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18 August 2009 @ 08:34 pm
True Blood 2.09  
Still no time, so making this brief: NOT HAPPY, not happy at all.

Godric dies, predictably, in a laboured Jesus metaphor, giving Eric eternal angst. NOT HAPPY, and OHSOPOINTLESSOMG.

Sookie/Eric turns out to be founded on that most lametastic of devices--a magic bond? Because Sookie--who is evidently a complete dimwit (thx writers!) forgot that that would be the effect of drinking his blood? o.O LAME. LAME LAME LAME and completely chemistry-less. So not my kind of ship.

Why, WHY did the show kill off the character Eric actually had chemistry with? Why are they sticking to the books? *weeps*

Why isn't there more Lafayette? Why is Lafayette right about Tara not 'being in there'? Where are the characters I used to love? :(

And I'm really hating Sookie now, the way she is cast in these plots as the Specialest Girl in All The World with a bunch of men. I feel like Eric got character-raped when he didn't say 'back off, bitch' at Sookie's suggestion that she stay with Godric until the end. Why the hell would Eric or Godric want that?!! Arrrgh. I feel like the show is trying to make me swallow cough syrup. *gags*

At least Terry doesn't have rape trauma.

And Hoyt told his mum to f-off. That's something. *clings to the B-List characters*
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the whole slip shod shebang: lafayetteethrosdemon on August 18th, 2009 04:28 pm (UTC)

Yes, same.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: True Blood LaFayettebop_radar on August 18th, 2009 09:20 pm (UTC)
Lafayette needs to smack some bitches. Including the writing staff.
Laura ☂: trueblood: my loverstarryeyedmagic on August 18th, 2009 08:21 pm (UTC)
I didn't think it was pointless since this literally was the whole point of Godric. As awesome as he was, he was never meant to be more than just this. And I think the fact that they built up the character and made everyone love him only made the whole thing more effective.

My least favorite scene of the episode was Bill/Sookie in the hotel room because I knew it would confuse a couple of people.
Yes, having someone's blood does cause a slight sexual attraction. But only one time (even Eric's) would not make it more than slight. Let's face it, Sookie (as shown especially in the last episode) already found him at least somewhat attractive (it's ASkars, she's not asexual). Since she "hates" him the idea that what she had been trying to suppress would be heightened in any way would definitely bother her.

Also, yes annoyingly there is something about Sookie (AND BARRY AND JASON TOO BTW) that every supernatural person, but most especially vampires, finds a little...interesting. This definitely causes a slight attraction in a way so really, Sookie being slightly more attracted to Eric because of his blood almost evens the playing field a little bit.

While I do agree that Sookie's been portrayed mostly as a dimwit so far(haha) I don't think it was that she just "forgot" the sexual attraction effect. I just don't know if she knew. She definitely knew that drinking vampire blood causes a human to feel more horny but I don't recall them mentioning that it would be towards the person the blood was from more than anything.
I don't think Sookie really thought about the fact that when she first met Bill she drank about a gallon of his blood and that intensified things. So if you want to say that Sookie's attraction to Eric is based on the blood, well it's the same with Bill too.
But like I said, it's slight. It would only be intense if it was already there to begin with.

the way she is cast in these plots as the Specialest Girl in All The World with a bunch of men
LOL I don't disagree with that but this show is based on "The Sookie Stackhouse series". So it's always going to focus more on her than anyone else.
It's like you can't have Harry Potter not be the main character of the Harry Potter movies. That would be bizarre. lol
They've kind of screwed up her character, but I actually liked her more in this episode than I've liked her all season long. And I think putting her in more scenes with Eric can only be helpful since his sense of humor is easy to play off of and makes everyone he has scenes with seem more likable.

Why the hell would Eric or Godric want that?!!
I have the polar opposite view of that. Why in the world wouldn't they want that?!
No one wants to die alone. No one. Clearly, it meant a lot to Godric to know that at the end of it all someone was there with him.
Eric wanted to be there with Godric. But obviously he couldn't be because he'd die too. Knowing that someone would be there with Godric when he couldn't be, and especially that it was Sookie, I'm sure meant everything to him.

In fact, when I heard that they were making Godric Eric's maker my very FIRST thought was, "wow, I bet it'll mean the world to Eric that Sookie will be there with Godric when he dies."

Eric and Sookie still don't know each other that well. Anything they have (thus far, since it's just the beginning) isn't based on a whole lot of real connection yet.
But Sookie being there for Eric and for Godric, that was real. I loved that.
Godric even wants Eric/Sookie. He knows Eric inside and out, you think he's not aware of what's just starting? He knows how closed off Eric is. I'm sure it meant a lot to Godric to see that there was a possibility of Eric opening up to another person. He wants him to be happy.

lol you really didn't like naked ASkars and the whole dream sequence? Personally, my mind hasn't been blown that hard by a tv show in a LONG time. My whole flist seems to have reacted the same way too...

Godric was amazing, but he was only meant to be around for 3 episodes. He's not a main character. But the fact that everyone fell for him so hard I think only made the story more effective and touching.

Edited at 2009-08-18 08:25 pm (UTC)
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!bop_radar on August 18th, 2009 09:32 pm (UTC)
Well, this is clearly 'your thing' and it's not my thing. So we are going to see this differently (again!). Obviously I didn't have time to write a proper review of why I took issue with all these things, this was a reaction post. I don't have the time to write it up properly so even this reply will be brief but basically:

- By 'pointless' I meant that nothing was achieved by Godric's death. If he was so interested in human-vampire peace than why not stick around and achieve that? It seems that there was some inherent lameness in the entire construct of Godric, and the TV writers were happy to run with that. Of course, arguably Jesus himself was pointless, I'm not big on martyrs generally.

But only one time (even Eric's) would not make it more than slight
Sorry, that may be the take in the books, but evidently it's a Big Deal on the TV show. To me they're different 'verses.

I just don't know if she knew.
She knew he'd always know where she was--because she and Bill got that early on too. With Bill, she was already attracted to him. That, for me personally, makes a BIG difference. I'm not into ships that are ships because someone is biologically inclined to ship someone. That may not be how it is in the books but that's what the TV show is selling it as.

So it's always going to focus more on her than anyone else.
It's not the focus, it's the framing. I have times when I like Sookie well enough. I hated her this episode. If she actually hurried up and acted a bit more special, used her powers more, was more kickass, then it wouldn't be so bad. But right now all she does is hang around being a girlfriend... to every spare guy that needs one: Bill, Eric, Godric... Bored now. I hate the 'girl cries a man's tears for him' trope.

No one wants to die alone.
I disagree.

And no, I HATED the dream sequence. Icky! I am just praying it's not a real indication of what they're going to be like together because I was gagging the whole time. 'Twas the opposite of sexy and I felt like everything I loved about Eric was missing.

I'm often at odds with fandom. C'est la vie.
Laura ☂: trueblood: jesusstarryeyedmagic on August 19th, 2009 03:57 am (UTC)
I agree, Godric didn't have to kill himself, and I'm also not a fan of martyrs either but...that's what he was. Hate it, love it, whatever, that's what he was always meant to be. He was only around for 3 episodes. As great as his character was, the whole thing was more about about Eric and how it effected him honestly. Because Eric is a main character.

I think the book and the show are totally different verses as well. Some things are the same, but usually even when they are they get there in a different way. That's exciting for me and I encourage that. But sometimes certain scenes are written with a lot of holes and are not fully explained (like this one was) so it can be helpful to look at the original source material.
I'm not saying that Sookie having Eric's blood wasn't a big deal. It was. It was a huge deal in the books too.

She knew he'd always know where she was--because she and Bill got that early on too. With Bill, she was already attracted to him.
Yes, that's exactly what she said in the scene. I wasn't arguing against that at all. The only thing she stated not knowing is that having someone's blood would cause her to feel more sexually attracted to that vampire specifically. I don't think that was ever stated on the show before. So it's not like she just "forgot" that. haha but if I'm wrong please correct me, I just don't remember anything like that being said.

She knew Bill for about 5mins prior to having his blood. She thought he was hot. But she also thought that about Eric. I actually have a GIF of the first time she saw him, she was defintiely at least attracted a bit. lol plus it's kind of impossible not to be, I mean c'mon.
And she also knew Eric a little bit before the bullet-sucking (and I think was at least beginning to see another side of him). She can deny it all she wants, the way she was looking at him in 2.08...Eric/Sookie had way more of a basis before she had his blood than with Bill. She drank Bill's in the pilot! The same night she met him! And she had a ton of it.

I totally agree, if it was only the blood bond that would be beyond ridiculous and I wouldn't like it either. But I really don't think that's the case AT ALL. Books or not books, that was not what I took from the show. I don't think it was explained well and that's the only reason I'm thinking of the books.

LOL you're preaching to the choir about Sookie being annoying. I may have liked her in this episode, but I really couldn't stand her 90% of the time this season.
The thing about Sookie is that since I liked her so much in the books (and I did like her a bit in s1) I'm hoping that she'll improve. I can't just "give up" on the main character. And I just think Eric will help with her becoming more likable because he's an entertaining guy.

The way I interpret it, dream sequence!Eric wasn't meant to seem like real!Eric. That was Sookie's ideal version of him. The way his hair fell, he had no fangs (which he def would have had during a real scene), it was how she wanted to see him. The dialogue was meant to be a little cheesy since it was a dream. There were hints of the real!Eric in the dream, but it was like focusing only on the good and ignoring the bad entirely, which is only half of him. So when it really happens it could never be exactly like that.
But what I enjoyed the most was just the fact that he was naked period. LOL it was SOOOOO overdue it was crazy. Especially on this show.
And I also liked that Sookie just seemed more...carefree. Rather than obnoxious. It was a more likable version of her at least. She was just joking around like she actually did have a sense of humor (which we never see, haha).
Everyone senses chemistry differently I guess, I don't think it's hard to have some with ASkars. And there's just been so many boring/blah sex scenes on this show that it was nice for me to see one I actually enjoyed. (I'm ignoring Jessica/Hoyt and their adorableness because that was so short I don't think it counts).

But seriously, Eric could have been naked in bed with Andy's giant pig and I wouldn't have been gagging. haha.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: O Sanjaya...bop_radar on August 19th, 2009 04:32 am (UTC)
It's fab you're getting what you wanted (especially after Torchwood hurt you so!). I honestly am happy for you, and I realise that most of the fans of the show are probably over the moon right now. You have company!

I may not. And I may be the only one that doesn't see much chemistry at all between Sookie and Eric. Not none, but nothing near what Sookie has with other people (I think she had more with Sam than she's had with Eric) or Eric has with other people (he has WAY more with just about every moving object!). And I know you're going to say 'but she doesn't have to have it yet' and you are right but I felt the show pushed Eric/Sookie really hard in the last ep and it just... fell flat for me. That's not a great sign. Sorry. I'm not closed off to it, but I'm not converted. And showing me icky smooshy head!Eric (I agree it was Sookie's projected fantasy) had rather the opposite effect than it was intended to have. ;) But I am contrary and strange and you really shouldn't worry about my opinion!
Laura ☂: trueblood: BAMFstarryeyedmagic on August 19th, 2009 04:26 pm (UTC)
It is totally cool if you never do like Sookie/Eric, I mean we all like different things. That's what makes discussions more interesting too! But just...I'd hate to think that it was because you believe their relationship is based on one thing when I don't think that's true.

I realize that the books and the show are different but it's hard for me not to project my overwhelming love of book!Eric/Sookie onto the show. The books are pretty shitty (haha kind of on the same line as the show though) but I read all 9 of them because I felt like Eric made it totally worth it. And subsequently Eric/Sookie. So really, they represent the entire series for me.
It's kind of the most significant storyline of the whole thing. Not because it's my personal favorite, but because of the page-time devoted to it. It's a huge part in every book (besides the first one). I don't need them to copy what happens exactly, nor would I want them to...but I'd still want the characters to have the same essence. What's the point of adapting something at all if you don't remain at least true to the spirit of the original? That's all I want.

I thought it was interesting how in the dream sequence he was like "I used to think you had no sense of humor" and she was like "I thought you were a cold hearted bastard". LOL oh stating the obvious dream sequence dialogue, that's their problem in a nutshell.
But I feel like they've worked really hard this season to show that Eric has more to him than just that and is capable of love. But...what about Sookie's other side? HAHA we almost need a storyline to show that Sookie really is capable of being fun and awesome, because she's supposed to be. Her sense of humor is part of why I enjoyed her as a narrator.

One of my favorite things about them is how they seem to "get" each other. They get each other's jokes and they just have fun together.
And there are all these moments when Bill doesn't really "understand" what she's trying to say...but then Eric shows up and knows exactly what she means instantly.

This has nothing whatsoever to do with the blood bond. That is just one of the many things that both of them try to blame their feelings on. They both try and deny real feelings as much as they can, but it's always obvious that it's there. He always makes it clear how much he wants to have sex with her and wants her around, but love? It's not in his vocabulary. He hates that he has actual feelings for her. Hates it. And Eric is....Eric, so Sookie tries to pretend that she doesn't care, even though it's made very clear that she does.

And also, I saw some of the show first before I read the books. I read them at the beginning of this season actually and finished around the time 2.03 aired. Therefore in my head ASkars and Anna were Eric/Sookie while I was reading. I can't picture them any other way. So every bit of chemistry from the books translates (for me) because when I see them...I see what they already did in the books. All the build up is already there.

I agree that she had some chemistry with Sam, but my thing what that is that if she ends up with Sam it would just feel like she was settling (in both book and show verse). He's an incredible friend and a great guy, but it's just not...there for her as much as it should be.

Sorry, for rambling about Eric/Sookie, but I just wanted you to know why I like them. Because I wouldn't like them if it was based on just some stupid blood thing, just....no. I really don't think it will be about that. Plus, plot wise it's only after this point when they spend time together without her "hating" him, and it's just a totally different playful banter kind of dynamic.
lol but I'd probably like them on the show even if it was blood based, just because in whatever way possible she needs to get the heck away from Bill. I want to like the main character so THIS NEEDS TO STOP! lol because that pretty much sums up all their conversations. She needs something new to focus on.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Niccolobop_radar on August 20th, 2009 01:09 am (UTC)
It may or may not be based in one thing (that wasn't really what I was saying--I just think the TV show framed the blood thing as being a trigger) but I'm not going to suddenly convert to the ship no matter how much you tell me you love them. In fact, it's kind of having a reverse psychology effect on me... I also don't appreciate you character slamming Bill in my journal. I'm perfectly capable of taking the piss out of Bill on my own, but it seems very mean-spirited when it's from an Eric/Sookie fan to someone who prefers Bill/Sookie. You may hate Bill, but would you mind taking it somewhere else? Ta.
Laura ☂: bsg: puppystarryeyedmagic on August 20th, 2009 06:19 am (UTC)
Oh I wasn't really trying to convince you to like them, you either will or you won't on your own time. Like I said, that doesn't matter to me, everyone should have different opinions!

I just didn't want you to think that I would like something where people were just forced into their feelings. That would just be so...off and weird. Even if you never like Eric/Sookie I wouldn't want you to just have the wrong impression of them or me for liking them.

I definitely never meant anything to sound mean spirited, even towards Bill. I apologize if it came off that way, lol you can't convey tone well on the internet. I love to make fun of him, sure, but I wasn't trying to flat out slam him. All I meant about keeping Sookie away from Bill is that their relationship has kind of been scene after scene of the same thing, which I find pretty funny. I'd love to like Bill more, as well as Sookie, so I'd like to see both of them do something "new" whatever it may be.

lol I seriously never mean anything fandom-related in a mean spirited way. Ever. It's all for fun.
Unless we're talking about some really intense show I guess...but True Blood is mostly for the lulz anyway.

I'm really sorry it sounded like I was slamming Bill(I like him a bit and would really love to like him more). And I'm sorry it seemed like I was trying to force you to like something you don't, that wasn't my intention at all.
Call Me OneTrack: Kara readscallmeonetrack on August 19th, 2009 11:01 pm (UTC)

Sorry to butt in but "JASON TOO" does this mean what I think it means?! Because Sookie and Barry obviously share something in common....is it just latent in Jason?

(I haven't read past book 2). Thanks!!
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Old-fashioned storybop_radar on August 20th, 2009 01:04 am (UTC)
Would you mind replying privately to callmeonetrack's comment? I've already felt quite spoiled by your comments and would prefer not to be any further. Especially in case there are other non-spoiled peeps around. Ta!
Laura ☂: trueblood: askars bwstarryeyedmagic on August 20th, 2009 06:44 am (UTC)
Oh gosh, I'm sorry you felt like you were spoiled. I tried to keep my discussion focused on character traits we already know from the show, only adding that in the books that caused them to connect rather well and made for an interesting storyline. Who knows what will happpen on the show though!

I'm really sorry if you thought what I was saying was a spoiler, I'll definitely think more carefully in the future. lol I'm sitting here analyzing what I wrote trying to pick apart what we didn't already know from the show. I really hate being spoiled and I'd hate to think that I did that...is the fact that they connect well over their mutual sense of humor a spoiler? I figured everyone sensed that they'd be ones to deny feelings...
Call Me OneTrack: lafayette dancingcallmeonetrack on August 19th, 2009 11:09 pm (UTC)
Aw sorry you weren't feeling the new plot twists. Surprisingly I kind of was. In fact beginning with last week's episode, I felt the show really hit it's groove again. I think like S1, the last six or seven eps in the season they're really turning on the heat and hooking me in.

I wasn't expecting Godric death (I don't remember if it was in the book or not, but if so I'd forgotten) even though I'd commented on him possibly having a death wish. Too bad. I really liked him.

I actually, last ep, finally started feeling a little of the Eric charisma that everyone's been raving about. I still don't know that I find him especially sexy (although he was working the wifebeater) but his droll sense of humor was far more on display and that was very appealing. And I actually think Anna and Alex have WAY WAY more chemistry than Anna and Stephen (ironically).

I also thought it was clear that Eric couldn't stay because he'd immolate too, and he was just glad someone could be with Godric if he couldn't (I wish they hadn't made him cry at Godric's death...it felt over the top. I would have gotten it without the blood tears.)

Hoyt (and Jessica) continues to be excellent. Ha.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Aishwarya Raibop_radar on August 20th, 2009 01:01 am (UTC)
Hey girl! It's so nice to see you. I'm really flat about the show now, considering never posting about it again...

I've felt the Eric love a lot this season but I thought the wifebeater did him no favours and I was actually turned OFF by him in this ep. I find Anna and Stephen have heaps of chemistry but I feel incredibly alone in this opinion!

clear that Eric couldn't stay because he'd immolate too
Well, yeah, plus Godric commanded him! I didn't mind him crying but I really hated Sookie crying. She doesn't even KNOW Godric. It was presumptuous and self-entitled and I hated it even if Godric didn't care.

Hoyt/Jessica is the only reason I continue to watch.

Hey, while I've got you... I have been dithering over this vid feedbacking thing we talked about doing. How do we do it? I was all 'yay let's do that!' and then I felt nervous. What are your thoughts?
Call Me OneTrack: viddingcallmeonetrack on August 20th, 2009 01:31 am (UTC)
Hey girl!

Yeah I definitely feel the Eric love more this season as a whole. I'm glad they finally made him interesting, but I miss more screen time with Sam, Lafayette and even Jason.

Hmm, will you hate me if I take a pass on the vid feedbacking thing? I'm having trouble mustering any deep level vid thinking about now. I'm not sure why that is. I watched a bunch of vividcon vids and although I really enjoyed them it was a struggle to even come up with detailed comments for the ones I loved. Sigh. I fear my vid mojo all around is just kind of out to lunch at the moment. :( Sorry friend.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: True Blood LaFayettebop_radar on August 20th, 2009 03:11 am (UTC)
I won't mind at all, hon! I kind of had brain!fail as well on it. *hugs* It's hard work, that's the truth. Just know I'm open to any crit any time but don't feel you have to. And I too find my vidding mojo or my feedbacking mojo come and go. They can't always be compelled to act on commad! No biggie.

TB-wise, I miss the old season too. :( Especially Lafayette time!