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08 October 2008 @ 05:49 pm
Don't die of shock  
But I'm posting about a BSG thing.

I couldn't resist it! When I first heard there were deleted scenes from 4.0 I must admit that my heart sank. I really didn't want to see any more of that abysmal mess. But... pilots... waaah... I am weeeeeeeeak! So despite my self-imposed BSG 'diet' (no BSG for a whole month!), I watched the extended version of the brig scene. And loved it. :)

Back pre-stompyness about the show, I made a rather OTT post about that scene, so for old-times sake I thought I'd record my thoughts on this extended version, which has some lovely/different touches.

I really liked Kara's comment about the wear and tear on the flight deck--and the little nose-wrinkle that came after it. It was piloty banter, but packed full of affection and the nose wrinkle seemed to say 'you know, I mean you'll be missed by the crew'. That was a lovely ego-stroke for Lee because he really doesn't think he'd be missed as a pilot (not in comparison to Kara, as he's quick to point out)--for good or bad reasons. ;)

The longer version makes it clearer that Lee and Kara knew what was going on with the other one. Kara knew that Lee was leaving before he came to visit her, and I think that does help explain to me some of her awkwardness and tension in the scene. She's never been very good at goodbyes and she's knows that's what this is from the start. No wonder she's teasing Lee and trying to break the tension.

What does Lee know? His 'we both know that's a lie' line could mean he knows that Adama's going to let her out and give her a ship. That would explain why he was willing (if still sad) to leave her. Even if he doesn't know all the exact details it shows his faith in Kara and her destiny and works really well for that reason. Kara's face falling after her initial 'yeah, well...' broke my heart. She was still scared, and Lee looked like he wanted to stay and comfort her.

They hang on to each other's hand for THIRTY-SIX SECONDS. Hee! That's a really long time. :D

To me it seemed even more obvious in this version that Lee was looking for an excuse to stay/turn back/kiss Kara. I still love that Kara called out to him, and the line about going the wrong way was so *her*.

While I liked the simplicity of 'I believe you' in the short version (and kudos for it being an elegant way to cut that scene down, if they *had* to cut it down), I preferred the line 'you'll make them believe you'. It still displayed Lee's utter faith in Kara, but it goes further and resonates well with his 'we both know that's a lie' line. The subtext of both is that nothing will ever stop Kara--she's his beacon and she's the fleet's beacon and he knows that she can trump all the odds.

He gave her the Aurora statuette!!! *SQUEEEEEE* That's definitely my favourite addition to the scene. Lee + meaningful inanimate objects = happy!Bop

And he got in a little snark about Adama. Heh heh heh. Of course, the thing is, I think the statuette really DID mean a lot to Lee, and him giving it to Kara and going off without anything from either his dad or Kara... that gives me butterflies in my stomach for him. Lee needs his talismans. But I think he realised Kara needed something more. He wanted to give her reassurance so BADLY, and he offers her his words, his faith (in her) and his kisses but it's not enough.

I love the way Kara can't really look at him directly even though their hands are wrapped around the statue, and the way she whispers 'ok'. Lee keeps staring at her until she looks back though and she's so vulnerable and open in her expression.

Oh, and her little face crumples when he leaves! *breaks*

That scene was scrummy. If the rest of season 4 turns out to be as depressy and nonsensical as looks likely, I shall end my personal BSG canon here. :D
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brokenmnemonic: Kissbrokenmnemonic on October 8th, 2008 07:39 am (UTC)
What does Lee know? His 'we both know that's a lie' line could mean he knows that Adama's going to let her out and give her a ship.
Wait til the hosebeasts interpret the scene to mean that Lee presumed Kara was going to be airlocked and couldn't even be bothered to look at her as he left, just out of sheer contrariness ;)

Given my relationship with canon, much though I'd like to accept this scene as a part of it, I can't. The editors made this scene not exist. (But hey, give us some more of that Baltar!Harem sex stuff, because that/s quality essential plot stuff).

I think in another time and place I'd have ended up writing the followup scene to this in my head. Ah well.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Karabop_radar on October 8th, 2008 07:43 am (UTC)
My respect for the writers/editors faltered a long time ago. I have no problem revising my/their canon in my own head! :) (Bop knows best! *rampany egotism*) Though truthfully, I like either version of the scene and it's just nice to have two versions of it.
brokenmnemonic: What am I saying?brokenmnemonic on October 8th, 2008 07:53 am (UTC)
It's nice that this deleted scene isn't like UBEx - it doesn't paint things in a completely different and contrary light, but instead feels like a level of richness added to existing canon.

The two different versions should make for more vidding flexibility - I'm intrigued what m_a_r_i_k_s will make of it, both emotionally and in vid terms.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Kara/Lee awesome sexybop_radar on October 8th, 2008 07:56 am (UTC)
Yup, there's good stuff for vidders. You don't know how much my fingers are itching to use the Aurora talisman in a vid now... it would have worked so well in Middleman where I drew a lot on other objects of signifcance to Lee.
brokenmnemonic: Glancebrokenmnemonic on October 8th, 2008 08:16 am (UTC)
It also adds an additional emotional layer to the way Kara was clutching that talisman throughout the Demetrius arc.
m_a_r_i_k_s: after-effectm_a_r_i_k_s on October 8th, 2008 09:46 am (UTC)
Oh yeah, this scene is even more meaningful and captivating in it's extended version. The Aurora thing is just wonderful - makes me remember how back in Season 1 Bill gave Kara his last stogy after she came back home safe and then she kept it only to give Lee in The Hand Of God after his mission. :)
Giving each other such talismans seem to have become Adama family tradition :) And I kinda like that Lee didn't know about the fact that his dad gave the stogy to Kara first, just as in this scene he has no clue how Bill got it and that he's closing the circle by giving it back to Kara.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Kara/Lee dreamybop_radar on October 8th, 2008 08:51 pm (UTC)
makes me remember how back in Season 1 Bill gave Kara his last stogy after she came back home safe and then she kept it only to give Lee in The Hand Of God after his mission. :).
Ohh! Yes! That's a perfect echo of that exchange. And you're right--Lee doesn't know the full significance in either scenario. That makes it purer somehow because it is not contrived.
katiebugs18katiebugs18 on October 8th, 2008 01:39 pm (UTC)
This was all kinds of schmoopy goodness. I loved it. I agree that the scene was elegantly cut. Though it's a shame because all those little touches that got lost really do enhance the scene in the best of ways. Kara's little nose scrunch was just heartbreakingly adorable. Lee's deep unquestionable faith in her is just devastating. I'm with you, I like the line we got but this is just a bit more powerful.

And Lee giving her Aurora just killed me. Yes it means something to him because Adama gave it to him (and where's that scene...and wouldn't it be a bit awkward all things considered?) but it's also bringing Aurora full circle, back to Kara, who it was given to in the first place. I don't know if we were suppose to take more from that than Lee simply giving her a gift but...well, I really kinda want to.

Despite my extreme reservations, my anger at the writers, my absolute fear at Ron's direction for the remainder of the show and the ridiculous break in the last season I can't help but have a tiny sliver of hope. I don't want to for fear of being devastated by what we get but...I just can't help it.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Kara/Lee separationbop_radar on October 8th, 2008 09:01 pm (UTC)
. I don't know if we were suppose to take more from that than Lee simply giving her a gift but...well, I really kinda want to.
If I trusted the writers these days I would. This scene seems like something from earlier canon in some ways... I'd love to see a Kara fan write about the significance for Kara. I can only guess, but I can see a few added emotional layers:
- Aurora is her role--heralding the new dawn--so it may have given her added faith in her calling
- it's a symbol of belief so it would remind her that someone had faith in her and that she should not give up herself
- She gave it away when she died and now she has it back--she gets her life back. That echoes what actually happened but I think emotionally it has added significance because Kara was in such a despairing place when Lee visited her. Getting it back and then getting the ship from Adama seems like the time she got her life back emotionally. (Not her whole life, perhaps, but at least her role as Aurora)

I'm sure for Kara, a believer, and someone who is so affected by omens and signs and destiny, having it returned to her this way would be a powerful encouraging sign. And it does tie Lee to her destiny a little more too... she returned to him when she came back from death and here he gives her hope (her own hope!).

Lee has always had this glowy view of Kara as larger than life and I think sometimes she's felt annoyed by that because she can't live up to it--but in her role as Aurora the fact that he reflects that view of her is *perfect* because it's the truth.

I've been trying to stomp all over my tiny sliver of hope because I fear what's coming so much. Not because I fear tragedy but because I fear badly written, annoying tragedy. ;) But I do know what you mean. Clearly despite everything I am still hopelessly eternally attached to pilots at the very least.