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19 November 2006 @ 11:51 pm
Battlestar Galactica 3.08 Hero  

What a fascinating episode! I thought it was very suspenseful and while it charted a lot of territory very quickly, there were some standout moments from many of my favourite characters. And I was also squeeful to see:
- Starbuck and Kat working together
- Helo as 2IC (I'm not sure I want Tigh to go back to that position, ever)
- Gaeta in the control room, accepted again--yay!

I loved the revelations about the black ops mission in Adama's past because it made so much click into place where Adama was concerned. I always wondered why he seemed so unsurprised by the Cylon attack. And while I do think it was in part his military training/demeanour, it also fits if he had (consciously or subconsciously) feared repercussions from having crossed the Armistice Line. It also fits with the fact that his willingness to hold dialogue with the Cylons, and even with the fact that he clued on so quickly that they'd taken human form--if he was involved in black ops before the strikes and knew the theories that they had retreated for so long in order to come back in strength, he would have been more open to the idea that others without that background. And it also makes clear that at one level Adama never stopped fighting a war--he's been fighting it all his life. There was no real peace for him--only the calm before the storm.

The revelation that Adama had shot him down was convincing to me--we know that Adama is capable of making extremely tough calls. As a commander that's his strength. However,

I was relieved that Lee was in this episode--I thought for a while he wouldn't be. But I loved the scene between him and Adama. For starters, I was delighted that Adama told his son the truth--that it was Lee he confessed to. It was clear that Lee knew nothing about the black ops mission before this conversation and it made for a very powerful scene to watch him struggle with the implications of what Adama told him. I thought Lee's reaction to the mission's objective (discovering the likelihood of a Cylon strike) particularly well done. It seems that one of the 'truths' that Lee (and others, presumably) have clung to following the strikes, is that they couldn't have been anticipated, and to have this truth challenged at all shakes him up. The silences between father and son in the past have been great--there was a lot for Lee to come to terms with in that conversation, even before Adama explains the nature of his mission was to go beyond the Armistice Line. Lee understands the implications of that immediately, and his demeanour implies it's almost more than he can bear to take in. Father and son played so well in that scene together because of their similarities--Lee exploring the implications and rationalising it to himself, an echo of Adama's own emotions from the past. But Adama's ready to face the truth and his own culpability, while Lee's still struggling to come to terms with it. He's angry about it, but he no longer hates his father, and so he tries to give him a way out--the usual 'you followed orders' line. But Lee knows as well as his father that that won't wash. Lee treads that line every day, deciding to follow orders or not, and facing the consequences of the decisions he's made, whether under someone else's orders or not. Lee sounded so fragile, clinging to a thread of hope when he said 'that was the ... military. you were one mission, you were one man'. And that made Adama's 'it only takes one' line so much more powerful.

I loved the glance between them when Adama looked up after saying that--he can hardly face his son and the reproach that he must see in his face. But Lee's begging his father not to do this, not to take that burden on, because it's too much to bear. And it's Lee that's left struggling with it as Adama walks away. I also felt for Lee in the medal-pinning scene. Because if it was punishment for Adama, it was punishment for him too; he's carrying that burden as well now, not just because he's his father's son, but also because he recognises that in a different world that could have been him. The sense of responsibility is very, very real to him. (And hey, Lee Adama didn't enough on his shoulders! No. MORE angst!)

Roslin is made of awesome and her interaction with Adama in this episode was brilliant. I loved that she saw it was a cover story in a second. She knows him so well. And her unimpressed look when he said he would sort out his own mess was brilliant, as was her 'you have got to be kidding me' to his resignation. Because while Adama is right at one level--the ops mission did breach the ceasefire regulations--Roslin brings the big picture perspective. I love that she didn't buy into his guilt for a moment. And I adored her speech to him--that he's naive, that the Admiralty may have set him up, that many things contributed to provoking the Cylon attacks. I just wish that Lee could have heard it! He particularly needs to hear that message about 'it makes us feel like we have control--but we don't'. Responsibility-taking is good, but take it to an extreme and you cripple yourself with guilt, taking on the burden of things far beyond your control.

I was very interested to see him play such a key role in this episode as I had been having imaginative failure when it came to Tigh--I couldn't see a way for him to come back into the show. But of course it makes perfect sense to draw on his history with Adama. Despite everything, he's the one Adama goes to first to discuss Bulldog's return, but he's no longer on Adama's side. His own troubles have shaped his attitude and he tells Adama that 'he's going to find out'--this is a message Adama doesn't want to hear. He turns away from him, leaving Tigh to his blackness, his demons. I don't think Adama could have done anything more, but it nevertheless left Tigh in a position to tell Bulldog the truth. And it was interesting to see Bulldog visit him--both men so changed and scarred by their experiences. And yet Bulldog sees Tigh as the man he was.

I liked the final scene between Tigh and Adama, though frankly I was relieved that Tigh doesn't want his position back yet. Unburdoning himself to Adama will help bring the two men closer together again, so Tigh may be a less disruptive force now. He also showed a self-awareness about his condition and his destructive behaviour in this episode. But he's far from healthy and I don't think he should hold command any time soon.

Tigh is right in one thing--sometimes surviving is its own death sentence, and living on with the burden of guilt, of dark acts, and even of the unknown (to what degree did the black ops mission provoke the Cylons?) is painful.

Kara, my girl! I love that it was Kara who uncovered that it was a Cylon set up. I love that she was going over the tapes. It's a sign that she's getting back into performance mode as a pilot. But how fascinating that she went to Tigh! So she still sees him as a confidant. Even assuming that she tried to see Adama but he was busy with Roslin, it's obvious that the common ground between her and Tigh is still important. But how much does Kara know? Adama hasn't confided in her--did Tigh? If so, what were her feelings on it? And if neither did, what did she think the Cylons had to gain? That felt like a loose thread to me, but maybe I missed something.

The other scene that left me puzzled was the farewell between Adama and Bulldog. While I think he was a fascinating character and his story created a lot of suspense, I didn't real feel like I'd got a grip on his character, so that scene didn't do a lot for me.

The Cylons? Gaius? Three? I think I'll leave them for another day. It's interesting to watch the ongoing plot and it's clearly building towards something, but I don't have much to say on it at this point. I'm just watching the space.
Kate: Lee and Karamskatej on November 19th, 2006 01:52 pm (UTC)
I adored Roslin in this episode. She's one of my favourite ever female characters; she's not just intelligent, she's *wise*. I love her sense of humour, how perceptive she is, her incredible strength, and the way she understands Adama better than anyone else. She sort of understands *everyone* better than anyone else. She's an absolutely brilliant (and hot) woman.

Like you, I was also unsure how Tigh would be reintegrated, but it made sense, and the light at the end of the tunnel for him feels believable now, which is impressive. I love that Adama needs him and that Adama's the reason Tigh "left his room". Their bond is a deep one.

Lee finally plays a significant role! YAY! And he's looking *so* foxy again, which we like. When Adama cried in that scene (OMG) I burst into tears.

The other scene that left me puzzled was the farewell between Adama and Bulldog. While I think he was a fascinating character and his story created a lot of suspense, I didn't real feel like I'd got a grip on his character, so that scene didn't do a lot for me.

It didn't have much of an impact on me either, mostly because I wasn't sure what was going on. Where is Bulldog going? Is the pilot uniform significant? Is he going to be a pilot now? If so, will he come back to Galctica at some point? Also, it directly followed the scene where he tried to kill Adama, so it feels like we missed out on an important conversation. Unless they didn't talk after that and everything was just forgiven. I dunno...

The cylons confused me (as usual). Are Gaius, Six and Three all sleeping together now? That's what it looked like but I'm not sure I get it.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Adama Dear Livejournalbop_radar on November 19th, 2006 09:41 pm (UTC)
She's one of my favourite ever female characters; she's not just intelligent, she's *wise*.
She's one of mine too! It's so rare to see a female character written so well--and she's such a pleasure to watch. I loved her with her sleeves rolled up going through the boxes of archives, and I love her dry sense of humour. She's so tough now too--she's really come through the fire and is stronger for it--but she's not embittered to the point where she's lost compassion: it's more as if she's just surer of her own decisions than ever.

When Adama cried in that scene (OMG) I burst into tears.
*sniffs* Yup! And I wanted them to hug so bad. But I understand that Lee was still taking it all in. It's just that someone needed to give Adama a hug, damn it!

I love that Adama needs him and that Adama's the reason Tigh "left his room". Their bond is a deep one.
Yes, and a convincing one--I never feel like it's forced with those two. I don't feel like it's a conveniently written attribute at all--they really carry that connection convincingly.

so it feels like we missed out on an important conversation
*nods* Perhaps deliberately so? But my reaction was identical to yours--and in an episode that was otherwise very tightly suspenseful and well paced, this scene just confused me. As did the Cylons.

Are Gaius, Six and Three all sleeping together now? That's what it looked like but I'm not sure I get it.
Yeah, it looked like that. And Gaius is back among them, so it seems as if Three's attraction to him has been crucial in 'saving' him. Or was that all just projection? (I don't think so, but there's an outside chance.) And Three's off exploring some mystical rebirth process? Hmm. I'm reserving judgement until I see where this one goes...
(no subject) - bloodygoodgirl on November 19th, 2006 09:22 pm (UTC) (Expand)
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lee/Helobop_radar on November 19th, 2006 09:48 pm (UTC)
I always remember Tigh saying "Well aren't you full of suprises," cause it was such a somber speech but now we know he was thinking of the black ops mission and the events that lead him to Galactica in the first place.
Right! At the time that speech held so much emotional signficance for Lee too (remember him up in his dad's Viper listening?) He's going to think differently about it now--the emotional resonance will be (if possible) even stronger for him now. And thanks for reminding me of that line of Tigh's. It makes me wonder about his attitude to Adama all these years. They're such close friends, but Tigh really lashed out in that speech to Bulldog, and his words make sense of an undercurrent of disapproval--as if he sees/knows that Adama is a hypocrite in some ways. It's interesting that their friendship can sustain that because Adama agrees with him to some extent--he acknowledges that there are acts in his past that he's not proud of.

I've been ridiculously busy myself the last few days. Woe! :-( I hope your animation is going well. I will try and get onto our Plan soon, but I'm feeling pretty swamped. Will keep you posted!
blowjobs for jesus: bsg starbuck showing tummykristiinthedark on November 20th, 2006 09:29 pm (UTC)
You've said almost everything I was thinking while I watched it, and more, so I don't really have anything to add. Just that I enjoyed it, anxious to see where it's going, and...

mostly I'm just here to say HI! I've been busy, too, so I need to check in with my K every now and then. ;)
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Kara/Lee hey!bop_radar on November 20th, 2006 09:55 pm (UTC)
HELLO!!! *waves* Thank you for checking in with me! I'm going to come out of hibernation soon... I just got swamped with editing work over the weekend, but am fighting my way out from under it.

The good news is that supacat did a preliminary beta of my K/Leoben vid and said she LIKED it! *dies* This seems amazing given how big a K/Lee shipper she is. So yays! I am encouraged to persist, though she also directed me to revise the first chorus, so it's still going to take me another week or two. (Vidding = slow!) Anyway, wanted to let you know I am not neglecting it! How are you?
blowjobs for jesus: bsg kara leo 2kristiinthedark on November 20th, 2006 10:07 pm (UTC)
Yay! I am so happy you're enjoying the vidding (and I'm seriously not just saying that just because it's Kara/Leoben *g*) and I have faith that it will be cool and awesome. I can't wait to see it!

I'm doing good. Work is busy and hectic because of Thanksgiving madness, but not too bad overall. I keep postponing writing, which I know is gonna come back and bite me in the ass, but yet... I still keep postponing! We both just gotta keep hanging in there, I guess, and then happy fandom is waiting when he come out on the other side, yes? Yes.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Bamber yellowbop_radar on November 20th, 2006 10:16 pm (UTC)
Oh, Thanksgiving! Right. I always forget when it is as we don't have it. Already I'm starting to think about Christmas, which is really scary!

Yup--hanging in there! There are busy times and then the quieter times come again when we can devote more time to fannish things. *nods* Still, my 'to do' list, both fannish and otherwise, is looking somewhat daunting. Ah well--cross a few things off a day, and I'll get there...
blowjobs for jesus: bsg Apollokristiinthedark on November 20th, 2006 10:35 pm (UTC)
Still, my 'to do' list, both fannish and otherwise, is looking somewhat daunting.

Oh god, mine too! I'm trying to make my fannish life like real life: one thing at a time, kristi, one thing at a time. But yes! It is quite overwhelming. *clings to you in this time of struggle* ;P
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: bsg kara eeek!bop_radar on November 20th, 2006 11:15 pm (UTC)
Eep! Yes. I agree. Ok, baby steps for us! Baby steps! *clings*