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06 February 2007 @ 03:22 pm
Tuesday musings  
I'm behind on my shows. :-( I only watched last week's Heroes last night, so I may as well save my thoughts for a joint post on both it and this week's ep. And I've got to catch up with Friday Night Lights as well. Five shows is TOO MANY! (Even though I never discuss it, I also watch House.)

I just finished reading A Feast for Crows and am reeling from the blows that fell in the final pages. I spent a lot of time in this book hating Cersei and I was delighted that she got trapped in the cage she built for Margaery (not that I care that much for Margaery either). But dammit, if that moment was not soured somewhat by Cersei's letter to Jaime! At one level, I'm really happy that Cersei has been reduced to begging Jaime for help. But she did so so presumptuously! And this terrible fear gripped me that Jaime might still do it. Please, please, please let his 'burn it' be an indication that he is going to ignore that little request. I doubt it though--all that practising with Ser Ilyn has got to be leading somewhere...

As is probably already apparent, I'm completely smitten with Jaime and no, I didn't find this book as boring as I'd been led to believe. I guess it depends which characters you are invested in--but Jaime and Brienne and Arya are my favourites, so I was invested in their journey in AFFC. It's the damn Wall that bores me--it and Samwell. But at least Sam crossed paths with Arya in this book. The dullest part of this book for me was all the wrangling and politics in the wake of Balon's death. That and the religious movement. But it wasn't unbearable--it just didn't engage me as much as the characters I love.

I do worry about the next book. Daenerys and Tyrion are the only other characters I really care for--the Wall makes me want ragey with boredom and I fear there is going to be an awful lot about it seeing as it was completely excised from this book.

But Brienne! Brienne and Lady Stoneheart! That was one of the most dramatic scenes written in any of the books so far--it terrified me because I could sense where it was heading but I couldn't bear it, and oh, it was, if anything, even worse than I'd expected with them using Pod as bait. And I loved the last line: 'She screamed a word.' WHAT WORD?! *flails* The suspense is going to kill me.

Having read queenofthorns's wonderful long posts on Jaime and Brienne, I reluctantly agree she is probably going to vow to kill Jaime, but if she DOES kill Jaime, I think I might die of pain. *frets* I loved the way we got to revisit so many of their previous interactions through Brienne's eyes in AFFC, and I loved Jaime's passionate defence of her, as well as his movement towards honour in these books. But oh, I worry! And now I've entered the long wait for the next book. I *knew* I had put of reading the rest of this series for a reason! ;-)

And now for something unexpected... Supernatural is a really big show in Australia, so consequently it's much discussed in my office. This is novel for me, since 'fannish' shows are hardly ever big here. For example, today we were having a coffee break and were told to keep it down by the Accounting department when the Dean versus Sam argument got too heated/loud. It's all a little odd to me, though: all these people watch it obsessively and DO NOT SEE THE SLASH. What are they watching for?! *boggles* This confuses me SO MUCH. There's not much to like about the show, imo, but what there IS is all Dean and Sam, right?! There ARE no other characters! And it's solely women watching it (in my office at least), and they talk about how hot the brothers are constantly and yet... no slash. Not even any emo-ing around about what a pity it is that they're brothers. Nada. What's with that?! I have to keep my mouth shut tight in all conversations about that show, not because I dislike it, but because I simply am not watching the same show as them. But what show are THEY watching? Clearly I have been in fandom TOO LONG.

My excuse for using this icon (completely unrelated to post) is that I am still happier than a very happy thing about this week's Smallville.

ETA: I have an excuse for the icon now! *makes big semaphore-like hand signals towards this post from supacat* Just when I thought she'd never write about SV again...
Current Location: work (sadly)
Moonwitch Iconsmoonwitch on February 6th, 2007 05:09 am (UTC)
Wait. Are you telling me that no one's even said a little "sigh, so easy to forget they're brothers"!? WHAT IS WRONG WITH THESE WOMEN? Srsly, you are ttlly right about Supernatural being made for the slash.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lois let's talk about sexbop_radar on February 6th, 2007 05:14 am (UTC)
THAT'S WHAT I'M TELLING YOU!! Are they crazy? Are they missing the slash gene? Are they ALL missing the slash gene?! How can that be? I've waited months thinking that one of these days I'd hear a hint of it, but no. Not a flicker.
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mkitty3: little brother sammkitty3 on February 6th, 2007 05:39 am (UTC)
There's not much to like about the show, imo, but what there IS is all Dean and Sam, right?!

Are you watching this season? Cause this season is made of epic amounts of awesome, imo;) My hubby adores the show and sees zero slash. Hell, they could stick their tongues down each other's throats and hubby would say it was brotherly! LOL I have no problem admitting that I see tons of slash on SV, but I'd feel bad pointing out to co-workers that I ship the Wincest.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Petrellicestbop_radar on February 6th, 2007 05:46 am (UTC)
Hee! Well, I'm a little more forgiving of straight boys not seeing the slash. And yeah, I guess I should feel different about it given it's incest and all, but a) I don't have any siblings so I never really get the big deal about sibling-cest, b) underage-Clex vs. Wincest ... hmm... I think both are a bit dodge! c) it's so BLATANT, damn it!

I'm going to have a REALLY hard time when Heroes gets popular here. *headdesk* It's getting pimped all over town at the moment...

And yes, I have seen bits of this season... I just can't take more than small doses of this show and the dialogue still makes me *lol* and not in a good way. I wish I liked it better, really I do. And also, why don't more people like Sam?!!!! Everyone in my office bar one prefers Dean! WHY?!
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serenography: clexSmserenography on February 6th, 2007 05:51 am (UTC)
I have to echo mkitty's comment a bit - my husband has been watching this season as well and appears to really enjoy it. But I think it's more the REALLY FUNNY humor and the nostalgic 70's and 80's tunes that he likes.

My closest coworker buddies know about my SV obsession (to a certain extent) and they also know I dig the slash. They call it my "hot on hot" thing.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lee gay pornbop_radar on February 6th, 2007 05:56 am (UTC)
Oh, that's interesting--I really haven't met any male fans of the show yet--or even heard of any before this post! I wish I found the humour funny... for me it is like anti-humour, it just kills all the humour in me dead.

I think the issue at my workplace is partly a hierarchy thing. As Senior Ed, I sometimes hang with the chatty, giggly, tv-watching junior eds--that's all well and good, but I'm not sure I'm quite ready to admit my slashy fannish side to them--probably too much pride on my part, but I don't want to lose ALL dignity in their eyes! And my other closest work colleague is my boss and he's, well, a straight guy. Y'know?
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Everywhere and Nowhere: Jared climbs Jensenallzugern on February 6th, 2007 06:00 am (UTC)
I have to keep my mouth shut tight in all conversations about that show, not because I dislike it, but because I simply am not watching the same show as them.

I had that problem with SV. Very popular here, but no one saw the slash. *frowns*

I love spn just for the show, the pretty, obviously meant to fuck, brothers are just an nice extra :-)
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Aishwarya lanternbop_radar on February 6th, 2007 06:44 am (UTC)
Hee! I was asking for trouble mentioning SPN. Now I just feel horrendously weird again for not liking it. This post has confirmed to me that I just don't 'get' that show. The pretty meant-to-fuck brothers are the only thing that could make me watch it--they DO make me watch it infrequently--but not even they can make me hack through the rest. However, it's probably about time I check in again and see how Season 2 is rolling along...
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K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Jamie Bamber smrt is sexybop_radar on February 6th, 2007 09:54 pm (UTC)
You're probably right! I just can't believe that they don't feel it somewhere deep down.
Vicki: Dean by 7timesfatemyownghost on February 6th, 2007 11:45 am (UTC)
it surprised me how much i liked supernatural when i started watching it last fall, as it's not the kind of thing i'd have tried had i not read all the hoopla about it. i haven't caught up on S1 yet (though i have the dvds), but then i'm still stuck on S3 of SV. there's something wrong with me. *g*

i'm also surprised that you think ackles's acting as dean isn't good. i'd never seen him in anything before, and i bought him immediately as dean and find him very involving. it's the darkness behind the snark that i like, actually, and the twisty psychology. maybe i was right that there's something wrong with me -- i haven't noticed the clunky writing you mentioned above! oh, woe.

nah, it's ok. i still don't like it as much as i like SV, so there's not much of my ego invested in it here. ha.
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: DW woebop_radar on February 6th, 2007 09:58 pm (UTC)
I watched most of Season 1 and I saw the start of Season 2 before my attention drifted. I figure it's time to check back in with the show and see how it's going.

Maybe it helps not to have seen Ackles in anything else? I find him highly mannerised as Dean--it's very different from his other roles--but unlike his other roles I'm always conscious of the acting. It's hard to explain but I don't blame Ackles for that really--I blame the writing. The lines are just so clunky that I don't feel the characters are really saying them. They're just reading a script. A bad script! But maybe the writing improved in Season 2? *clutches at straws*

The SPN fandom looks like fun, and, you know, hot brothers--how can that go wrong?!!! But I fear it's just not for me.
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K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Lois searchingbop_radar on February 6th, 2007 10:04 pm (UTC)
I'm sorry! I spammed you with comments! *blush*

I think part of her journey involves learning and making the same choice that Jaime did, which is that vows are not always the same thing as honor. It was honorable to kill Aerys, even if Jaime broke his vow; it's dishonorable to kill Jaime, even if Brienne vowed to do so.
*clings* I hope so, I hope so, and I think you've got a really really strong case there. But I have this image of Martin as someone who does Very Cruel Things to his characters (and readers) and cutting someone off before they complete their journey seems within his range of cruelty. Although deep down, I agree with you. But I will still fret until I read the official outcome! ;-) At least it keeps the suspense up for me!

Brienne makes a vow to the dead, and evil, Catelyn to kill a man she loves in order to save a child Catelyn hates - so this is also why I think the word must be "sword" or "Jaime
Mmmm, yes that makes sense. Dead, evil Catelyn was so chilling so Brienne making her 'dark' vow here works perfectly for the symmetry, as you say.
random_seriousrandom_serious on February 6th, 2007 03:09 pm (UTC)
You're so lucky: Nobody in my office even knows Sam and Dean are alive ;)
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Aishwarya Raibop_radar on February 6th, 2007 10:05 pm (UTC)
It would be fun if they were more on the same page as me. Though judging from the comments above noone is on the same page as me!
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