writers they just know the right buttons to push to keep a person coming back for more...
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Clois hugbop_radar on February 9th, 2008 11:26 pm (UTC)
Yes to all of that! It was just wonderful. While Lois was a rebellious teenager she was also one that shouldered responsibilities silently--with her sister. I've always had the impression that Lois was a 'good' daughter where it mattered to other people (her dad, her sister) but rebelled in her own life because she genuinely thought it didn't matter as much (a feeling the General left her with). It was great to hear that Lois understood her father's perspective and it makes retrospective sense of the fact that she obviously loved him despite his aloof and distant parenting.

Clark was just wonderful in that scene with Lois. Of course it helped that she wasn't upset about him. If he could hang on to that empathic side and not argue with people so much when they're emotional, I think it would help him in other relationships. But pffy, who cares about that? As long as he's good to Lois! :) This Clois hug icon used to feel like a really anomolous moment of affection between them... not any more!
mahaliemmahaliem on February 9th, 2008 05:09 pm (UTC)
There was, of course, one big gaping hole in this plot--Lois didn't react about or even mention Grant's death.

As much as I adored this episode, I would've liked another episode before it, one where Lois finds out about Grant and vows to discover who killed him and bring him to justice.
tragicllyhiptragicllyhip on February 9th, 2008 08:42 pm (UTC)
Maybe no one knows of his death yet. I got the impression it had just happened when Lionel walked into Lana's Isis place to blackmail her.
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K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lollie yogabop_radar on February 9th, 2008 11:32 pm (UTC)
I'm glad that's been cleared up too.

And I don't see the big deal about her wanting to get back with Ollie at ALL. It was always obvious (to me at least) that Ollie is the most serious of any of her boyfriends so far. She had fun with Grant and it seemed to be going somewhere but it never reached the level that the Lollie relationship did with its dreamy-eyed stares across Thanksgiving dinner and so on... The Lollie break-up left Lois pretty cut up and she hasn't seen him since then. Seeing an ex for the first time since a break up is always a big deal and she was never going to know what feelings were still there until it happened. Lois herself says she thought she was over him until she saw him. I'm sure lots of young girls can relate to that. It's very hard to navigate love and the relative forms of affection in different relationships. Just because Lois is attracted to Oliver doesn't mean she doesn't also know to walk away. And she has every right to then try and make it work with someone else.

Um, I got ranty, sorry.
Nickyobsessive24 on February 9th, 2008 07:27 pm (UTC)
I haven't watched a single episode of season 7 (damn download cap!) so I had no idea why I clicked on the cut to begin with. But, dude? Oliver is back? Since when? Now I have to find a way to watch the damn show.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Oliverbop_radar on February 9th, 2008 11:33 pm (UTC)
Don't get too excited--just the one episode! (It was a good one though.)
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Nora Norwich: Lois Lanenorwich36 on February 9th, 2008 11:32 pm (UTC)
What I was truly excited about was having both Lois and Oliver back in an episode. Together! And oh, wow, their shippy stuff was heartbreaky. I'd forgotten how adorable they were together and part of me, despite my Clois fan status, really wanted them to work things out. In fact I may have been muttering the words 'oh please, pleeeaaase' in their final scene together.

It's funny, because it's not like I've been pining for Oliver this season or anything--if you'd ask me I would have said I barely noticed he was gone--but the moment he was onscreen with Lois, gah, my heart was breaking. Is it wrong that I'm more emotionally invested in Lollie than in Clois?

It was very telling that despite Oliver's digging for the truth, she didn't disclose all her reasons with Oliver, but did so with Clark instead. With Oliver she simply calls herself 'selfish', casting herself as the 'bad guy', the one with a flaw. Lois is right that Oliver would never admit it himself, and it's so very Lois to take on someone else's responsibility and burden and make it her own pain to carry. To cast herself as the bad guy to protect someone else from playing that role.

YES. You know, if I weren't already in love with SV's Lois before this episode, I'm sure this is the one where I would have fallen for her, because she's just SO amazing her. And God, ED's performance just broke my heart into tiny little pieces.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lois smirkbop_radar on February 9th, 2008 11:36 pm (UTC)
Is it wrong that I'm more emotionally invested in Lollie than in Clois?
Ha! No, not at all. I was all mushy over them too. Far more so than for CLois. Lollie to me is an active ship right now. Whereas my Clois shippiness is more of a long-term feeling of satisfaction and hope--and a comfort to turn to after the Lollie break-up, of course. Seriously if Lois hadn't cried on Clark's shoulder, I think I'd have been sniffly all day about that Lollie break up!

ED's performance just broke my heart into tiny little pieces.
I knooooow! She's such a good actress and it's brilliant to see her getting this material to work with. I felt like I spent all episode exclaiming in love about Lois, which must have been tiring for the girl I was watching with. ;) But I couldn't help it!
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K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Clois Crimsonbop_radar on February 10th, 2008 06:02 am (UTC)
Thank you! :)

And re. Chloe... well I think I got off to a bad start with her, as I found her giving Oliver lip to be really rude. He was PAYING her for a job, he was her employer, and she was busy saying things like 'I have done this before, you know!' And I didn't get the sense that was a joke--I got the sense it came from Chloe's feelings of superiority over just about everyone.

Later on, I really didn't like the scripting of having her be jealous of Lana being an efficient sidekick. She just won't give Lana any space at all! Last episode we saw them do the dance of who knows Clark better, and this week, Chloe's taken the huff because Lana was able to do one thing to help Clark. She needs to grow up! And from a writing perspective, I'm tired of them hashing out the same territory war over Clark.
darenothope: [smallville] Kara - Clark and Lois.darenothope on February 10th, 2008 07:09 am (UTC)
I finally watched Siren. I really liked what you wrote about Lois because I was trying to figure out what was going on in her head and I think you put it very eloquently.

It really is Lois-thing, taking the blame, putting the responsibility on herself. The whole "It's not you, it's me". I really did like how she was so vulnerable at the end and I think this is the first she's ever expressed that she just doesn't want to be "left" or be second. And you're right, she's been emotionally stripped bare. That whole Clois scene was just really insightful about Lois.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lois searchingbop_radar on February 11th, 2008 02:58 am (UTC)
It was a fabulous episode for showing more of Lois's emotional make-up--I really enjoyed it.
tragicllyhiptragicllyhip on February 10th, 2008 01:42 pm (UTC)
I really enjoyed your review and I'm slowly getting back into the Smallville groove, the last 3 episodes were wonderful, so I'm extremely happy

I really felt for Clark when he found out that Lana had told the Phantom (but not him, until now) about the woman she was 'treating'. That scene between Clark and Lana was very well played and my sympathies oscillated between both of them. Lana did hide the truth until she was threatened. But she's also right that Clark is hypocritical in his judgemental attacks on her. Long before she knew of his powers, she suffered confusing cruelties at his hand that he expected her to forgive without any explanation being given. Perhaps it was shocking to hear Lana call Clark 'self-righteous' but I like her better for doing so. He can appear so, and he doesn't realise that. He is caught up in his own pain and doesn't see that in raising his voice and criticising Lana he's only pushing her further away.

Honestly, Clark has forgiven Lana a lot already, and he really only got self-righteous with her when he learned of her torturing Lionel, and her willingness to fake her own death and spying on Lex (dawnybee pointed this out in her journal as well). What she did to Lionel is something Clark would never conceive of doing, actually something I have a hard time wrapping my brain around sometimes. Clark is actually very forgiving or he would never have stayed with someone who'd crossed that many moral boundaries. Clark has done some things in his life, but i don't believe he'd ever seek revenge, which is a pretty dangerous lowly game to play.

But maybe my view comes from never sympathizing with Lex or Lana for *failing in the eyes of Clark* Like Clark said, its not him they can't face. And he's not responsible for how they see themselves.

But i loved the bluntless in which they addressed their issues and it shows great maturity that they're able to just say what they mean. I'm enjoying their relationship finally.

I have to say I wasn't initially looking forward to this ep, but I enjoyed Ollie being back and while Black Siren served little purpose, her character was enjoyable as well. And he provided some wonderful scenes for Lois as well, who was wonderful this week. Her scene with Clark had to be one of my favorite scenes in a long time, and definitely my favorite between the two.

I'm not sure if what i said is making any sense, I was hesitant to post because after a long week battling pneumonia my brain is mush! so forgive any rambling:) Thanks as always for taking the time to write this:)

K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!bop_radar on February 11th, 2008 03:03 am (UTC)
Clark is actually very forgiving or he would never have stayed with someone who'd crossed that many moral boundaries.
Hmm... I do take your point, but I actually don't think he's forgiven her. I think he just pushes it away and tries not to think about it. I don't think he's comfortable with what she did and that comes out in his body language and behaviour around her, as it used to with Lex. I think it would be more honest of him to have cut things off with her, but he tries to make it work... and it's to his credit that he does try. But I can see why Lana still feels judged. (Whether it's fair or not is another matter--I tend to think it IS in this case.)

Like Clark said, its not him they can't face. And he's not responsible for how they see themselves.
I thought that was a great line. I can really empathise with the way Lex and Lana feel, but I don't necessarily think Clark's repsonsible for that. Everyone's responsible for their own emotions--Clark doesn't make them feel inferior (even if sometimes his behaviour exacerbates them feeling that way already). But he does hold up a mirror to them and I agree that they're uncomfortable with what they see. Actually I think Lex is increasingly comfortable with 'villain' status, but Lana isn't.

Her scene with Clark had to be one of my favorite scenes in a long time, and definitely my favorite between the two.
Aww, yes, it was wonderful! Clark was the perfect shoulder to cry on.

I was hesitant to post because after a long week battling pneumonia my brain is mush! so forgive any rambling:)
No rambles! I'm sorry to hear about your pneumonia--that sounds horrible.
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mystical van of doom: sv clarkvoldything on February 10th, 2008 05:08 pm (UTC)
Actually he didn't really hesitate in this scene--it seemed to me far more as if he weighed the odds and took action based on what would result in least damage overall. In doing so, he was very Supermanly--making sure that no-one was killed, despite their differences.

I was SO proud of Clark right there. He seized the situation faster than his ever done and acted without a second thought. He has grown so much, I can see the idol he will be more and more \o/
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Clark basketballbop_radar on February 11th, 2008 02:55 am (UTC)
It's exciting, isn't it?!
Le courage ne craint pas le crime: Whee~ Clex!attaccabottoni on February 11th, 2008 04:03 pm (UTC)
Though I have nothing to add, just want to say that I'm still loving your insightful (and squeeful!) reviews. :D Particularly for the Clex and Lois bits. <3
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Pretty please clarkbop_radar on February 12th, 2008 08:22 am (UTC)
Thank you! :D
goodvibe: loislovegoodvibe on February 11th, 2008 07:57 pm (UTC)
//It was very telling that despite Oliver's digging for the truth, she didn't disclose all her reasons with Oliver, but did so with Clark instead. With Oliver she simply calls herself 'selfish', casting herself as the 'bad guy', the one with a flaw. Lois is right that Oliver would never admit it himself, and it's so very Lois to take on someone else's responsibility and burden and make it her own pain to carry. To cast herself as the bad guy to protect someone else from playing that role.

Like Oliver, Clark knows Lois well and he knows there's more to the break-up than meets the eye, pointing out that when things get difficult she usually redoubles her determination. Why is this different? Because it taps directly into Lois's greatest vulnerability. We have never heard Lois grumble about being the General's daughter. She bore the pain of coming second, even after her mother's death, silently. But that doesn't mean the pain's not there. She's chronically self-critical for what she considers to be her 'selfishness' in wishing she'd come first in his eyes. She believes the flaw in the scenario is her. So to choose a life with someone else who has great public repsonsibiliy would mean, for Lois, that her greatest flaw was constantly on display. So while superficially this episode dealt with Oliver's identity being exposed, Lois too ends up feeling stripped bare--emotionally.//

That's really well put. I thought the writers did a great job with Lois, on the whole, this ep. She had some comedic stuff with the Lois/Dinah and Lois/Chloe/Clark scenes and some real, honest emotional stuff in there as well, towards the end. And though I'm not too heavily into the 'ships aspect of the show, I do appreciate certain qualities each carries, and I have to admit, that Clois scene was just lovely.

About Clark, I loved his save at the mansion. My fave scene of the ep, infact. Total Supes moment, right there.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Clois mix tapebop_radar on February 12th, 2008 08:19 am (UTC)
It was a VERY Supes moment, wasn't it? And it's so exciting when we get those!

Thanks for the comment--and yes, the Lois material was fantastic and the Clois scene a real highlight.
suex on February 11th, 2008 09:33 pm (UTC)
Its so great to be back reading Smallville reviews again and I so loved reading yours Boppy. You're so insightful and I love reading your interpretations on scenes.

And let me be another one to chime in and say how much I loved the Lois and Clark scene. By far my favourite Lois and Clark scene to date.

Now regarding Lana's self-righteous speech, I tend to be coming at that from a slightly different angle.

Clark can be judgemental and righteous and all that, but he is also imperfect and makes mistakes. Something which he clearly acknowledges. However, now I'm not sure I can word this properly, I see this as his dual identity coming into play.

Superman is self-righteous, law abiding and every fiber in his being is full of morals. However, Clark Kent has insecurities, makes mistakes and doesnt always say the right things.

Clark on Smallville, doesnt have the benefit of a costume to differentiate these two sides of his persona so it kind of all gets lost and makes him look hypocritical.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: K Lexbop_radar on February 12th, 2008 08:18 am (UTC)
Oh, I like your explanation of the way the two aspects of his personality get muddled up--that makes me feel more comfortable with it. Although that's probably the wrong way to phrase it, since I'm not uncomfortable with Clark at all! It's just easy to empathise with characters who feel judged by him, and he IS self-righteous at times. I actually think he's far less so now than he used to be, a sign of his growing maturity.
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