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12 September 2009 @ 10:13 am
Vid chats plan: topics  
Thank you to everyone who voted and offered feedback about vidding chats. You are still welcome to do so here as it's all useful feedback. However, I've settled on a plan for now.

I'm opting not to set up a comm for now based largely on:
- people saying they would be as likely to participate wherever it was held
- me having a terrible track record with comms
- a few people saying they'd be more hesitant or quiet in comms.
Instead, I'm going to co-ordinate them from here but people will host in their own journals. Thank you to the people who said they might be willing to host (in the poll): I'm hoping you will be as willing to do so in your own journals as in a comm. Either way, I will put a post up about hosting sign-ups later this weekend.

Which brings us to topics.
OK, so to date we have had ones on:
- Planning vids
- First vids
- Defining vid genres and narrative styles (another one of my hopelessly conflate-y posts!)
- Lyrics and literalism
- Betaing
- A kind of half-chat on effects and personal blocks (which really just shows that I'm not the person to host effects-related chats!)
- Commenting/feedback.

The most popular topic area in the recent poll was 'general topics related to the creative process', which is great to know. Other topic areas were fairly evenly split, with vid genres, interaction and technical topics the next three most popular. Slightly more than half of you wanted chats for more experienced vidders, with the rest wanting them for newbies. I think what this tells me is that broadening the scope of chats and having people of different experience levels host them really is the right way to go. Some chats will be of more interest to some groups than others.

So now to getting a bit more specific... please drop off in the comments here any and all suggestions for new topics. What would you most like to see? Doesn't matter how obscure or crazy sounding it is. Go for your life! This is your chance to influence the content. If you see someone else's idea that you think is cool--pipe up in support. For now, don't worry about who's hosting what, just go for your life with suggestions.
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the sundance kidmresundance on September 12th, 2009 03:20 am (UTC)
Narrative structure. I am a big fan of this - how do you structure your vids and why? Do you like a good, linear plot arc (beginning, middle, climax, end), or do you prefer more non-linear methods? Why? Do you think that certain methods of structing a vid narrative are better suited to some vids and not others? Etc.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Buffy Willow friends hugbop_radar on September 12th, 2009 04:37 am (UTC)
Cool! That was much what I wanted the one on vid structure/narrative to be, but it didn't work out so well thanks to me just kind of bumbling and conflating too much in one idea. However I'm very interested in this topic still myself and would love to see more on it!
Ferd: Vidding- insaneferdalump on September 12th, 2009 03:43 am (UTC)
Hmmm, I may have to give this a bit more thought, but off of the top of my head what about something like 'vidding misconceptions'? Or 'who do you vid for and why?' And maybe 'why did you start vidding?'

I've also had some kind of weird personal experiences with vids that I would like to see discussed by other vidders, but I'm not sure it's an exactly a broad subject to broach. I tend to do a lot of narrative style vid and create in a sense somewhat complete storylines amidst the length of the vid. But I've had a few experiences with seeing my vids interpreted into fan fiction--and it's tends to be something I have mixed feelings on. I would be curious to hear more talk on how people (other vidders) view vidding as a alternative to fan fiction and if the line that exists between the genre of vidding and that of fan fiction is blurred or solid. I mean, if someone 'takes' your story idea in a fan fic--it's a form of plagiarism and generally frowned upon. But if someone is 'inspired' by the story you created in a vid so much that they want to fill in the blanks with written words then it is sort of flattering. But is it a bit wrong, too? Does this happen a lot? Do you know what I mean? Is vidding the new style of fan fiction? Should it have the same rules of etiquette? Just something I've been curious about. :) Sorry I rambled.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lois red umbrellabop_radar on September 12th, 2009 04:42 am (UTC)
'who do you vid for and why?'
That one is number one on my personal list of topics I want to see! :) Audience! Yes!

Your other suggestions are great too! I don't think the topics all have to be broad. I think it's good to have some like that (like 'why did you start vidding?) which all vidders can talk about, but I am also totally fine with the idea that some chats will be of interest to a smaller number... so thanks for raising that suggestion. The relationship between vidding and fanfiction: that seems like a really interesting idea to explore! While I don't have much first-hand experience to share on that I think it would be a chat I'd be very interested in reading!
rhoboatrhoboat on September 12th, 2009 04:58 am (UTC)
Musicality. It's a word I've been seeing a lot lately, so I'd love to hear more from other people on the subject. What do you think makes for good timing and phrasing? How do vidders feel about using flashy effects and cutting on the beats versus focusing on internal motion within a clip? How about creating motion with zooms or speeding up/slowing down clips to the music? What about using different types of transitions? Do you feel that you're more of an intuitive vidder when it comes to music use or do you find that you have to think about your editing in a methodical manner?

Basically, I'd love to see what people define as good musicality in vidding.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Flowersbop_radar on September 12th, 2009 05:09 am (UTC)
Ohhh, nice! :) Thanks for fleshing that out with some extra questions too. Great idea!
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!bop_radar on September 12th, 2009 07:07 am (UTC)
Commenting to my own post with the main ideas I have for chats:

Audience: who do you vid for? why? how does that change how you vid? what happens when your audience doesn't react the way you expect or the vid attracts attention from an audience you didn't expect? how do you signal who your vid is for?

Colour: what do you do with it? how much time do you spend on it? how important do you think it is? what helped you with it? how do you deal with mixing source with very different colour schemes? etc

Subconscious intent/Intuitive vidding: If you're an intuitive vidder how do you handle the creative process? What is the experience like? How do you deal with the frustrations when it doesn't all come together? how do you keep control of a clear vision while also letting things develop organically? Is there any way to get faster at this? :p (The slowness of my own creative insights is the biggest hurdle for me as a vidder right now so this would be a very self-serving topic!) Also would want to explore what it's like for viewers of intuitive vids and how you feel about them, and especially how you can find things in vids that the vidder may not have even fully articulated consciously to themselves.

Concrit It'd be a difficult one to have but I feel like it might be useful to discuss? How/where/when is concrit allowed? What positive experiences have people had with it? (I feel like the reasons against concrit and descriptions of bad concrit are discussed a lot and the danger is this chat would turn into a rehashing of that, but perhaps someone could pull it off?)

Effects for dummies What was the first effect you learned? Why did you use it? How did you learn it? What are your favourite/most used effects? Why? How do you know you need them?

Song choice How do you choose songs? Why do you choose them? What has let you down in a song? What do people mean by good song choice?

Multifandom vidding How do you create coherence out of diverse source? What choices do you make? Are there any intuitive/organic multifandom vidders and if so how do they navigate through all the material?

Creative growth When/how/why do you feel you grew most as a vidder? What contributed to that? Do you feel like you hit plateaus? What do you do when you do? Is continuing to 'grow' even important to you? What does 'growth' mean to you?

I'll be back with more over time, I imageine. ;)
Amy: scc: cameronsuch_heights on September 12th, 2009 12:23 pm (UTC)
Ooh, I'll second multifandom vidding as a topic, that would be great.
here's luck: viddingheresluck on September 12th, 2009 01:51 pm (UTC)
I'll be back at some point with suggestions, but just wanted to say that I *love* the creative growth topic.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Kittenbop_radar on September 13th, 2009 05:51 am (UTC)
Vidding cat!!!!
laurashapiro on September 12th, 2009 02:25 pm (UTC)
Creative growth! Yes, please!

And this is related, but I'm not sure if it's a separate topic or can be bundled into creative growth but: pushing your own boundaries. What motivates you to try something new? What motivates you to take risks (or not)? Are you willing to move out of your comfort zone?

I see this being pretty open-ended, because it could apply to all sorts of things -- technique, vid subject matter, targeting different audiences, etc.

Also, what about a discussion on promoting vids? How do you get them out to the audiences you're trying to reach? What are your distribution channels, and how do they work for/against you? What are the benefits/disadvantages of posting on YouTube vs. a smaller streaming site vs. LJ vs. a posting board? And what do you say about your vid when you post it? Long notes, a short summary, something in between? Graphics or no graphics? etc.

Edited at 2009-09-12 02:31 pm (UTC)
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: The Fallbop_radar on September 13th, 2009 05:53 am (UTC)
Yay, that's a great add-on to creative growth. I think it could be linked or included, yes. As you say, it's open-ended and hopefully that's what would make the conversation interesting.

Promoting vids! Cool. Another one for the list. Thanks!
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K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!bop_radar on September 13th, 2009 05:54 am (UTC)
Yup, that one's a great one. I'd love a clearer understanding. I'm constantly bumping into new genre names and thinking 'what the hell is that?' or realising that what *I* call by a certain name other people call something completely different. Thanks!
one mans murder scene is another's champagne partysuckmyglock on September 12th, 2009 05:09 pm (UTC)
I would quite like to talk about external source, as in stock footage or just any footage not from the show you're vidding. Where do you get it from? When do you make the decision to use it? Are there any times when you feel you shouldn't have used external source and stuck to things internally? What are your best and worst experiences and results with external source?
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!bop_radar on September 13th, 2009 05:56 am (UTC)
Oh, great idea! I'm at a total loss about it so would love to hear what people have to say on the subject.
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K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!bop_radar on September 13th, 2009 10:00 am (UTC)
I love it! :) I'd be very happy to host that. And actually co-hosting, or having a buddy to field comments is something I'm going to suggest for other hosters too. The idea of exploring effects visualisation with some practical input sounds brilliant. Thank you!
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!bop_radar on September 22nd, 2009 11:01 pm (UTC)
Hi there! Do you have any preference for dates for this? I'm lining up a schedule for October/November at this stage. The only weekend I definitely can't manage is the first one in October. Perhaps 24/25 Oct or 7/8 Nov? If that's too soon, no problem, just let me know.
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K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!bop_radar on September 28th, 2009 11:23 pm (UTC)
Fab, thanks! See you then!
laurashapiro on September 17th, 2009 03:20 pm (UTC)
Oh god yes please.
acridnymacridnym on September 17th, 2009 10:51 am (UTC)
Motion. Timing. Meta. Avisynth. Seconding: vids and fanfiction; why do you vid?; color; song choice. On the flip side: source choice! Because my favorite shows/movies/characters aren’t necessarily the ones I get ideas for and I don't think I'm the only who vids to fix what the writers screwed up.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!bop_radar on September 17th, 2009 11:00 am (UTC)
Thanks for the extra topics! Avisynth would have to be hosted by someone other than me since I'm a Mac girl. :

Source choice is a good one!
Nosbloodypoetry on September 17th, 2009 02:40 pm (UTC)
I keep posting a comment somehow in someone else's comment. LJ! *shakes fist* Sorry for the spam.

Aspect Ratio. Why does it hate us so, so very much, and why can we never remember how to fix it? Heh

Also, when are the effects just over doing it? I feel we are kinda moving into a vidding trend where the effects are the point of the video, not the sprinkles on top. Is this a bad thing? Or is it just growth?
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!bop_radar on September 19th, 2009 02:06 am (UTC)
Aspect Ratio! :D Yes!

Good ideas, thank you for suggesting them!
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!bop_radar on October 26th, 2009 09:00 pm (UTC)
From akemi42
1. Vidding for a small fandom and appreciating vids in fandoms you don't participate in

2. Concrit for vids: how to give and solicit feedback, why we don't get as much as fic writers and fan artists

3. Legal issues in vidding: guidelines for fair use, using disclaimers in vids, responding to takedowns (since I am an IP lawyer I love this topic but I know it might be dry for others)

4. Vidding tech: which programs do you use, why, did you ever contemplate switching

Edited at 2009-10-26 09:00 pm (UTC)