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30 September 2009 @ 08:15 am
Dollhouse, Community, books  
To the many people who told me to suck it up and watch Dollhouse... thanks! I actually enjoyed that ep as much as I've enjoyed any episode of Dollhouse. This feels weird. I don't usually talk about Dollhouse! But anyway... thank god someone spoiled me that Jamie's character wasn't knowingly a client because I don't think I could have got through the sex scene (still INSANELY ick thanks to Paul perving) if I'd thought he was indulging in some weird marital sex kink. And yes, Jamie was great! I had no problems with his character at all. I guess that just goes to show how much I hate Paul. Any enemy of Paul's? Even violent weapons-trading ones? Easy to sympathise with! ;) (ok, not quite, but almost...)

Much more surprising but no less welcome was the fact that for the first time ever I found a Dollhouse character sympathetic! \o/ It's a breakthrough moment. Thing is, I've never bothered to remember her name. The doctor chick played by the girl that played Fred? Anyway her. I'd been really unhappy with her deciding to remain a doll but this episode explored why really well and I loved seeing someone actually go crazy in response to the discovery--for the first time ever it approximated (ok, still in a very TV-cheesy, toned down way) the psychological devastation that would result. Also, she can torture Topher any time she wants. Something with knives and hot pokers would have been more to my taste, but I'll take rats if it's all I can get. I wish she'd decided to nuke the place rather than drive off into the sunlight, but again, I'll take what I can get, which is more than most episodes offer me. Really nice acting by that chick too and some really good lines.

I do feel that showing what happened with Whisky (I'll just call her that) kind of undermines Paul and Echo's grand plan to free everyone (while colluding)... but I'm sure Joss will magically come up with some way that makes it possible to free the dolls WITHOUT them all having mental breakdowns. Alas, I will at that point find the show reductive again. :-/ Still, I got half an ep's worth of interesting. And I felt the episode had quite a lot of suspense. And I just might have to keep watching now because I want to see if there's any more sympathetic moments and in the vain hope that Paul doesn't get his happy ever after. Damn you, Joss! *shakes fist at him*

In other news, I watched the first episode of Community and am completely charmed! It was FUNNY! *blinks* Sorry, guys, but I'm not used to actually laughing at US tv. Well, not at intentionally funny US TV. I laugh at dear Smallville all the time. But Community was actually funny! Wow! I'm so ditching Glee and watching Community instead. Community was everything Glee is not: charming, witty, and with a cast of characters I actually like! Seriously, I think I liked everyone! Except maybe Annie because I find it hard to relate to driven characters... but I'm prepared to believe they could win me over on her too! Love the premise, love the lead character. I love that he's an intelligent habitual liar! And lazy! LOL. I relate to that more than I should admit. The line about intelligence meaning that you don't actually have to work at life? Really hooked me in. And I love how he PWND everyone with the simplest pop psych of all time! LOL. It's true. People are so easy. :p And cute pun for his name? 'Winger'? Hee.

Love the support cast. Lead chick has balls, Abed is adorable and his film refs were teh cute, Shirley is awesome (I so want to see her slam someone's head in a jukebox!) and old dude loltasticly accurate to some people I've encountered in real life. I just hope it sustains itself beyond the pilot.

And I've been reading! Joining the BSG crowd in reading Hunger Games (thanks, Tara!). First up, the book was very entertaining and I'm totally hooked on the series. Katniss is a great lead character, definitely. The premise is a bit of a stretch but it's page-turning-ly written enough that I just went with it and it worked out well. So yay! Shipper-wise though, I think I'm on the fence. I don't really feel like we got to know Gale at all. It was cool that he's anti-Capitol but that was only really an informed (not demonstrated) attributed, and he was otherwise largely defined by being in love with (oblivious) Katniss. That... doesn't do a lot for me. I felt like we got to know Peeta a whole lot more, and I found the author's use of Katniss's viewpoint actually really hooked me into Peeta because it was so obvious that Katniss didn't 'get' him. Since he was a lot more active in this story, definitely got sucked into their romance. Though even then I think I held back a little bit from shipping because it was totally clear that Katniss didn't care deeply about him. I definitely wished she would by the end of the book though! And I felt it was a pretty ouchy ending. Going forward, I honestly don't know who I'll ship. Unless they give Gale some actual 'page' time and proper characterisation, probably Peeta/Katniss.

I actually felt the Lee-like qualities were pretty evenly split between Peeta and Gale. Yeah, Gale's the hunting buddy but we didn't get to see a lot of that, and while Peeta may not be Katniss's equal at hunting, I did feel there was equality in their relationship in other ways. Peeta was smart, he protected her by risking himself with the Career Tributes... I liked the 'together even when they seem like they're on opposite sides' vibe going on there. Also, Peeta's capacity for self-sacrifice and his little moments of compassion and tenderness for Katniss, as well as his unrequited love, totally felt Lee-ish. Sorry, Tara!

As I say, I just feel I didn't get to know Gale at all.

Anyway, good fun, and I look forward to more. And now I can go catch up on my f'list's posts on the subject! ;)
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K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lee smilebop_radar on September 29th, 2009 11:25 pm (UTC)
he knows he's probably going to die, but he doesn't want to lose himself, what makes him Peeta.
OMG YES! That was so Lee, wasn't it?! My heart thumped a little bit! And the degree to which Kara, sorry Katniss :p, was totally blind to him also felt very Lee/Kara. I loved how self-contained he was in the training as well. And the understatement in a lot of his lines. I can feel his emotions seething beneath the surface but he doesn't scream them out there. That really hooked me in.

Heh, yeah, I totally wanted Jamie to lob bombs at him. And in the fist fight I was all 'go thump him! WOOOOOOT!' Ah, Dollhouse, bringing out the violent and making Bop like killers...
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K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Batgirlbop_radar on October 17th, 2009 05:19 am (UTC)
I felt like we barely knew Gale at all in the first book.
Totally!!! He was a three line character sketch!

Have you read Catching Fire yet? It's lovely too!
I haven't... I need to get hold of a copy. Actually, let me go do that now...
Fleegull: Troll Tollfleegull on September 29th, 2009 11:28 pm (UTC)
The doctor is played by Amy Acker and I really like her and not just because she's a former ballerina! Her character at least gave me someone I could give some sympathy to because of course she would want to live, no matter how selfish the circumstances are. I can't sympathize with Echo since I have no idea who she is other than a doll who has some self awareness and wants to free the other dolls and that's not enough to go on.

If you want to howl at American television, I can always recommend It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia but then again, I like my comedy nasty.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: The Fall hopebop_radar on September 29th, 2009 11:38 pm (UTC)
Amy Acker, that's it! Joss has a thing for former ballerinas, doesn't he? ;)

gave me someone I could give some sympathy to because of course she would want to live, no matter how selfish the circumstances are
Yes! Totally! I finally found the characterisation of someone on the show to be totally comprehensible and very human (irony!). I really fell for her, and I found Amy's performance in this episode mesmerising.

ITA re. Echo--I just have no clue about her except that I find her naive. But then is that just because she's a doll? I just have nothing to hang anything on with the other dolls.

Ohh, ok... I've never seen that!
chatchien: Anna Netrebkochatchien on September 30th, 2009 12:28 am (UTC)
I was very unhappy with this episode of Dollhouse. Except for the fight between Echo/Caroline and her pseudo-hubby, this was a bore. But I wasn't a BSG watcher, so I can understand your eagerness to see a favorite actor from that show. If Mr. Welling showed up as a guest star on Dollhouse, I would be front and center in my TV line of sight.

I find XFBI Agent Ballard to be such a CREEP. And now he is Echo's Personal Creep.

And Topher is having a Guilty Conscience? Again, not believeable. Not for him.

Whiskey was the first one to leave the Dollhouse when Echo freed everyone back in Episode 6---so her refusal at first to leave? Nope.

I just don't see any tension or drama for the second Season presented in this episode. In Season 1, we had Echo's dawning awareness, XFBI Agent Ballard's unhealthy obsession with the Dollhouse, and Madame DeWitt's betrayals and machinations and the traitor within the Dollhouse. There's nothing here now. Finding Caroline? I don't really care and it's not very exciting.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Blair yelloqbop_radar on September 30th, 2009 12:34 am (UTC)
Actually what I liked about this episode had very little to do with Jamie being in it. I pretty much hated the whole of Season 1 and didn't find it suspenseful at all. I liked this episode a bit. I agree with you totally on Ballard and Topher--both ick me out massively. Were we meant to think Topher felt guilty?! HA! I missed that nuance.

I guess the big difference between what you're describing and what I'm describing is that I never thought there was ANY suspense in the show at all. Now I enjoyed one character a little bit... so the suspense for me is whether that will happen again. ;) It's quite clear the overall plot won't do anything for me.
wisteria: bsg - jamie - L&O promowisteria_ on September 30th, 2009 02:48 am (UTC)
It really was fun to see Jamie playing a bad guy for once, even if he was quite awful in parts! Aside from him, the others are too big of a problem. I can appreciate some of their conflicts on an intellectual level, yet I have no emotional connection to them that would make me really care about what's happening.

I liked your comments on Community. I also really enjoyed the pilot, though the second episode wasn't as laugh-aloud funny as the first. Definitely willing to see where it goes, though.

And yay for Hunger Games! Good point about how POV plays into the relationships. It seems like Katniss has almost idealized Gale, which makes the book feel more pro-Kat/Gale than I suspect their relationship would be in reality. But, as you said, the real problem there is that he's just so absent for most of the book that I didn't get a strong sense of who he is or why they should be together -- I'm not opposed to the 'ship, just far from sold on it yet. As for Peeta... yeah, she doesn't appear to care deeply for him, but I get some vibes that she's starting to fall for him despite herself. Whether this means he's indeed the better choice remains to be seen.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Kara/Lee plottingbop_radar on September 30th, 2009 03:46 am (UTC)
I had zero emotional connection with anyone until this ep. That's why feeling something for Whiskey was so exciting for me!

Yeah, I wonder if Katniss has idealised Gale... interesting point. I had concluded it was just poorly written, but giving the benefit of the doubt that could have been what the author was trying to convey. I did have moments where I felt like Katniss was falling for Peeta--that really helped nudge me towards shipping them. But I'm so wary of getting heartbroken. ;) And in the first book anyway I just don't know if I've seen the full picture... it will be interesting to see where it goes!
The First Evil: Lee - Smirk - Dianora2asta77 on September 30th, 2009 03:22 am (UTC)
.. but I'm sure Joss will magically come up with some way that makes it possible to free the dolls WITHOUT them all having mental breakdowns.

I doubt he'll have the time. The ratings for the season premiere were terrible. My prediction, before the season even began, was that FOX would allow him to film 13 episodes, burn them off on Fridays, and then make a profit on the DVD sales.

Martin not being a client made the arms dealer to terrorists slightly less despicable ;), but having Paul be the client, using Echo to take down a guy he has some unexplained obsession with, only made him more unlikeable.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lollie yogabop_radar on September 30th, 2009 03:42 am (UTC)
Yeah, who knew Paul could become MORE unlikeable?! o.O
indigo419: KL snow timeindigo419 on September 30th, 2009 03:38 am (UTC)
In the words of the great elly427: Team Peeta whooooooo!! :D

And ha to Jamie's character beating up on Tahmoh's - I think both Jamie and Joss were on record as saying that that sealed the deal for Jamie to do the guest spot. *g*
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lee smilebop_radar on September 30th, 2009 03:43 am (UTC)
\o/ Teeaaaaam Peeeeeeeeeta! :D

Hahaha, I'm going to fanwank that Jamie dislikes Paul as much as I do. :p Even though I know really it's coz he wanted to spar Tahmoh again. ;)
elly: hunger games [ mocking jay ]elly427 on September 30th, 2009 06:04 am (UTC)
Peeta's capacity for self-sacrifice and his little moments of compassion and tenderness for Katniss, as well as his unrequited love, totally felt Lee-ish.

And that's exactly what I love about Peeta (and yes, makes him Lee-ish in my eyes.) He's just - gah. How terrible for him, and how smart to come up with the whole in-love business.

I don't know how I'll wait for the third book.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: books!!bop_radar on September 30th, 2009 08:45 am (UTC)
Ohh, stylish icon! He was definitely smart--and I love how understated his smart was as well. He just went about it and didn't talk about it directly--and then of course he kind of got played. All through the Games I think he didn't expect to survive but he still tried to do the smartest thing. It's going to be tough for Gale to seem as interesting as that to me but I'm trying to reserve judgement til I read the second book.

And wow, I could be waiting for TWO book 3s soon... I've read books 1 and 2 of the Chaos Walking series by Patrick Ness recently too (BRILLIANT, highly recommend!) and I'm going to be queuing at the bookshop when book 3 comes out of it.
Katemskatej on September 30th, 2009 07:02 am (UTC)
Haven't seen the second episode of Community yet but I absolutely adored the first. I would also recommend Modern Family - that made me laugh so much.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!bop_radar on September 30th, 2009 08:50 am (UTC)
Just watched the second and it was more low-key but still funny. Will definitely check out Modern Family too! :)
darenothope: [arashi]darenothope on September 30th, 2009 12:48 pm (UTC)
I don't like Paul either. I just don't.

I love Community <3. And if you like Joel McHale you should watch him on The Soup (an E channel clip show thing. He's pretty funny in that too).
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: DW Sally Sparrowbop_radar on September 30th, 2009 10:04 pm (UTC)
Paul's a creep. If his stalkery savior fantasy with Echo wasn't enough, his treatment of Mellie definitely put me off. :(

Thanks for the tip! I rewatched Community 101 and 102 last night--clearly I'm hooked! He manages to play a dislikeable character so likeably! *impressed*
daybreak777: daybreak mountains-no namedaybreak777 on October 12th, 2009 01:11 am (UTC)
Hee, this is so funny. I finally watched this season's Dollhouse eps and I like Paul! Surprised me too. :-) And Jamie's character scared me to death! Of course. You and I are always like polar opposites in characters. :-) That's very comforting and familiar in a way. You can read my post to see why I like Paul.

Also, she can torture Topher any time she wants.
Total agreement. Amy Acker is the bomb. Oh, and about Topher, have you see Epitaph One? After the Itty Thon, that ep got me started. A little. I don't know if I'll keep watching this show. But yes, more with the torture of Topher, plz.

And did you see the babyfic ep? That was my favorite. :-) It's not a bad little show. It just really, really needs to address its own issues. And soon.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!bop_radar on October 13th, 2009 09:16 pm (UTC)
HAA. Oh, DB! I can't believe you like Paul! Wow. That's... my depth of hate for him approaches Anders-like levels. In fact... hmm... Paul is not un-Anders-like. *reflects*

I did like the babyfic ep though!! For a brief week there I thought Dollhouse might have hooked me! But then the next week was back to the same old shit. :(( I wish I could believe it would address its issues. I really wish it.

I have seen every ep, so yes, Epitaph One, but I did not love it the way everyone loved it. It didn't redeem the show for me--I need more than that, unfortunately. It was one of the better eps though.

And yeah, I'm not really here. Well, I'm here, but I'm hiding. Email me if you need though! :)